Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[marathonman]

Yes, both of you are correct.
it just seams crazy to me to change a device when you don't completely understand it in the first place or have even built a proof of concept.
that's like fishing with Dynamite, sure you will get some fish but that's crazy.

Why in the world are all of you afraid of part G, sure it has many functions but at the same time vary simple in construction. all it is is winding's on a core, WOW ! how hard can that be. ?

"Don't know if you'll be able to achieve anything with hollow cores though."

Mario; you you honestly think you can build up a very strong magnetic field with no iron core. ? you would barely do that with Ferrites let alone no core.

[Netica]

Hi marathonman,


Trying to understand part G with respect to how the resistance of the wire wound around the core can work to limit the current to the primaries.


Just trying it out sending power through a coil with a core to a load allows current through quite easily and magnetizes the core.
So I am thinking that it is frequency dependent with respect to how fast the brush is moved around, leaving less time for the current to move through. So it would probably have to run between certain frequencies or rpm regarding the brush speed over the G core.

Could you let me know if I am considering this correctly or is there something else.

[marathonman]

Cores

Thanks MM for the reply.
I just take the lazy way cause i have some of these pump under hand and they are alredy have bucking coil on it...

But after i wound it, i realise with 2 of them, it may be possible to have 4output coil instead of only 2! (See the image) what do you think of it..?

For now i have hard time with the g part... But am still on it!

Ciao!

I wouldn't suggest taking magnetic fields around a corner like that.
try a toroid, i think the outcome will be much better for you.

MM

[Mario]

MM,

exactly, I agree. that's why I wrote what I wrote to Tswift. I don't understand your post. The best material is something with a very high permeability, such as pure iron, yet blocking the eddie currents which equal to heat and huge losses. Silicon iron, or R60 welding rods are the easiest and cheapest way to go. Or metglass for the rich ones...

Mario

[hanon1492]

Trying to understand part G with respect to how the resistance of the wire wound around the core can work to limit the current to the primaries.

Hi Netica,

In this video with a Variac powered with DC lighting two bulbs alternatively you may find some answers

https://vimeo.com/178144785

[marathonman]

Frequency

Netica;

You would be entirely correct in your assumption except the fact that even very low frequencies work here.
when earlier in one of my posts i mentioned time varying, i was basically referring to frequency.

see this device is DC fed but in order to get the proper currant variations, Figuera had to impart AC overtone aspects. he achieved this with part G.

Hanon made a video using DC through a variac. it showed the exact aspects you just described. currant variation with 12 volt bulbs were achieved with a quarter turn of the knob.

so you see part G is not all that scary after all.

Quote:
Uno de los extremos de la resistencia se halla enlazado con los electroimanes N y el otro con los electroimanes S la mitad de los extremos de las partes de la resistencia van a parar a la mitad de las delgas del cilindro y la otra mitad de dichas delgas está unida directamente con las primeras.

My Translation: One of the resistance ends is connected to electromagnets N and the other (end) with electromagnets S, half of the resistance terminals are connected to half of the elements from cylinder (commutator)

very simple to achieve.


Mario; pure solid iron is better than you think, even with eddies and all. just to darn expensive to justify.

MM

[j dove]

Change the world !

@MM
Thank you for the prompt reply to my question though I have not got back here to respond until now . Your effort is much appreciated.

First I must say a few words to all here on this thread .
Thank you Hanon for your excellent research and for the translation of the patents into English as many here I only speak one language and was not able to read them in Spanish . Also for to post the PJK chapter 22 PDF by MR. Utkin, as is good information and will help you to understand not only this device but others as is the same principle of operation .

MM , you want to change the world ? Well you have already done this with the post of your wonderful information here . As I for one knew nothing of motional electrical field and is use . I agree with you to build the device as indicated so that a complete understanding of the device it acquired. Then go from there and it is my intention to do just that . Though there are others with there own ideas on how to implement it .
This is not bad though , for is human nature. And much can be learned from it , even if it failure for I have much experience with that myself .
You Sir have accomplished your goal for now many others have a way to more forward when before there was none . If I were you I would be proud that so many have taken notice of this wonderful information and decided to use it as intended . Who knows what the outcome will be ? As it's an exponential expansion of knowledge and experimenting and all due to your post of your own experiments with results.
There will always be those that disagree with are theories but nature will prove out what really works .
So from me and I am sure many others that are reading this thread I say THANK YOU , for you have made a change for me .

Jeff

[Ufopolitics]

Divergency...

Hello Guys,

I see some "tension" here...and am sorry, and apologize if I am -some how- part of its cause.

The way I see a REPLICATION from an original design...is FIRST to test the ORIGINAL SPEC'S EXACTLY as described in the ORIGINAL Papers!

After that part is achieved, ONLY THEN We could start deviating and working "similar signals" based on our ORIGINAL TESTS RESULTS.

So, I really do not understand why some of you, before seeing the actual signal emitted by the ORIGINAL PART G rotary brush assembly with a few resistors...JUST JUMP into Electronics Signal Generators, and assuming all kind of different waves which are NOT BASED from a previous, existing test with ORIGINAL DEVICE?

I believe you may be driving completely blind by assumption.

This is NOT just a Switch On-Switch Off Signal.

This is NOT just an Off Phase Signal.

