Dr. Fred Bell

[SilverToGold]

@mbrownn
great post, and i agree there is much evidence lacking which is probably the biggest problem.

It's really not a matter of evidence. I provided plenty of evidence if someone wanted to looked into it. And there is plenty more I didn't give. We all look at the facts through our world views or assumed beliefs. No matter what facts I provide, it probably wouldn't change some minds since their world view will not change since it justifies their life styles. If someone honestly wanted the truth, looked into both sides.... then they would get the truth that the God of the KJV Bible is of course real.

My disbelief of a God, being my opinion, is logic based.

It is not "logically" to not believe in God? It is quite the opposite.

Evolution (the only alternative to Creation) is in fact a religion since it requires belief in something supernatural (outside of observable nature).

Creationist believe God created us.
Evolutionist believe we and all the universe came from nothing.

This is not logical. To come from nothing requires a supernatural event.

It astounds me that people believe some 'savior' cares about any of us when every single day innocent people are slaughtered and abused for no good reason at all. When you go to sleep at night, you lock your doors...no savior will save your life.

Well, what exactly is wrong with people being slaughtered, abused, robbed, killed or whatever?

According to evolution theory, there is no wrong or right. No morals, no good or bad. It is all about procreating my genes to the future - survival of the fittest and if someone gets in my way, there is nothing wrong with taking them out or their family or city or country either. As long as you get to procreate to the future, it's all ok.

Of course, for someone who knows God exist and has the Bible, these things are obviously wrong.

The fact that you know right from wrong is because God placed that within you. There is absolutely no need for such concepts in an evolutionary viewpoint. Morals are an evolutionary hinderance.

You are a man arguing against the existence of air while breathing it in your lungs. God being the air of course in this analogy.

The reason we have these terrible things as you stated is free will and love of sin when Adam and Eve distrusted God and ate the forbidden fruit. It was so terrible that Jesus had to die to wash away those sins so we can be saved.

The penalty of sin is death and someone has to die for your sins. You can either accept the free gift given to you by Jesus standing in your place or you will have to pay it yourself.

Jesus is the only one that can save your life or mine.

The soul never dies. In my opinion

How can you have a soul if there is no God?

And the soul can die. This is the same lie Satan told Eve in the garden, that she would not surely die.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

The basis of life itself is hard for the human mind to comprehend. Why does life have to be this way? Why are living creatures created with the sole purpose to kill?
Animals have every bit as much of a soul as human beings do. Humans are only warm blooded mammels. We are all the same.
Killing is a "sin" yet we are designed to kill and eat meat. There is no logic behind going to heaven, or hell.

God created the earth in the beginning perfect. Nothing died. We were NOT created to kill. No animals ate any other animal. Everything was vegetarian. It was perfect in every way. It was sin of mistrusting God that brought death into the world.

Animals do not have human souls, they were not created in the image of God and God gave man dominion over the entire earth and all within it. Animals are below man in the order of creation.

Man is not an animal. Only evolution where death is the hero and we are all rearranged pond scum does your ideas fit. How terrible it must be for you to see people like this.

You are right, there is no logic in us going to heaven since we all deserve death but God loves us that much that He even was humiliated and died so we could live forever with Him... if we choose to.

A creator, created a world full of blood and death, why?
A creator would have the power to create utopia. Why must we live in this world as slaves fighting to survive and to protect ourselves?
Does anyone understand why life has to be this way?

I feel for you, you sound quite distressed... as I was also when I once thought as you did. But please look at the video I gave above, GOD IS REAL

REVEALING GOD'S TREASURE - RON WYATT - YouTube

And you are right, it doesn't make any sense from an evolutionary standpoint.. we are not animals fighting each other to get ahead. But the way the world is, is not how it always was. It was Utopia! And it will be again but the only way to get there is to accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice (a free gift) and follow his commandments as given in Exodus 20.

Personally, I believe in the singularity of consciousness. I think we all are one. At the soul level we all are god.
We already are eternal and the only way for us to experience a full emotional life, is to live in a world like this.

This is exactly the same lie told to our mother Eve in the Garden and you and many others are still believing it.

