Mechanical Devices with Energy Gain

[Peter Lindemann]

Hi Everybody,

This new thread is for the discussion of anyone's design for a mechanical device that can take the torque of a mechanical input and output it at the same speed with a torque increase.

Any designs that propose how to do this using purely mechanical means, or with assists from permanent magnets, gravity, centrifugal force, or any other Process of Nature that does not require the operator to expend extra energy as an input, are welcome for discussion.

As an example, here is the photograph of a machine designed by Jim Murray that is claimed to "double the torque" of any electric motor attached to it.



I will propose what I believe to be the method as I am able.

Peter

[ekpod]

One or two possibilities,

The small torque electric motor attaches to a gearshaft and weight. The weight is built onto a swing arm such that the motor will generate a pendulum effect when it is running, progressively launching it back and forth upwards to a greater degree each time in order to drive a piston.

There are positioned a repeller and attractor magnet on a small wheel. There is a large magnetic rotor geared into spinning it quickly in order to attract the oncoming magnetic force, then repel it from behind with the gained momentum. Perhaps this would not need a motor drive in order to produce motion.

[Rubberband]

To i_ron

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Originally Posted by i_ron
Stealth,

I am not a newbie, rather a retired machinist, a master builder. Some of my projects...

rohndoe's channel - YouTube

I have worked with other inventors and have had COP 3 devices. My Ramos replication has had over 1000 views. It would not take much on your part to indicate a new direction for me. You have made the claims, I am prepared to follow up on them.

Ron

Hello Ron, I've enjoyed watching your videos. Your work is excellent, and I was wondering if you have ever worked with pendulum controlled swing weights as shown in my video here....

Title07.mpg - YouTube

I saw your work with your reversing switch one, mine uses spring controlled advancing wheel, like the centrificals in an old style ignition distributer. My life, has kept me from being able to build it in only the manner shown in the video. Please let me know here if you would like more info, as to build it. Thanks, Wally

[spiner]

I think that the key in all this mechanical systems is to design a mechanism that converts centrifugal force in work. Milkovic systems , sixto ramos system... both has centrifugal force, if they can make overunity it will due because can extract energy from centrifugal force.

Stefan Marinov wrote about it and made the easy maths on how centrifugal force can produce energy, his paper is: "generation of free momentum and free energy by the help of centrifugal forces"

Generation of free momentum of free energy by the help of centrifugal forces

Stefan Marinov maths are easy, centrifugal force is a real source of free energy.

Gravitsapa by Valery Menshikov is a inertal propulsion system that was installed in Russian satellite "Yubileiny"
Êóçíåöîâ Äìèòðèé Þðüåâè÷. Gravitsapa
In pravda it is said that this system is a perpetuum mobile

Russian scientists test perpetual motion machine in space - English pravda.ru

[spiner]

Hi Everybody,

This new thread is for the discussion of anyone's design for a mechanical device that can take the torque of a mechanical input and output it at the same speed with a torque increase.

Any designs that propose how to do this using purely mechanical means, or with assists from permanent magnets, gravity, centrifugal force, or any other Process of Nature that does not require the operator to expend extra energy as an input, are welcome for discussion.

As an example, here is the photograph of a machine designed by Jim Murray that is claimed to "double the torque" of any electric motor attached to it.



I will propose what I believe to be the method as I am able.

Peter

Peter, I have never seen that system, where is more information about it?

[i_ron]

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Originally Posted by i_ron
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Hello Ron, I've enjoyed watching your videos. Your work is excellent, and I was wondering if you have ever worked with pendulum controlled swing weights as shown in my video here....

Title07.mpg - YouTube

I saw your work with your reversing switch one, mine uses spring controlled advancing wheel, like the centrificals in an old style ignition distributer. My life, has kept me from being able to build it in only the manner shown in the video. Please let me know here if you would like more info, as to build it. Thanks, Wally

Wally,

Thanks for the interest. I have tried some of these devices and what I found was friction takes to big a toll. I am afraid that will happen with yours also.

You can prove me wrong of course, lol

Ron

[Rubberband]

Thanks.....

Wally,

Thanks for the interest. I have tried some of these devices and what I found was friction takes to big a toll. I am afraid that will happen with yours also.

You can prove me wrong of course, lol

Ron
Ok, maybe someday I will get to try it, your work on your videos really impressed me. Do you have any videos of the work you did in this type of devices?, I'd to see what you did.....did any of yours use the screw lever principle too?

[i_ron]

Ron
Ok, maybe someday I will get to try it, your work on your videos really impressed me. Do you have any videos of the work you did in this type of devices?, I'd to see what you did.....did any of yours use the screw lever principle too?

