Tesla Science Center at Wardenclyffe deal Struck

[RAMSET]

Completely clueless

Mbrownn
When people get to that museum and begin to grasp what once stood at that location as well as the monsterous earth anchor built into the Huge aquafier below grade.there will definately be some explaining to do.

Most people that Grew up right in that area are completely Clueless about its significance.[like myself].

The way things are going ,I believe Tesla will soon get a lot more recognition ,and it is good the site has been saved.

Thx
Chet

[mbrownn]

Selling science

To make the museum successful, it not only has to be interesting to the few but to many, especially children. There are many cheap gadgets such as Plasma (Telsa) balls that could be sold for profit at a gift shop. There could be self assembly science kits, Tesla coils and replica Tesla induction motors for sale, even mechanical resonators and spinning eggs.

Live demonstrations of a large Tesla coil and a man in a Faraday cage would be popular too. Maybe one of the owners of such a large coil would be interested in demonstrating at the site on a weekly basis. Lets face it Tesla was a showman so all we have to do is follow his lead.

There could be someone giving Tesla lectures, dressed up as Tesla. Fluorescent and neon light shows and even remote control demonstrations.

A harder but still viable proposition could be getting university sponsorship with a real science lab for university students on site. Imagine what would happen if Eric Dollard was allowed to mentor the best young scientists from university.

It would be sort of a theme park but with real science going on behind it.

That is how I imagine it anyway.

[Tenaus]

To make the museum successful, it not only has to be interesting to the few but to many, especially children. There are many cheap gadgets such as Plasma (Telsa) balls that could be sold for profit at a gift shop. There could be self assembly science kits, Tesla coils and replica Tesla induction motors for sale, even mechanical resonators and spinning eggs.

Live demonstrations of a large Tesla coil and a man in a Faraday cage would be popular too. Maybe one of the owners of such a large coil would be interested in demonstrating at the site on a weekly basis. Lets face it Tesla was a showman so all we have to do is follow his lead.

There could be someone giving Tesla lectures, dressed up as Tesla. Fluorescent and neon light shows and even remote control demonstrations.

A harder but still viable proposition could be getting university sponsorship with a real science lab for university students on site. Imagine what would happen if Eric Dollard was allowed to mentor the best young scientists from university.

It would be sort of a theme park but with real science going on behind it.

That is how I imagine it anyway.

Sounds like a billion dollar corporate leap or government sponsored show rather than a crowd funded science center.

Still, this would be really awesome.

[mbrownn]

Sounds like a billion dollar corporate leap or government sponsored show rather than a crowd funded science center.

Still, this would be really awesome.

Of course its a sales pitch.

This does not mean we cannot aim for something like that. I have seen a privately funded engineering museum which is excellent but because the funding was so small they could only power up one steam engine once per month when someone donated some coal for the boiler. The exhibits were polished and slowly being restored by volunteers. the only thing they lacked was a good business plan and someone to sell it.

I am sure that there will be someone who will put the effort in for free to make a good sales pitch. I could even help a little from half a world away by emailing universities etc. I know that they must have a good business plan or they would not have been successful in raising the money they did and I'm sure they have a plan for the future too.

Maybe we should take a little time to contact them and offer our skills asking how we can help.

If enough people contact universities asking them to consider a course being run at the site, it will happen. If they think it is popular and they can sell it they will do it.

Its the same with every aspect that I mentioned. We tell the people we want to get involved, how to make money out of it and if the maths add up they will try to do it.

Charity only can take it so far, It is money that will do the rest. To bring the money in we have to create the demand. Creating the demand takes numbers of people asking for it and telling others to ask for it, and asking costs nothing.

Imagine an engineer, instead of having a degree from the university of agricultural mammary, he could have one from the Tesla science laboratory.

