Mechanical Devices with Energy Gain

[Matthew Jones]

...Yes, gravity is a conservative force. So, it it useless. Period? But what if we can change the geometry (topology) of the device while running?...
Very Best,
Jean

Gravity is useless?, that doesn't make any sense if thats what your saying. It can very well be an environmental input of energy, to assist in the accumulation of energy.

Milkovic 2 stage Oscillator

Do you mean its useless on its own?

Matt

[Aaron]

gravitational potential energy

Yes, gravity is a conservative force. So, it it useless. Period?

There is only full dissipation (no conservation), a re-establishment of a dipole (potential difference), NEW potential enters to do work (not conserved), that dissipates and the dissipative process itself re-establishes a new dipole so NEW potential enters does work, dissipates and dissipative process establishes new dipole, etc... repeat. No such thing as conservative forces in nature.

Gravitational Potential Energy

[tagor]

Ay, caramba , maybe he should have built a smaller one first because that thing is a monster.

yes he has build a smaller one with an engineer " art et metier"
but they was thinking that this one was working !!

PS : the big one = 20000$

[VacuumEnergyMan]

I studied the thermodynamic cycles of steam rankine power cycles in college. Efficiencies were never higher than say 40%. The problem was you could increase efficiency at the expense of power, as your temperature difference lessens between hot and cold reservoirs, as the piston(s) does work. COmbustion engines are a good example of poor efficiency but lots of power (the time rate of doing work). Hate to burst bubbles, but I think we are dead in the water trying to find overunity in classical thermodynamic systems.

[DaS Energy]

Hello VacuumEnergyMan,

Absolutely agree with you requarding Steam and Combustion.

However our work with Carbon Dioxide shows that cave man style boiling water and combustion realy are a joke gone on for too long.

We know that CO2 at 100* Celsius has in excess of 7,000 bar working pressure. Utilising a heat differential of 60*C to 100*C.

Pitting that force against one litre of water 560 Kw of electricty is generated. (Francis Hydroturbine)

What we dont know is will 560 Kw electricty be enough to in one second heat one litre of CO2 from 60*C to 100*C.

Perhaps some bright spark can help out on that one.

Cheers Peter:

[Aaron]

no bubbles bursting

I think we are dead in the water trying to find overunity in classical thermodynamic systems.

Classical thermodynamics doesn't even cover these non-equilibrium systems like the Veljko oscillator, etc... so I think we're doing just fine.

[PhysicsProf]

The problem I have right now is, that I designed and protoyped this 10 years ago or so. The prototype was only built to prove that the principle works. Once I tested the principle, I cannibalized the prototype. I am not sure if any of it exists today or not. If I can find any remnant of it, I can revive it. If not, then I will have to build another, but not of V.1, I would build either V.2 or V.3. V.2 is only a more advanced version of V.1, I know that it would work as well. V.3 has not been prototyped or tested. I would have to build it to test its parameters. Although the theories are sound, sometimes in a real world situation, things don't always adhere to a projected theory. After years of doing R&R, I have found that many times things don't work out like they were designed. Many inventors and experiments have either given up or lost interest and drive after having many dissapointing failures. When you are encountering new and uncharted areas of exploration, you have neither a guide or direction, other than possibly intuition and inspiration. Edison tried hundred of times to invent the simple light bulb. I am unprepared to build one at the moment. Hopefully, soon I will be prepared to start a build. Good Luck. Stealth

Are you still around, Stealth? I'm hoping you will tell us what you learn from your builds. I like your approach and attitude!

[PhysicsProf]

Stealth -- thanks for the reply and for your work.
"When I have made more progress, I will report back and show results. Good Luck. stealth"

Great! looking forward to your report.

[NerzhDishual]

Demad d'an Oll !

About the 'uselessness' of gravity, I was just parroting the "Official Version". Did I not, in my previous post, put a question mark after "Period"?

Actually, I'm a strong "believer" in "Over Unity".

Yes, "Over Unity" is an oxymoron!
'COP > 1' is more precise but less "provocative".
'COP > 1' just let think about fridges and heat pumps. No?

"Over Unity" is more politically correct than "perpetual motion"
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...lindemann.html


Yes, 'belief' is not Science. But I'm not a scientist.