There IS a PERFECT CONTINUITY, SMOOTHNESS AND UNISON HARMONY on this Original Signal, provided by a smooth resistance path, that NEVER allows MAGNETIC FIELD to collapse to zero nor below, AS NOT making abrupt, radical drop downs.

MAKE BEFORE BRAKE (As Marathonman repeated several times here) is the name of this game winner...and NOT abrupt and radical drop downs in a steep vertical lines driving to zero.

@Hanon: I just pictured that center coil much smaller in order to be able to distinguish from the main secondary. Now, have you ever observed the self exciting coils at a real working House Generator Stator and compare them to the Main Generating Coils?

Have you seen any difference?

All I am trying to do is simplify this process of self excitation to primaries, but always driving with the original "Part G" Mechanical Rotary assembly signal.

We do not need to achieve COP>1 at self exciting secondary, just to feedback Primaries, if we are driving them with lower voltages.

Every single generator out there does that closed system recycling in their "self exciting Circuit" at all times of operation, and it ain't COP>1.

@Tswift: We had for a very long time the very wrong misconception that two opposed B-Fields will "cancel" at their center region...that is a completely wrong concept, they NEVER cancel!

That is exactly the Highest Energy Concentration ever conceived in a Spatial "3D Sphere" in their center region in the middle of nowhere. I will prove that in another Thread.

What we are all doing here -in Figuera's Patent- by using "bucking coils" moving their Compressed Fields back and forth thanks to Part G...is actually moving that High Energy Massless, Weightless Sphere-Ball, then generating electricity flow FIRST AT SOLID IRON CORE particles, then transmitted at copper coil wires in the induced coils.

I know I am VERY sure of what am writing here, please believe it.


Hopefully, later on I will run some tests of the Scoped Signal emitted by the Rotary Part G alone, without any Coils attached...and if I have the time, I will present a short video of it.


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

[marathonman]

Much grateful

I don't think i have ever been given a compliment like in my whole life, I THANK YOU MUCH!
i guess in my mind i thought i failed in my attempt to pass this information on, guess i was wrong.

QUOTE; "We had for a very long time the very wrong misconception that two opposed B-Fields will "cancel" at their center region...that is a completely wrong concept, they do not cancel!"
According to William Hooper it does, but that is totally trivial to your outstanding post.

and exactly as i have been saying according to Russel, we loose 50% of E field to magnetism, second primary adds that lost 50% back making it the only generator in the world to achieve the Highest Energy Concentration ever conceived in a Spatial "3D Sphere.
well put, by the way.


MM

[Ufopolitics]

I don't think i have ever been given a compliment like in my whole life, I THANK YOU MUCH!
i guess in my mind i thought i failed in my attempt to pass this information on, guess i was wrong.

QUOTE; "We had for a very long time the very wrong misconception that two opposed B-Fields will "cancel" at their center region...that is a completely wrong concept, they do not cancel!"
According to William Hooper it does, but that is totally trivial to your outstanding post.


MM

Marathonman,

You very well deserve those compliments and much more!

You really have Enlightened this Thread!

And yes, they were all wrong...Hooper, Lorentz, etc,etc...they do not cancel.
Cancelling takes place at attraction, not at repulsion.

I know it is -somehow- annoying and disturbing to hear that...but it is the darn true.

I have built a Generator which depends only on those "Cancelled Forces" to output Energy...

It is just about the Geometrical Disposition of our System which is wrong...not to collect their FULL energy...

But hey, let's keep building the Figuera's Device...


Regards


Ufopolitics


P.D: And do not worry...I will not charge you anything for my Translation into English...so you could keep posting it as many times as you please...

[marathonman]

B fields

Not literally, nothing can be cancelled in our UNIVERSE.

all components are there at all times just our equipment we use says zero. very active indeed.

thank you UFO, much appreciated.

why is that translation missing from the translated patent.????

PS. UFO did you see the device i posted on one of your other threads using your asymmetrical motor??? what do you think, is it feasible???


MM

[Netica]

Thank you marathonman and hanon,

The video was excellent in showing what I was thinking about. Makes things very clear with how this can be set up to vary the current to both primaries.
It is indeed surprising how slow it can be run to have the desired effect.
It appears that the faster this is run the less windings will be needed in the G core.

I am wondering if the mass of the G core should be in some way matched to the mass of the primaries especially since many sets of primaries can be used.

Thanks very much for the help in understanding.

[Ufopolitics]

Not literally, nothing can be cancelled in our UNIVERSE.

all components are there at all times just our equipment we use says zero. very active indeed.

Completely right MM, nothing actually "cancels" but "evolves-develops" into "something else"...

thank you UFO, much appreciated.


MM

My pleasure Sir, You do deserve a Big Gold Medal to still stand strong out here, taking all the BS from all of Us...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Mario]

Can someone please point me Hanon's video you are referring to? thanks.

Mario

[marathonman]

"My pleasure Sir, You do deserve a Big Gold Medal to still stand strong out here, taking all the BS from all of Us..."

Nothing a good shot of whiskey, a beer and 12, 800 milligram Ibuprofen's and shot of Thorazine won't take care of.
try being on OU, that will kill you.

Mario;
post 1001, link.

Netica;

part G's core must be higher rating then what your high and low primaries expend. if you are using say five amp for increasing and 2.5 for decreasing electromagnets the part G's core must be higher rating then 750 watt. preferably 500 or more over.

MM