Sorry for the sales pitch again

[Slider2732]

Nothing wong with being fired up about the possibilities Mike

To add, my view goes like this for the main building, the tower itself would be some way down the line :
Enthusiasm goes so far and in some ways there's little achievable except consensus of our opinions here, if we don't contact the new owners. So that has to happen.
A Forum needs to appear for ideas...if indeed it is to be an open ideas venture.
Some of us need to join it and point to the active link here for discussion, as well as probable postings on other alternative energies forums.
One idea is the main fabricating area can show Tesla's life in short update years, with the inventions that were derived at that time...including working models as the visitor moves along the timeline. Lot's of "oh I didn't know that" to be heard
A gift shop, of course, with a turn of the 20th century theme on the left, 21st century on the right.
'Step Up' levels (multiple meanings) denoting a wish to pursue the technologies in incremental steps, as a body of coursework, or to be taken individually within the persons interests. Lecture evening classes and demonstrations about rhe various technologies. At least a certificate award but hopefully degree level accreditations for Resume's/Curriculum Vitae's.
Monthly meetings at the New Yorker for all interested, to discuss direction.
A projects room within the main building called 'Room 3327', the Area 51 of science !
"Channel 27 News is receiving reports of a zany invention again from the team at Room 3327 of the Tesla Museum in New York. They say they have a way to wirelessly collect rainwater from over the heads of depressed people and transport it to Africa. Our reporter Josh Gates is on the scene...Josh can you tell us more ?"
In time, with an accredited team of ability, the stamp of 'Endorsed by the Nikola Tesla Museum' can appear on innovative products designed and built globally, by small companies or individuals. It wouldn't just be a throw away tacky gimmick, but have to meet pertinent criteria.
Live streaming of the renovations.
Permanent security web based monitoring via streamed webcams. Manned by all who have an interest in protecting the building using their own worldwide PC's (an idea for business security I had in the 90's. I believe such a system exists nowadays).
Schools should have 1 trip per year to the place, mandatory and written in to the Constitution lol
David Bowie should do the ribbon cutting on opening day, due to his excellent performance in the film 'The Prestige', playing Tesla.

[Web000x]

Dave
I would be more than happy to meet with the people at the site.[meeting with people is what I do ].
What I would need to know is ,How you would market this to the museum? ,first impressions are lasting.

A short sweet powerful "pitch" ,that would educate the listener to the obvious potential of such an arrangement.
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I believe a few other things would need to be discussed first?

I can be reached at Chetkremens@gmail.com

Thx
Chet

I spoke to Eric about the Idea of being involved in the Tesla museum, and he liked the idea. The only conditions that he has for helping is that he gets to build something that works such as a REAL Tesla Coil, or Cosmic Induction Generator, none of the 'popular' Tesla Coils of today. He would also like to be involved in making sure all the historical electrical components used by Tesla are accurately describe in how they were used.

As far as a sales pitch goes, I wouldn't know where to start because it is really hard to grasp the significance of Eric Dollard's teachings in a 'short and sweet' sales pitch. His explanation of electricity is so in depth that it takes more than 30 minutes to convey the simplified beauty of his Four Quadrant Theory. I think the best way to convey to the museum operators the significance of Eric would be to select some key points from the old videos available online from Borderland Sciences. These videos could be corroborated by selecting some of dR-Green's very well documented info from his experiments with the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter which is based on Eric's formula's that were derived from Tesla's Colorodo Springs Notes. I think that the most important points to get across to the museum operators is the superluminal velocities measured in the oscillating Tesla Coil's, the very low attenuation of signals transmitted by properly build Tesla Coils, and the single wire transmission path of the secondary coil which lights incandescent bulbs such as can be seen here, work by dR-Green:



Some good video clips that might be useful in swaying opinions:

• Eric measuring the superluminal velocity of a free oscillating coil - Tesla Transverse and Longitudinal Electric Waves - 11:10
• Eric showing the difference between the TEM wave and the LMD wave transmission elements - Tesla Transverse and Longitudinal Electric Waves - 18:30
• Eric showing the difference between conventional currents and longitudinal currents in light bulbs - Eric Dollard Peter Lindemann Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - 17:00

Eric Dollard Peter Lindemann Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - YouTube

Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves

Anybody else have any ideas about short and sweet sales pitch to get Eric on board with the museum?



Dave

[RAMSET]

Good to know

Dave
At the very least " a Possibility"?

I will do a drive by next week [maybe this week end] and see what info has been posted at the location , as well as find out what the "theme" is to be there.and the extent of the proposed Venues scientific involvement.
Perhaps they are looking for historical consultants/experts and such to assist in proper authentic replication of Tesla's Tech.

It will even be a good excuse to stop and see my Buddy who grew up with Stanfords grandson and perhaps set up a meeting there
for any Plans and such that might still be around [I know my friend showed me some old Drawings of the site last year]

Who Knows ,This could be a really good Start?

