Motionless Electromagnetic Generator

[FuzzyElectricity]

Hi

I am very interested in Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG) and I am very keen to carry out test on this technology.

First I would like to ask any of you have carried out test on MEG because I am curious about the number of turn on the primary and secondary coils respectively.

Secondly have any of you applied constant DC voltage, AC voltage or DC voltage pulse (at what frequency / PWM ratio?) to the MEG.

Thirdly have any of you seen any difference when running with and without magnet?

I look forward to hear from you.

FuzzyElectricity

[GSM]

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Looks like an inverted MEG !

[wayne.ct]

MEG History & Development

YouTube suggested this video to me and I had not seen it before. Plus, it is over a year old, which was an interesting fact on its own. How did I miss it?

Then, I come back here and the MEG has hardly been a matter of discussion for two years or more? I am feeling shocked! I can hardly believe it.

Notice the claim that they are getting a COP of about 2. Maybe that doesn't impress the rest of you, but it got my attention. I'll let you watch the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no50_5iSr2Y

If the link does not work, the title is MEG Demo and was posted by Lee Kenny.

One more thought: the flux-switching aspect is related to what happens in Thane's Bi-toroid transformer, BiTT. That thought should stimulate some interest.

[BroMikey]

Interest?

Absolutely. More than interest. They are similar except for the magnets.

The split flux paths with coils switching with sine wave high frequency. Coils collecting BEMF.

Same Same.

The BiTT is less complicated not having the magnet to deal with as it must be additionally tailored to suit the material and modulations.

That one extra variable in the form of a magnet could set the experimenter back years trying to tune it. As we saw in the video these men said they worked on it since 1996 probably 4 or 5 men taking pay checked at 100,000 dollars per year. Coming in day in and day out collecting data.

They spent 8.9 million dollars between pay roll and setup costs.

Great experiment if you have years to discover it. The BiTT is a tiny less trouble I'de say. Notice how these men never show a working model?

They worked for 18 years spending millions and they can not show a working model. Just a sale pitch without a working model smells like a rat.

Thane gave a working demonstration and the investors are chasing him.

Mike


Mike

YouTube suggested this video to me and I had not seen it before. Plus, it is over a year old, which was an interesting fact on its own. How did I miss it?

Then, I come back here and the MEG has hardly been a matter of discussion for two years or more? I am feeling shocked! I can hardly believe it.

Notice the claim that they are getting a COP of about 2. Maybe that doesn't impress the rest of you, but it got my attention. I'll let you watch the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no50_5iSr2Y

If the link does not work, the title is MEG Demo and was posted by Lee Kenny.

One more thought: the flux-switching aspect is related to what happens in Thane's Bi-toroid transformer, BiTT. That thought should stimulate some interest.

[sprocket]

$8.9 millions... 1 year... - there is another video where Bearden (if memory serves!) mentions a figure of $6,000,000 needed for further development, so despite NO evident development having taken place in the interim, predicted development costs have increased by a third!!! Also in a Bearden video, he waffles incoherently about why it is so difficult to produce a working MEG prototype - in complete contrast to what the guys in this video are implying!

In the meantime, Bearden's crew have a bundle of patents that have stopped anyone else from commercialising on this technology for more than 10 years, while also demanding that in order to even proceed with further development, they need $10,000,000 - seems more like an extortion ploy than a serious attempt at finding funding. Why have they not gone the crowd-funding route if they are even vaguely serious about this?

Metglass cores are expensive, but $10,000,000 needed? I don't think so.

[Bob Smith]

There's an informative article on the MEG attached to this post:
http://www.overunity.com/14614/the-b...826/#msg401826
Bob

[tachyon]

how stupid is this even induction is the result of motion... every electromagnetic interaction is the result from motion of the flux lines.

[Ted Ewert]

The reason this device is not being discussed is because it does not work! Contrary to the common belief that a mere change in flux through the core of a coil will produce electricity, it has been found that something else is needed.
It is my personal belief, which has been formed through countless hours of experimentation, that induction only occurs when E and I are out of phase. When E and I are out of phase, I also believe that B and H are out of phase. A permanent magnet (while not moving with respect to the load coil) produces flux where B and H are always "in phase". Consequently, you can switch this flux all day through any coil and never see a microwatt of power (believe me, I've tried it a hundred different ways!).
If anyone has discovered how to shift the phase of permanent magnet flux, without moving the magnet, I'd love to hear about it. As far as I can tell, this is the only way a MEG type device will produce power.

