Simple Overunity Example or Fake

[Slider2732]

In agreement with others above...giving a constant speed from the AC line voltage. No magnets are within such motors.
The wires could easily run through the fake capacitor. He turns it to make it look like the cap is free in the air, but it's a little too well rooted and straightened.

In fact I just took one of those apart, out of a microwave, to reuse the wire.

[nicknewbie]

DC motor & DC generator - YouTube So your telling me there is no way his explanation of one coil being slightly larger then the other. Explain that video if one motor was slightly larger is could be mechanically connected via belt and electrically with a cap to the other to produce over unity?

Also this motor needs varied ac to spin, I think it could also operate off the pulsed Dc coming from the Back emf off the generator coil, hence the reversed poles on one coil.

[tachyoncatcher]

Magnets

Hey citfta,
I think this thread is great! It's a shill magnet! Then you know what posters to avoid . Brother!
Randy

[Dupe]

Yes these are common AC induction motors, the rotor turns by the resultant magnetic field set up by the applied AC line voltage (220/230 volts) the rotor is not a permanent magnet and as such can't create a voltage within the coil when spun!! so the reverse principle does not apply with this type of motor and hence no power is generated. These demonstrations are never shown on clear glass and lifted above the camera while in motion.

[Matthew Jones]

Yes these are common AC induction motors, the rotor turns by the resultant magnetic field set up by the applied AC line voltage (220/230 volts) the rotor is not a permanent magnet and as such can't create a voltage within the coil when spun!! so the reverse principle does not apply with this type of motor and hence no power is generated. These demonstrations are never shown on clear glass and lifted above the camera while in motion.

Do some homework!!!
They do have permanent magnets and the rotor is not charged. There are no power wires going to the rotor.
Amazon.com: Universal Bathroom Fan Replacement Electric Motor Kit with Fan 115 volts C01575: Home Improvement
Not to say thing will work, of course it won't work. Even if the small ceramic magnets in the rotor could saturate the metal around them, no motor will exceed its running voltage in generated voltage. Especially not an AC motor.

Matt

[Farmhand]

Do some homework!!!
They do have permanent magnets and the rotor is not charged. There are no power wires going to the rotor.
Amazon.com: Universal Bathroom Fan Replacement Electric Motor Kit with Fan 115 volts C01575: Home Improvement
Not to say thing will work, of course it won't work. Even if the small ceramic magnets in the rotor could saturate the metal around them, no motor will exceed its running voltage in generated voltage. Especially not an AC motor.

Matt

Hi Matt, The motors used in this fake are shaded pole motors as Carroll
pointed out, permanent magnet motors that look similar and do a similar job
are around, but those are not them, I have both kinds.

The shaded pole motors are synchronous motors and they can generate if
they are spun fast enough, but this is still a fake. The problem is in the speed
as Carroll pointed out as well as the generating efficiency even if it was spun
up by another motor.

Seems this thread has been targeted by a spammer. Maybe this fakers other line is click revenue.

Cheers

[Berg]

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Seems this thread has been targeted by a spammer. Maybe this fakers other line is click revenue.

Cheers

They've been reported

[Dupe]

AC motors working theory

Do some homework!!!
They do have permanent magnets and the rotor is not charged. There are no power wires going to the rotor.


Matt

With respect... these motors are shaded pole types as used in fans, commonly used in micro wave cooker. Years ago they were used in record player turntables etc. For those who are interested do a web search for shaded pole motors for an explanation of how they work. I did my home work a good many years ago. Kind Regards

[genessc]

I had a couple of these kicking around and I scoped them and put the vids up. They do generate a sine with a sort of overlaid ripple when spun by hand. The RPM is 3360, and on the scope when one drives the other, the output sine is 60hz... which doing the math indicates a 2 pole rotor, I think.

The scope shows a sine thats maybe up to 12volts at the 3360rpm... I tried the reverse induction RV Alt method that Guruji noted on it, and with the small .66uF (didn't have .68uF on hand, two .33uF 400v caps wired in parallel) capacity on them, it rang but not overmuch. Spinning by finger only noted a couple hundred mV of amplitude from the motor...

Calculating the capacity needed for the 120hz measured inductance of the drive coil at 811mH noted a 2uF capacity would net a 120hz resonance with that inductance. A 9uF would net a 60hz resonance. I tried both. When shorting the 12vdc car battery over the coil/cap I got a nice series of spikes up to 40vdc or so. However subsequent spin up didn't cause the generating motor/capacitor to be excited into some sort of VARS output.