Nothing ventured nothing gained.....
Chet

[mbrownn]

Nothing wong with being fired up about the possibilities Mike

To add, my view goes like this for the main building, the tower itself would be some way down the line :
Enthusiasm goes so far and in some ways there's little achievable except consensus of our opinions here, if we don't contact the new owners. So that has to happen.
A Forum needs to appear for ideas...if indeed it is to be an open ideas venture.
Some of us need to join it and point to the active link here for discussion, as well as probable postings on other alternative energies forums.
One idea is the main fabricating area can show Tesla's life in short update years, with the inventions that were derived at that time...including working models as the visitor moves along the timeline. Lot's of "oh I didn't know that" to be heard
A gift shop, of course, with a turn of the 20th century theme on the left, 21st century on the right.
'Step Up' levels (multiple meanings) denoting a wish to pursue the technologies in incremental steps, as a body of coursework, or to be taken individually within the persons interests. Lecture evening classes and demonstrations about rhe various technologies. At least a certificate award but hopefully degree level accreditations for Resume's/Curriculum Vitae's.
Monthly meetings at the New Yorker for all interested, to discuss direction.
A projects room within the main building called 'Room 3327', the Area 51 of science !
"Channel 27 News is receiving reports of a zany invention again from the team at Room 3327 of the Tesla Museum in New York. They say they have a way to wirelessly collect rainwater from over the heads of depressed people and transport it to Africa. Our reporter Josh Gates is on the scene...Josh can you tell us more ?"
In time, with an accredited team of ability, the stamp of 'Endorsed by the Nikola Tesla Museum' can appear on innovative products designed and built globally, by small companies or individuals. It wouldn't just be a throw away tacky gimmick, but have to meet pertinent criteria.
Live streaming of the renovations.
Permanent security web based monitoring via streamed webcams. Manned by all who have an interest in protecting the building using their own worldwide PC's (an idea for business security I had in the 90's. I believe such a system exists nowadays).
Schools should have 1 trip per year to the place, mandatory and written in to the Constitution lol
David Bowie should do the ribbon cutting on opening day, due to his excellent performance in the film 'The Prestige', playing Tesla.

Love it.

I would ban video surveillance though as it an infringement on human rights.

I wouldn't know where to start because it is really hard to grasp the significance of Eric Dollard's teachings

Im sure E.D. could do a set of lectures on video if he was employed there for those that need an in depth explanation of his work. The problem would be introducing him and getting them to understand the significance of his work.

I will do a drive by next week [maybe this week end] and see what info has been posted at the location , as well as find out what the "theme" is to be there.and the extent of the proposed Venues scientific involvement.
Perhaps they are looking for historical consultants/experts and such to assist in proper authentic replication of Tesla's Tech.

I think you may have volunteered yourself as our man on the scene Maybe you could set up a dialoge to get some of our ideas across

"Too many cooks spoil the broth" We have to accept that they are the owners and it is their decision in the end but there is nothing wrong with giving them our thoughts.

[Slider2732]

showed me some old Drawings of the site

Wonder if he would consider donating those drawings or loaning them ?

A related thought would be the Museum in Belgrade and the possibility of real Tesla artifacts being displayed between the two locations. I'm sure that some USA artifacts will now come forward, that the Belgrade museum would enjoy borrowing.
It's been reported that they have been, shall we say, a little remiss in the protection of some artifacts, but that the museum is undergoing restorations. It is to be hoped, by me, that the 2 centers could share restoration tips and assist each other with a planned direction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla_Museum

[RAMSET]

I'll have to get together with my friend and see. He was very close with the family for many years,when he showed me the drawings he mentioned that he had not seen them for a long time.They may not even be aware of the newest developments with the site.

I am quite sure there must be some very informed and connected people involved in this purchase,I would imagine they have a plan.

I'll be happy to find out whatever I can and pass it on.


Thx
Chet

[dR-Green]

Shock And Awe

I spoke to Eric about the Idea of being involved in the Tesla museum, and he liked the idea. The only conditions that he has for helping is that he gets to build something that works such as a REAL Tesla Coil, or Cosmic Induction Generator, none of the 'popular' Tesla Coils of today. He would also like to be involved in making sure all the historical electrical components used by Tesla are accurately describe in how they were used.