Genesis 3: 4-5 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Can you not see the truth? Is it not obvious? If the devil is not real.... why DOES THE WORLD BELIEVE EXACTLY THE SAME OLD LIE SATAN TOLD EVE and somehow think it's a new thought? This is basically what almost everyone on this earth believes. That the soul is immortal. It is not.

Living in heaven for all eternity would make you numb to all emotion, which really isnt a life at all...thats my theory.

A human lifespan is 77 years. That is extremely short. However its long enough to experience everything at least once.
Isnt it funny we are born with no memory at all. It makes perfect sense. Being eternal, you could never live a new life without forgetting the past.
Where were any of us a 1,000 years ago?

1 Corinthians 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

We can not even imagine what heaven has in store for us. When Jesus became human, he did so to raise us up to God. We will never be God of course, but we will be closer to Him than any other beings in the entire universe.

Here is what Ellen White had to say about heaven to give you some idea...

"There every power will be developed, every capability increased. The grandest enterprises will be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations will be reached, the highest ambitions realised. And still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of body and mind and soul.

All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's children. With unutterable delight we shall enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. We shall share the treasures gained through ages upon ages spent in contemplation of God's handiwork. And the years of eternity, as they roll, will continue to bring more glorious revelations. "Exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think" (Ephesians 3:20) will be, forever and forever, the impartation of the gifts of God."

A much better view of life (and it's 100% true) than what evolution has in store for humanity with it's non-ending cycle of dog eat dog and death.

[SilverToGold]

There are two forces in the universe currently.

1) God
2) Satan

I wondered where exactly Walter Russell obtained his knowledge, which source did he really tap into?

After looking over his doctrines, he obviously is not pointing people to Jesus Christ in his "divine" doctrine so he was not getting his information from God.

Walter Russell was getting information from Satan.

So be aware who you're dealing with when you read his stuff.

Hi jdodson, The person who came closest to explaining some of this stuff was
Water Russell. Many consider his writings to be "divine". It looks to me like he
just had many revelations of truth and was "connected" to the "ONE" substance
he talks of.

We all consist of the "ONE" substance/energy and we all shall return to it.

[Bob Smith]

Well-done S-to-G,
Whoever denies the Son of Man, the Son of Man will deny. You have unashamedly stood for Him, and He will stand for you (as He stands for all, whether or not they choose - the door is always open).
Bob

[Farmhand]

There are two forces in the universe currently.

1) God
2) Satan

I wondered where exactly Walter Russell obtained his knowledge, which source did he really tap into?

After looking over his doctrines, he obviously is not pointing people to Jesus Christ in his "divine" doctrine so he was not getting his information from God.

Walter Russell was getting information from Satan.

So be aware who you're dealing with when you read his stuff.

I think most rational people can see where the problems with religious fanatics
originate.

You say Walter Russell wasn't receiving his info from God so he must have
been receiving it from the Devil.That's not Logic. That is just ridiculous, with the wagging of a
tongue you condemn Walter as a devil contactee. Since his info could only
have come from God or the devil. That is just so radical it is madness.


Your logic is flawed.

The big bang is not the beginning of everything, it is purported as the
beginning of a "cycle". Nothing cannot go bang, for there to be a bang there
must be something to go bang. My logic is good.

I don't subscribe to the big bang theory. Nor is it described as the beginning
of everything. But the theory is that everything stops expanding then
contracts into a small area and goes Bang then expands again to what we see
as the Universe now.

In my opinion that is impossible, the Universe is everything and goes with no
end. People used to think if we were to go to the edge of the Earth we would
fall off. Now they seem to think there could be an end to the Universe. That
would imply that if there was a way to travel that far, we could go to the
edge of the universe, but that is just crazy there is no edge, by definition the
Universe is everything.

We describe things with words contrived by man, the words are lacking and
subject to misunderstandings.

There was no beginning to the Universe all that is has always existed in some
form or other and has always been the Universe, "Universe" meaning all that
there is in total, that is the meaning of the word in my opinion.

The Universe encompasses everything, known or not, the unknown parts of
the Universe are still part of the Universe.

Cheers

P.S. I've never seen an Alien run away when Jesus was mentioned, I've seen
no proof of that either so to me it is just hearsay and rumor repeated by
people who will believe anything.