I guess the next aspect to look at is the volt rating for the motors... might as well try to be thorough instead of just blowing it off. If he did chop the rotor and add perm magnets, he'd only need the 2 poles noted, one on either side at 180degree offset perhaps. If one had a perm mag rotor and the other had reactive, that might work... or if both maybe had perm mag rotors and were so phases so that opposing poles were passing the drive coils on alternating motors maybe? phasing?

I also picked up a couple 240v 50hz rated motors so I can compare there too. Frankly tho, the two motors I have look pretty much like the two in the pic further up the thread, both 120vac rated, but when tested, the black coil former drew 300mA at 24vdc shorted over it, while the white coil former drew 200mA with the same 24vdc potential applied over it. Meaning the same coils could be getting used on both 120v and 240v motors potentially.

The other thing to note is that these motors are configured so they will turn one way or the other. Does anyone know how that is done for the motor? Do they just pull the rotor and put it in with the axle facing the opposite side to use the slant offset on the squirrel cage rotor to cause the reversed direction? Actually another 2 minutes searching and here:

"Currents induced in this coil by the magnetic field create a second electrical phase by delaying the phase of magnetic flux change for that pole (a shaded pole) enough to provide a 2-phase rotating magnetic field. The direction of rotation is from the unshaded side to the shaded (ring) side of the pole.[1] Since the phase angle between the shaded and unshaded sections is small, shaded pole motors produce only a small starting torque relative to torque at full speed. Shaded-pole motors of the asymmetrical type shown are only reversible via disassembly and flipping over the stator, though some similar-looking motors have small, switch-shortable auxiliary windings of thin wire instead of thick copper bars and can reverse electrically."

Shaded-pole motor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the stator coil has to be flipped to get reversed rotation? That doesn't really make sense since its AC being applied and regardless which way the AC is going its constantly alternating. Maybe thats supposed to say rotor?

If thats the case, then since the coils are all looking original and the motors are on the same side to begin with, its unlikely that one motor is made for CCW while the others made for CW.

I think that covers all the angles I can think of. Here are the vids I noted earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP0X...qecBGgpzFhgrcQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NPl...qecBGgpzFhgrcQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDNb...qecBGgpzFhgrcQ

Looking for rubber bands and cable ties to belt it up with the same sort of plastic pulleys to see if that makes any difference. Then will prolly progress with mutilating the rotors for perm magnet embedding just to see if that makes any better result or if the drag resultant kills any gain from localizing the fields in the rotor. :P

Take it easy,
Gene

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[lzbin80]

Fake or not, time will tell

Notice that the fake or suspicious overunity video tend to briefly introduce their device, then that's all! Think about their purpose and cost efficiency on that purpose.

This is because a liar cannot lie much longer, even the best liar cannot withstand the test of time. And they tend to dislike lying because of the load on their brain.

Most genuine videos of how-to-build overunity device are hours long or have detailed speech. Any human liar cannot keep lying for that long otherwise, their brain would explode.

[a.king21]

If someone finds the motors I can, I have no idea what they are called or what they are out of.

The motors are the fan motors from a microwave oven.
(You can also tap out the cores with a small hammer and screwdriver.)
The rotor is aluminum with a steel spindle (aluminium in the UK)

[Duncan]

love these is it ... isn't it vids

My 10cents … parallel magnetic paths .. this has much in common with the ferro resonance principles of Hectors rotoverter and transverter and Joe Flynn parallel paths System all of which are noted working COP+1 looped systems. Its also reminiscent of Thane's bi Torroid for me. And now When another replication is shown the odds of it being fake obviously go down exponentially also Wesley has done it on plastic ,and he's prepared to spin it through 90deg … much more difficult to fake, anyway I have a little more information than the earlier guessers and voters so although not totally convinced (with out an actual running build) I think I'll vote yes on this one it looks quite feasible.

[Ernst]

I am very much surprised to see that 4 people actually believe this.

Ernst

[Duncan]

Ernst some ones got to support the underdog .... I like Wesley's effort anyway!
I was asked for help from China http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Jlc173XioQE/ - YouTube
yeah going to the horse races some ones gotta bet on the "old nag" I'd need to see another replication or two before I bothered buying the bits and the ferrite rings to try it ... however if I had them in the scrap box I might be tempted to "give her a go" just for the hell of it