That's excellent news. Given the circumstances I would have thought that getting Eric interested would be even harder than the new owners.

On the sales pitch, given that everyone else is basically doing it wrong, there is USP galore.

The other museums/whatever show "wireless" by lighting fluorescent tubes, everyone's seen that, it's nothing. Why would they come to see you do it as opposed to the other place? But not many people have seen Tesla's demonstration that they speak of, here for example, this is the best that even the BBC have to offer the public:

Shock and Awe Tesla Coil - YouTube

Also David Blaine and his recent "stunt", with his chainmail. What a coward If he did it properly instead of giving everyone a light show then he wouldn't need any chainmail.

Tesla's demonstration involved the current passing through/across his body and lighting a bulb, incandescent or fluorescent makes no difference, as the BBC clip above says with no safety chainmail or anything. Who has seen that?

Through Tesla's wireless concept he was able to plug an incandescent bulb into the earth and light it. Anyone seen that done recently?

How about this?

A Bulb In Hand(s) - YouTube

These are just some ideas of what Tesla was up to that can be shown or demonstrated in a "sales pitch", that no one else seems to be doing because they're dazzled by the lightning bolts and fluorescent tubes. Demonstrations and experiments that have not been heard of since the time of the articles and stuff they hear about on the internet, not a bad way to get some interest?

Anyway I can provide images for some visuals in the sales pitch if it will help, as an example of "unconventional" things that even Tesla enthusiasts rarely see:









It should be noted that these are all from the early days, using nothing more than the basic instructions from Eric's video, and me having zero knowledge or experience with such things, hence the effect is seen but not to such an impressive degree. Given the knowledge gained since and the recent teachings from Eric then I'm sure it will be possible to put together a worthy case for Eric with even more impressive visuals, using the TMT as designed by Eric and everything I've learned through doing the tests he requested (important point). Although I may have to be naughty and employ spark gaps to get newer pictures So my sales pitch to this thread if you will, as Dave suggested is to show some of the effects that Tesla demonstrated, with Eric being the one who really brought it back to people's attention, and if all the other Tesla "authorities" were listened to and Eric wasn't there, then none of these effects would have been seen at all since Tesla did them. Get them to buy into it with things that clearly break the rules, taking it to the next level, leaving the silly "wireless fluorescent tubes" in the dust. That sort of thing.

In fact, why not take a demo unit to the sales pitch and show a real life demonstration? If that doesn't sell the idea to them then what will?

(I've been watching too much BBC Dragons' Den recently I think )

[edit]

One of the earliest observations I made with these new machines was that electrical oscillations of an extremely high rate act in an extraordinary manner upon the human organism. Thus, for instance, I demonstrated that powerful electrical discharges of several hundred thousand volts, which at that time were considered absolutely deadly, could be passed through the body without inconvenience or hurtful consequences...

... I still remember with pleasure how, nine years ago, I passed the discharge of a powerful induction-coil through my body to demonstrate before a scientific society the comparative harmlessness of very rapidly vibrating electric currents, and I can still recall the astonishment of my audience. I would now undertake, with much less apprehension than I had in that experiment, to transmit through my body with such currents the entire electrical energy of the dynamos now working at Niagara — forty or fifty thousand horse-power. I have produced electrical oscillations which were of such intensity that when circulating through my arms and chest they have melted wires which joined my hands, and still I felt no inconvenience. I have energized with such oscillations a loop of heavy copper wire so powerfully that masses of metal, and even objects of an electrical resistance specifically greater than that of human tissue, brought close to or placed within the loop, were heated to a high temperature and melted, often with the violence of an explosion, and yet into this very space in which this terribly destructive turmoil was going on I have repeatedly thrust my head without feeling anything or experiencing injurious after-effects

Not that I recommend we have Eric do such things as stick his head into it, but Tesla mentions the astonishment of the audience in the first instance. The audience who see it today would probably be just as astonished. So I think there are plenty of ways to get the site owners to see getting Eric onboard as an advantage instead of having just another useless Tesla coil producing lightning bolts. That is, in case electrical theory and mathematics fails to catch their attention Why not "play the game." Attracting people into your building as opposed to anyone else's is all about having something that no one else has got.