Wally,

Not all of my videos are still up, couple of good ones just disappeared, however short answer to your question, no.

Ron

[i_ron]

Hi Everybody,

This new thread is for the discussion of anyone's design for a mechanical device that can take the torque of a mechanical input and output it at the same speed with a torque increase.

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Peter

Thanks Peter for starting this forum. As I mentioned before I am quite interested in the work of ---

Felix Wurth

living energy machine - YouTube

And of course, George Constantinesco's torque converter (Fig 16)

George Constantinesco: Inertial Transmission (US Patent 1591471 etc)

So now we can add Murry and Ucross to the list---

UCROS ENERGIES OF THE NEW RENEWABLE ENERGY CYCLE ELECTRICAL - ENGLISH

Ron

[artoj]

Ucros Drive

Hi everybody, Thanks Peter for starting a new forum thread for these type of machines. Good to see original ideas Stealth. I have added a pic on the UCROS device, I hope it helps. Regards Arto

[vrand]

I had about 20 minutes free time today, so I sat down and drew a rough sketch of the v.1 as I had promised.

Thank you for taking the time to post your interesting energy gain design. Any thoughts of selling devices that can power a home electrical needs?
Cheers

[Peter Lindemann]

Thank You for Sharing

I had about 20 minutes free time today, so I sat down and drew a rough sketch of the v.1 as I had promised. It has some design flaws, which are evident, which v.2 corrects and also v.2 has double the RPM as well as increases torque. Also v.2 eliminates some of the components while making major improvements on the design. This design is being open sourced, just to show the working principle of the apparatus. V.2 and v.3 are being withheld for possible future release. I designed this about 10 years ago and built a prototype to prove that the design works. This drawing is not to scale, but is only an attempt to convey the actual working design. Much can and has been done with this same principle, by myself, to really take it to another level. I am the owner of this design and other variations of this design, but you can use it to help improve the function of your machines or devices. Good Luck. stealth

Dear Stealth,

Thank you for sharing this design. It's quite interesting. At this point, I'm not sure exactly how it works. Would you be willing to offer your explanation of it's structure and operation, as well as why you believe it produces a multiplication of torque. I know everyone here in the thread would appreciate that a great deal.

Thanks,
Peter

[i_ron]

Ucros

Hi everybody, Thanks Peter for starting a new forum thread for these type of machines. Good to see original ideas Stealth. I have added a pic on the UCROS device, I hope it helps. Regards Arto

Thanks Arto,

I see in most of his animations that the crank bearing is on the same side as the counter weight, does this make a difference?

Ron

[artoj]

First drawing

Thanks Ron, I am glad you pointed this out, This will be in my next drawing and sequences. These pics are related to Sixto's design and a few others types as well.

The geometry I use has multiple overlays to harmonic, pyramid, Phi, Fibonacci relationships, so sometimes I find correlations to ancient pictorial art.

This forum has allowed me to expose these forms to open minded engineers, my research has unearthed some engineering principles hidden within hieroglyphs and art from many ancient cultures(pre 3000 BC). I figure if all of you can see the core of this type of sacred geometry and that it is more than pretty pictures that decorate the walls of ancient temples then I know I have found some parts of the hidden scientific language from antiquity. Thanks, regards Arto.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

My musing on this

Thanks Ron, I am glad you pointed this out, This will be in my next drawing and sequences. These pics are related to Sixto's design and a few others types as well.

The geometry I use has multiple overlays to harmonic, pyramid, Phi, Fibonacci relationships, so sometimes I find correlations to ancient pictorial art.

This forum has allowed me to expose these forms to open minded engineers, my research has unearthed some engineering principles hidden within hieroglyphs and art from many ancient cultures(pre 3000 BC). I figure if all of you can see the core of this type of sacred geometry and that it is more than pretty pictures that decorate the walls of ancient temples then I know I have found some parts of the hidden scientific language from antiquity. Thanks, regards Arto.

Hi Arto, well done as always.

As you have shown here there would be no gain as far as I can see, the pros and cons balance one another out. Now if the fulcrum point of the balance beam was moved to give more positive leverage and the eccentric distance moved on the other side to create the correct start and 360 degree final point equal on both sides, as in Sexto Ramos, then there maybe something!!!

As it is there is a balance to each side apart from the sine wave that is produced "oscillation" as you have shown in your graph.

This brings me to the post I made on the Ramos thread of the connecting rod being a sealed piston that stores and gives up energy at the moments that are required, as like a smoothing capacitor in electronics, but here charges and discharges fully each revolution.

The piston is a sealed piston which when in it's static position it neither has pressure or vacuum in it, and different gases could be tested for suitability, those gases that change rapidly from liquid to gas and vice versa, I would think would be the best candidates "just musing again".

Mike