Here is an example of how easy it is to fool some people.

Neat little Motor Generator

I see you're one of the fooled one's.

http://www.energeticforum.com/159537-post27.html

A couple of us can see clearly. I didn't want to upset anybody so I tried to be
tactful. It was an obvious fake but peoples desires and beliefs influence their
common sense.

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[jdodson]

I very much agree with farmhand. SilvertoGold, I understand your point of view but I simply will never see things the way you do. I grew up going to catholic schools with church every week, my family are christian. I truly hold no hard feelings toward people who believe what I do not. I think the religious logic is completely wrong but i respect everyone of any religion or belief system who live a peaceful life and aspires to be good. I also respect the fact you can respond to someone questioning your belief and not become frustrated or upset. That alone is not something everyone is able to do.

but theres alot of intelligent and mature people around this forum.

This is not logical. To come from nothing requires a supernatural event.

However you believe god came from nothing? It seems you believe thats allowed because god is 'special'....Only difference is that I believe 'we' are special.

It was sin of mistrusting God that brought death into the world.

So, you believe the world was uptopia but since god wasnt happy he made the world a much worse place...Do you realize what you are describing is a tyrant? Hes not happy we dont trust him...so he brings death? Why would anyone ever worship that? Thats not a good god...thats a tyrant.

Is this the same god who stands by and watches as an innocent christian woman may be raped beaten and murdered in their own kitchen? Thats graphic...but that is reality. What 'savior' would ever allow that to be ok?

Man is not an animal. Only evolution where death is the hero and we are all rearranged pond scum does your ideas fit. How terrible it must be for you to see people like this.

I dont believe death is a hero nor do I believe we are pond scum.
You believe god is special, I believe the soul of every living creature is special.
Thats the biggest difference between you and me.
Every man is capable of have a pure and good heart.
Every man is capable of having an evil heart with no reguard for life.
We all have that capability, without god or satan being around.

You believe we are the image of god? What do we have that animals do not?

How many souls are in heaven? 500 trillion billion different souls? The human race could go one forever here on earth.

I believe there is one soul, as you believe there is one god. Every living creature is created in the image of god because every living soul is a piece of that single universal soul.

We are here to live. We are here to experience a life of duality, experience emotion. Love, Hate, Sadness, Happiness, Pity, Greed, Guilt, Serenity. This is a life of our own creation, it is as we make it, because we are the creator. in my opinion

I have heard this before and although I don't know the answer I think I disagree. We could be a singularity of energy but our consciousness seems to be individual but influenced by our environment and the actions of others. So in a way we could be all one but in another we are definitely not. Its like the sea, it is made up of individual molecules doing there own thing but as a whole they act as one. Sort of like your theory upside down.

I think your right on track. Life is a very complex thing, that we know is certain.
There are many levels of consciousness, it is as deep as the ocean itself.
In my sub-conscious dreams I can create far more realistic virtual realities than I ever could with my consciousness mind. Ive seen things frist hand with my sub-conscious that I can barely grasp with my conscious mind.

I believe it explains why things like remote viewing are possible, or out of body experiences, even quantum entanglment. It seems everything is already connected as one. We all certainly are individuals however that would be required for this life to exist as it does. Otherwise everything would already be in a form of singularity and none of us would have anything to interact with.

This is far too deep, lets have a beer

Thats what makes it fun lol. As long as no one is getting upset, all is well.

[mbrownn]

I'm not sure that this is on topic or not but I think it is worth mentioning, I was brought up as a christian in the church of England, non practicing. My farther always was the same but always said "if you want to learn about religion, that is your choice" so my knowledge was restricted to an hour per week at school, that I never listened to. I considered it to be something to tell kids when they ask questions, that they are too young to know or understand the answers to. I consider myself to be not religious.

In recent years I have learned a lot more about the subject including that of the origin of most religions, Interestingly I have debated priests, vicars and other religious people on the the origins and the old testament etc. The thing is, some of these people are actually very knowledgeable on the lizard people and the interbreeding with "demons and reptilians/aliens" hmmmmmm Of course they interpret it as demons. They are also familiar with the "all being one" thing and see no conflict with their belief system. (Cognitive dissidence)

Having studied some of the "mystery" religions, freemasonry and ancient history and I do see similarities between these and the mainstream stuff. What we are discussing is, to some extent, in all the religions.