[quantumuppercut]

I have a dream,

One day we will have a place on earth where we all can come together and share our experiences. There will be living quarters build around the center and we will fly in from all over the world on Ion propulsion crafts. The center will have experiment rooms with unlimited supplies of coil, magnet, transistors, scopes, meters... There will be demonstration center. Plenty of food, BBQ, entertainment. I shall call this... "kingdom of the sages". Seeing this give me a small joy...a mini version of my dream... "shack of the brothers". lol

[Ufopolitics]

Isn't that High Frequency Currents dR Green?

Originally Posted by Nikola Tesla
One of the earliest observations I made with these new machines was that electrical oscillations of an extremely high rate act in an extraordinary manner upon the human organism. Thus, for instance, I demonstrated that powerful electrical discharges of several hundred thousand volts, which at that time were considered absolutely deadly, could be passed through the body without inconvenience or hurtful consequences...

... I still remember with pleasure how, nine years ago, I passed the discharge of a powerful induction-coil through my body to demonstrate before a scientific society the comparative harmlessness of very rapidly vibrating electric currents, and I can still recall the astonishment of my audience. I would now undertake, with much less apprehension than I had in that experiment, to transmit through my body with such currents the entire electrical energy of the dynamos now working at Niagara — forty or fifty thousand horse-power. I have produced electrical oscillations which were of such intensity that when circulating through my arms and chest they have melted wires which joined my hands, and still I felt no inconvenience. I have energized with such oscillations a loop of heavy copper wire so powerfully that masses of metal, and even objects of an electrical resistance specifically greater than that of human tissue, brought close to or placed within the loop, were heated to a high temperature and melted, often with the violence of an explosion, and yet into this very space in which this terribly destructive turmoil was going on I have repeatedly thrust my head without feeling anything or experiencing injurious after-effects

Hello dR Green,

Isn't Tesla referring here to extremely High Frequency Electricity?
The "Melting of Metals within a Coil"...doesn't it sound familiar with Induction Heating to melt aluminum and other Paramagnetic Materials achieved with very High Voltages and very High Frequencies?

I could be wrong...but typical 50- 60 cycles, slow frequencies High currents will burn and destroy Human Tissue.

Just an opinion...And I apologize to Thread, since is a bit off topic here...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

<3 That Dream

I have a dream,

One day we will have a place on earth where we all can come together and share our experiences. There will be living quarters build around the center and we will fly in from all over the world on Ion propulsion crafts. The center will have experiment rooms with unlimited supplies of coil, magnet, transistors, scopes, meters... There will be demonstration center. Plenty of food, BBQ, entertainment. I shall call this... "kingdom of the sages". Seeing this give me a small joy...a mini version of my dream... "shack of the brothers". lol

Beautiful dream Quantumuppercut !!

While I was reading Your post....I was flying into that place...and seen it all...so vivid I could make an Animated Short Movie about it...

Nice!


Regards

[dR-Green]

Hello dR Green,

Isn't Tesla referring here to extremely High Frequency Electricity?
The "Melting of Metals within a Coil"...doesn't it sound familiar with Induction Heating to melt aluminum and other Paramagnetic Materials achieved with very High Voltages and very High Frequencies?

I could be wrong...but typical 50- 60 cycles, slow frequencies High currents will burn and destroy Human Tissue.

Just an opinion...And I apologize to Thread, since is a bit off topic here...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Yes I wouldn't recommend that you try it with 50-60 cycles The basic effect is shown here, with much less power:

A Bulb In Hand(s) - YouTube

I'm touching the coil terminal in one hand, the current flows through me to my other hand, I feel nothing, and yet it lights the filament, which produces heat. You wouldn't want to try that with 50-60 cycles either So even though it's only a small amount of power in this case, the current flows through me safely, and produces heat in a resistive load, which is a 240 volt 15 watt bulb. Just like Tesla describes. [edit] Perhaps if my friend was fatter then he would have more capacitance and the bulb would have been brighter [/edit] I've also stood in series between transmitter and receiver and powered DC motors on the receiving end. All this stuff Tesla talks about works if you pay attention to what he says, and Eric is more than capable of doing that so he can bring this stuff out in a big way given the opportunity.

But while there's some unknown lower limit as to what's considered "high" frequency, there's also an upper limit, beyond which the current doesn't efficiently pass through the body and you can no longer see these effects.