Mechanical Devices with Energy Gain

[gyula]

Hi aaron5120,

I also use Firefox (v19.0.2) and every video from Netica plays nicely as usual. (Just checked with Internet Explorer (I use Windows 7) and no problem with it.)
This is strange indeed and unfortunately 50% chance you or yourtube have a problem...

Gyula

[Netica]

Force Multiplier Replication

Hi Everyone,

In this video I have the machine running quite fast Fernando's Force Multiplier Replication. Run 3, by netica. Video 4 - YouTube

netica

[aaron5120]

The clips are OK now. I think YT had a problem with them and fixed them later on.

aaron5120

[Aaron]

add the mechanical work

Hi Everyone,

In this video I have the machine running quite fast Fernando's Force Multiplier Replication. Run 3, by netica. Video 4 - YouTube

netica

Great tests! You seem to be the first one brave enough to show the input output tests without playing games.

One Russian video made it look like it was running the input from the output generator with wires all across the ground so you can't see what's up. Another was an American who made a really nice build and don't post results because he is saying he doesn't want to get into trouble with what he found, etc... all games.

Can do you do some ballpark mechanical work measurements on wheels and the vertical weight to add that to the electrical output? That mechanical work is real work done that is not accounted for in the electrical output measurements.

[Netica]

The clips are OK now. I think YT had a problem with them and fixed them later on.

aaron5120

Hi aaron5120,
Good to hear the YT problem has been resolved.

netica

[Netica]

Great tests! You seem to be the first one brave enough to show the input output tests without playing games.

One Russian video made it look like it was running the input from the output generator with wires all across the ground so you can't see what's up. Another was an American who made a really nice build and don't post results because he is saying he doesn't want to get into trouble with what he found, etc... all games.

Can do you do some ballpark mechanical work measurements on wheels and the vertical weight to add that to the electrical output? That mechanical work is real work done that is not accounted for in the electrical output measurements.

Hi Aaron,

Thanks, I've played around with this machine for quite awhile now and I hope others can get something out from what I've done.

I'm not going to be able to do the mechanical tests on it. Its not something I've done before and I haven't got the equipment. Also the arm has broken again and I'm having a break from it now as I have spent so much time on it already.

netica

[Zardox]

Hi Netica
I understand the taking a break part. That is some nice work you have done. It looks like you are able to produce the needed output voltage under certian settings but are lacking on amperage. I am wondering if the vertical arm had a set of magnets passing by a coil or coils to produce additional output.
Love the video's. I think we will all try to patiently wait to see what happens next. Thanks for sharing.

[artoj]

Netica Data

Hi Netica, Nice work on the replication. Try spring steel on the shaft, less problems with breakage and will allow vibrations to be less damped. I have drawn up the data from the video, I hope this helps those who are working on this. Regards Arto

[gotoluc]

Thanks artoj for putting the results together.

Netica, please noticed that the current of the prime mover (motor) went down by 2 amps when you added 3 more disks to the generator side. Maybe if you remove disks from the prime mover side the current may go down more?
We have to keep in mind that Fernando's demo unit the Generator was much larger then the pime mover, so the weight of the generator rotor would account for much of the flywheel weight. On your test unit both motor rotors and generator rotor look the same. So it , maybe worth reducing the flywheel weight on the motor side to see if the current can drop any more.

Thank you for your great replication work and sharing all your tests.

Luc

[Netica]

Hi Netica
I understand the taking a break part. That is some nice work you have done. It looks like you are able to produce the needed output voltage under certian settings but are lacking on amperage. I am wondering if the vertical arm had a set of magnets passing by a coil or coils to produce additional output.
Love the video's. I think we will all try to patiently wait to see what happens next. Thanks for sharing.

Hi Zardox,

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the videos, it may very well be possible to get more energy out of the machine by connecting to it in other ways. I was considering trying to connect something to the main connecting u shape steel piece. I don't know though if it will be any more efficient than the motor connected direct to the generator.
I have tried to set it up like Fernando has as this is how it is shown, anyway I could still be missing something in the set up that I just don't know about or have missed, however I still would have expected to see something more promising from the set up as from what I have seen they were claiming many multiples in force gain.

netica

[Netica]

Hi Netica, Nice work on the replication. Try spring steel on the shaft, less problems with breakage and will allow vibrations to be less damped. I have drawn up the data from the video, I hope this helps those who are working on this. Regards Arto

Hi artoj,

Thank you. Good of you to have put together the data as you have, makes it easy to refer to.
The motor and generator are both dc motors, when I purchased them I was told they came out of old computer tape drives.

The motor nominal power rating is 50v
The generator nominal power rating is 72v

I tried to double the input voltage for each video.
Regarding the RPM, I have done some rough tests with magnet on shaft, coil and see hertz readings, not sure of the accuracy.

unloaded readings for motor on its own nothing connected.
12v - 350 RPM
24v - 690 RPM
48v - 1266 RPM

netica

[Netica]

Thanks artoj for putting the results together.

Netica, please noticed that the current of the prime mover (motor) went down by 2 amps when you added 3 more disks to the generator side. Maybe if you remove disks from the prime mover side the current may go down more?
We have to keep in mind that Fernando's demo unit the Generator was much larger then the pime mover, so the weight of the generator rotor would account for much of the flywheel weight. On your test unit both motor rotors and generator rotor look the same. So it , maybe worth reducing the flywheel weight on the motor side to see if the current can drop any more.

Thank you for your great replication work and sharing all your tests.

Luc

Hi gotoluc,

I understand what you are saying about the generator Fernando is using being so large. I tried many more tests than what is shown in the videos but didn't get anything much better than what I've shown. I have even put uneven weights on the flywheels to see if that would work any better, as in some material I have seen he shows one of the flywheels eccentric with no arm on the machine.
I would have thought that I may have found something but I have been unable to find anything as yet to get excited about.

You are very welcome. Happy to share.

netica

[gotoluc]

Thanks for the reply netica and letting us know you have done many more tests then we can see in your videos.

Did you notice at a certain position each side can start rotating in opposite directions?
In one of Fernando's videos you can see the guy first positions the flywheels then starts the motor and if it doesn't start rotating in the right direction he stops it.

Luc

[Netica]

Thanks for the reply netica and letting us know you have done many more tests then we can see in your videos.

Did you notice at a certain position each side can start rotating in opposite directions?
In one of Fernando's videos you can see the guy first positions the flywheels then starts the motor and if it doesn't start rotating in the right direction he stops it.

Luc

Yes, the side connected to the generator can go in either direction with respect to the direction of the motor side.
As I understand it, the dynamics of having them go in opposite directions is important, and that's how my tests were done.
I also tried running them in the same direction just to see what happens, but again pretty much the same results.

netica

[artoj]

Early Suggestions

Hi all, Good work Netica, the only problem will be there will be no net gain in the basic design, it has only an impulse gain, not a continuous rotary gain, in my early diagrams I tried to point this out.

refer my post
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post206708

The impulse is lost when you have a rigid connection to the other flywheel, think of it more like a loose coupling in a resonant system such as a Tesla coil.

I have also mentioned this before.

Refer to Post
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post206753

Also here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post206765

Also here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post206863

This link I have a formula for the vibrating arm, clear and usable information to improve the vibration.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post207133

I can only offer my answers to help solve the lack of results, I know nobody will gets good results until these measures are taken. It is not my opinion in these matters but an engineering reality of rotating machinery.

I hope my suggestions in the use of a spring steel arm, with a variable mass height and weight according to the resonant equation will also improve the action as well. If you have any problems understanding sprag clutch bearings let me know, Regards Arto