[BroMikey]

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Hi Ted

It works but how well is the question. Here is the same thing. A bit over simplified but this one makes 1Volt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTowOHDeB5Y




Mike

The reason this device is not being discussed is because it does not work! Contrary to the common belief that a mere change in flux through the core of a coil will produce electricity, it has been found that something else is needed.
It is my personal belief, which has been formed through countless hours of experimentation, that induction only occurs when E and I are out of phase. When E and I are out of phase, I also believe that B and H are out of phase. A permanent magnet (while not moving with respect to the load coil) produces flux where B and H are always "in phase". Consequently, you can switch this flux all day through any coil and never see a microwatt of power (believe me, I've tried it a hundred different ways!).
If anyone has discovered how to shift the phase of permanent magnet flux, without moving the magnet, I'd love to hear about it. As far as I can tell, this is the only way a MEG type device will produce power.

[wayne.ct]

Interesting claims and counter-claims... Indeed!

Thanks for your comments, all of them! Of course, I have to say that all the statements and theories are just out there for consideration. Without doing some experiments yourself, or travelling all over the place to talk to experimenters and see their stuff actually working, what do you really have? And, sorry Ted, but saying that such and such does not work only means that your experiments and versions don't work. That does not prove that it is impossible for it to have worked for someone else. How do you convince me that you did everything exactly right?

So, the secret is still safely kept hidden from anyone who would like to replicate the anomalous result.

The principle of the thing seems pretty clear and Bearden's paper shows the theoretical engineering principles. The one video showed some of the devices created along the way, but did not show them in operation. In short, there are too many variables to adjust considering the amount of information given. If it could be boiled down to one or two adjustments to account for construction variations, more builders might give it a try.

I'm still building mine.

[Ted Ewert]

And, sorry Ted, but saying that such and such does not work only means that your experiments and versions don't work. That does not prove that it is impossible for it to have worked for someone else. How do you convince me that you did everything exactly right?

I'm not saying it's impossible, only that simply switching flux from a permanent magnet through a coil doesn't produce anything. The switching part is easy, and I've developed several tests to prove it works.
When Faraday said that merely changing flux within the core of a coil will produce electricity, he was only partially correct. I've found induction only works when the voltage and the current are out of phase, which is always with an ac signal through an inductor.
A permanent magnet is not a coil and does not work the same way. This little fact took me a long time to realize, and is at the heart of this device. If you can find a way to change the phase of the B and the H field (such as moving the magnet) you'll get all the power you want.
I'm not demanding that anyone believe me either. By all means try it for yourself and see the results.
Nevertheless, you have to ask yourself why so many people have tried to make this relatively simple device work without success.

[tachyon]

are there still people that think magnetic flux and magnetic density are two different things?? the only way to defeat lenz law is with the fringe lines..get it? fringe science fringe lines lol fringe lines are real!
H and B is the same it's stupid to think one is different like saying a wheel and a steering wheel aren't circular

every device that involves manipulating the core inductance simply damnright fails hard because things evolve in a 2D manner every coil to coil interaction is 2D it's like trying to break through a wall with your head the wall pushes back

[tachyon]

how is this circular thing that has has cylinder magnets rolling around called I want to see if it works

[kEhYo77]

Hi Ted

It works but how well is the question. Here is the same thing. A bit over simplified but this one makes 1Volt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTowOHDeB5Y




Mike

I consider this a fake. There is no way that the flux from those HDD magnets go through the core sections, where those coils are wound. Anyone, who handled those specific magnets knows, that their poles are magnetized adjacent to one another. You've got two poles on each flat surface. So the flux on one side is 'bridged' by mu-metal plate in original HDD mechanism. The same thing applies here - the flux is concentrated above and below the permanent HDD magnet and saturates the core no more than the length of its thickness.

[BroMikey]

Silly Stupid working models

Tricked again All fake huh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXoZ3Uk0vyY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdLA4w3w58

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1l3Fzp1rLw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKX9Om7Z4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKdgweo0vo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBoAvTWO6p4




I guess there is no power in a magnet.

Whats the difference here? These are triggered mechanically. We want motionless.

Mike

I consider this a fake. There is no way that the flux from those HDD magnets go through the core sections, where those coils are wound. Anyone, who handled those specific magnets knows, that their poles are magnetized adjacent to one another. You've got two poles on each flat surface. So the flux on one side is 'bridged' by mu-metal plate in original HDD mechanism. The same thing applies here - the flux is concentrated above and below the permanent HDD magnet and saturates the core no more than the length of its thickness.