I hope that Prof. Jones and his family are doing well.

So, Tagor - another $^3$*- Frenchman, is also a member of this very forum? Mes salutations et mes meilleurs sentiments à Tagor.

Very Brest,
Jean

[tagor]

So, Tagor - another $^3$*- Frenchman, is also a member of this very forum? Mes salutations et mes meilleurs sentiments à Tagor.

Very Brest,
Jean

salut Jean

cela fait pas mal de temps que je suis sur ce forum
c'est beaucoup plus calme que sur ou.com !

dan

[i_ron]

Ramos Machine

Antonio,

Originally Posted by Antonio90
Hi..Thank you for your message.. I doing good ..I had not time..her with Ramos dives I am testing and construction big one and small one..I will update with photo and drawing for you.but need same time ..we working with CNC and put out nice dives for use. B.R Antonio

Ron

Any news yet, Antonio?

Ron

[Danny B]

I have a question regarding rotating mass. Some builders use sectors and some use full circles.
Sectors;
Pete Sumerac, Ukros, Milkovic, Terawatt, Chalkalis, and primitive
New Balanced Design - 3225% Efficient - YouTube
There are also various pendulum devices. JB has one.

Full circle weights are common.
Jim Watson, Chas Campbell, Bedini G-Field and many others.
Jose Zapata likely has a flywheel.

Sixto Ramos seems to have a fusion of the two.
Is there an advantage to a sector over a disc?
Does the Aspden effect affect a pendulum?

Ukros put a lot of money into his build. He'll never sell it without somebody putting a meter on it. Why go to the extra expense of using sectors?
Terawatt is even more convincing.
What's the verdict?

[NerzhDishual]

"What's the verdict?"
Sorry, for my part. No verdic.
These devices are impossible.
These devices exist.
So?

Off Topic Post?

Hi Tagor,

Sorry: yet another very delayed answer (YAVDA).

I agree with you. This very forum is far more "peaceful" as, probably, more associated with a lot of knowledgeable and eminent persons while not infested by some double-edged individuals... Skeptic or not skeptic? I will drop no name.

Now#1, and this might be "In Topic":
I have purchased an "Arduino". This is a mere tool.
As a retired programmer I would not be too lost.
BTW, googling: Arduino and Over Unity could be useful.

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Now#2: "In Topic" too ?
What about "Mechanical devices with energy gain"
versus
"Electronical devices with the same effect"?

Please have a look at "THEORY OF WAVE TRANSMISSION" - GEORGE CONSTANTINESCO
This Pdf book can -for ex- be found here:
http://freenrg.info/GEORGE_CONSTANTI..._Wave_Tran.pdf

Just wandering through this book, would you amazingly see all the famous formulea using "C" and "L" applied to mechanical devices!

OK! I'm not a scientist and a lot of all these kinda Maths-stuffs are over my old head...

Anyway, it appears that "They" do not want us to catch the whole (finally simple?) picture.

This whole (synthetic) picture would be that Nature is "unified" and that we do not need to be so specialized.
IMO, specialization (analytic) is an huge trap. An Ego trap, indeed, but also a fatal trampoline to the gloomy pit
of misunderstanding. Sorry for my English.
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This old (Dunod, 1943 - 167 pages) French book "Mécanismes biologiques : de l'atome à l'être vivant"
G. Laville, is, precisely about synthetic view of (Real) Science.

Very Best,
Jean

[i_ron]

no news?

Hi..Thank you for your message.. I doing good ..I had not time..her with Ramos dives I am testing and construction big one and small one..I will update with photo and drawing for you.but need same time ..we working with CNC and put out nice dives for use. B.R Antonio

Hi Antonio,

Still waiting for an update, does it work?

Ron

[i_ron]

Same old same old

Hi Antonio,

Still waiting for an update, does it work?

Ron

I guess not! Here it is the end of the year and no visible working replications of the Ramos, Ucros or Mikhail Wheel.

Ramos is supposed to have gone into production, does it take 6 months to connect a motor to a generator?

Ucros is in production --- just send in your 7,000 dollars and one will be shipped to you. yet not one measured working example shown.

Mikhail's wheel is on hold waiting for version 12, small enough to fit in a car trunk, really?

Still, nice to dream, have a Happy New Year

Ron