This stuff is followed by the people the "conspiracy theorists" warn us about. Now I don't know the truth about it, who does? but be aware that at least some of the people in power lead their lives by it. There has been two former presidents of the US that have given warning speeches about it.

On the whole I agree with all the contributors of this topic and that isn't a cop out, its because there is a lot more to this and all of us know a little about it taken from one point of view or another.

Going back to Bell, he obviously believed a lot of it and in light of the election you will hear a lot of things that are directly related to it in the next four years. There is an agenda.

Believe what you want but research the origins and you will have a better understanding.

[vegasscorpion]

here is the video

Hi All,
Here is the video. Lots of Tesla references. I don't know how long it will stay up.

Conspiracy Theory - Season 3 Episode 2 - YouTube

VegasScorpion

[mbrownn]

Im beginning to wonder about Ventura. OK the last two episodes have gone out as new edited versions of the originals but Ventura still stands by them. There is clear errors or misinformation in both of them, I know its entertainment but that is no excuse for misrepresenting the facts.

I will use one of the smaller errors as an example, Hutchinson demonstrates a blue ray laser (I have one of these) and in the show it is linked to Tesla and government directed energy weapons. Clearly the type of weapon implied is not a laser, nor does it have similarities to microwave weapons or the Hutchinson effect. A van der graaf generator was said to be a directed energy weapon too

In addition, many of the people interviewed are presented mostly in a way that is kookie while others are not. Proven facts are dismissed in favor of ones that cant be proven and there is little evidence for.

example 2, The documented and physical evidence of thermate was dismissed in favor of directed energy weapons. I am not saying that such weapons don't exist and that they could not have been used but the presence of thermitic materials has been proven and independently verified.

Now before someone attacks me for what I have said, think about this. It seems to me that this program was designed to drive a wedge into the truth movement, divide and rule. It is making you choose a side, just like republican or democrat. It is not about Steven Jones or Judy Wood and you don't have to make a choice. If there was a real investigation, without limitations, then the evidence would give us a clearer indication of what happened. Could both have been used? Yes and normal explosives too.

See what is happening here, I smell a rat. Is Ventura a part of a misinformation program? I don't know and I hope not but I am sure that something is not right. I believe that Ventura is protecting his show and that is normal but I have questions

I have commented on Bell before

It would seem that Mr Bell had been in the MK ultra program from an early age, with him being so young I doubt he would be the one running it. This then leads us to the question of how much of what he was saying was real and how much programing? He may well have believed everything he was saying but that does not mean it was true but he could just as easily be making it up. Enough to say that we cannot confirm his intent or what he was saying.

Much of what he has said has been contradictory in terms of what we know today, or what we think we know but as far as evidence is concerned, it is lacking.

On god evolution and aliens, I am not going say one is wrong and the other is the truth because again the evidence is lacking. There is evidence that shows biological entities can evolve but not enough to be able to say that evolution is the whole picture and there is some evidence to the contrary. On god the evidence is lacking to prove his existence but what we know about life and other things cannot be totally explained without some intelligent intervention. This leads, of course, to the question is god an alien? If god was an alien that seeded or created us, then who or what created him. Evidence of alien existence is up for debate but it seems likely that they do exist. The truth is we have far more hard evidence that self running motors exist than any of the above but that does not mean that that any of the above is true or false, In fact they all could be true or all false.

It is our right to believe what we want to believe and I sit here with an open mind.

On Fred Bell, like god evolution and aliens, there is much that is true but much where the evidence is lacking and many contradictions so again we are left to believe what we want to believe.

In this quote it also refers to some of what Icke says. Icke has been proven right on many things and I don't dismiss what he says yet episode 1 of Venturas show was clearly portraying Icke as some sort of shyster that was only in it for the money. Again I have questions.

I am not going to dismiss Ventura but I am watching him, closely. I sincerely hope he does not turn out to be another Charlie Veitch.