Other Lockridge theory's

[tachyon]

what does lockridge device do?

[Tinmanpower]

what does lockridge device do?

As far as i know it was a device found in the ww2 era,that powered itself and a load.
It was a motor and generator all in one,that had excess output.
The only thing is that so far i have only found information on it that has come from John Bedini or Peter Lindermann.
No where can i find information about the device out side of the two people mentioned above.

I wonder if any one else has been able to find other information about the device?

[mbrownn]

Both wave and lap windings can have two windings in parallel so it does get difficult to identify them by just looking. I think that the drawing is just to identify that two different wires can be used and not to identify the size of the wire or it would be mentioned in the text.

The cap is probably to prevent arcing at the contact and so does not need to be large in capacity.

I was thinking it may be shunt wound myself after reading the pdf.

It is very common to have an odd number of segments on a commutator, there are several reasons why, one of which is to stop resonant oscillations building up high voltages and arcing. I am not sure but it may be the case that these are all lap wound. The imbalance between the armature and stator causes the current from the inductive kickback effects, to pass around the armature and dissipate instead of oscillate.

Even though there is an odd number of segments there is still an even number of magnetic poles when the armature is in operation.

We have not yet identified what type of winding you have.

Hiwater, who is building and testing my lockridge theories, is suggesting that your armature is similar to some of the starter/generators used on club cadet golf carts. I cant be sure what those armatures are either as I don't have one. He suggests that they are for carrying the heavy current when starting but I don't know how that is done. He also noted that your armature is wound the opposite direction to his and wondered if it was for positive grounding but I think it may be just built for a different direction of rotation. Maybe you could shed some light on this, Is it positive ground?

He also corrected me on the voltages he is getting from the device "So that we are on the same page the generator coils Im am using are the generator coils i sent you a picture of out of the starter-generator from that golf cart . At a ratio of average 10 volts in to 112volts out. Hope this clears this up. Sorry for the misunderstanding."

At the moment I am not advocating rewinding the armatures as we have not yet established what the windings are and new possibilities have exposed themselves under testing.

Personally I would keep that generator on your engine unmodified and get one of these delco starter generators that hiwater is using to experiment with.

@tachyon, Tinmanpower is correct, there is little information about this device other than from John Bedini and Peter Lindermann. The device that John has, is an attempt at reconstructing the original. We have little to go on but through simulations I have been able to come up with several possible solutions but what works on a simulator does not always work in practice. We are now putting the knowledge gained through simulation into practice on real motors. I believe I have solved the geometry problem of the stator and why the slots are in the case. This alone is evidence to me that this is a real device.

Now we are working on the armature possibilities starting with a lap wound armature even though I believe the original was wave wound. We have to prove what can be done and what can't as well as why. We have had an unexpected level of arcing in our armature so we have to test what this is and how to take advantage of it.

As of now we don't have a fully working device to show everybody and we could be following a wrong path so I don't want to send people on a wild goose chase. Once I have something established as a possible part of the device I will let you all know. We do have a very unusual motor generator that has some interesting characteristics that need further investigation.

I would watch the EFV 14 video, pay close attention to all the parts and what John says about what it did while running. There are a lot of clues there.

[Tinmanpower]

Hi MrBrown

As happens i believe i may just have another motor that could be used as an experimental base.
It is an old brushed 240 volt electric motor,which i converted to a 230 volt DC generator to run the lights down at our shack on the river.

I have since upgraded ,so as i can run all the AC gear we have down there now.
So i have this old girl sitting in the shed on the floor.
It also works as a dc motor aswell as a generator.
The brushes are already on a stator plate that can rotate about 30 degree's either direction.

This is quite a large unit,and there is plenty of room in there to make mod's.
It is also very easy to work on.

I have found with experimenting(the L.A.G)that there is a way to wind an electric motor so as any power pulled from the generator windings do not effect the current draw of the motor,infact the opposite happens where as you gain torque and reduce input current when drawing a load.

But the coils have to be wound in a fashon that is 90* out from what conventional motor coil windings are.
In other words,if we say that the coils in a normal motor are wound horizontal -then we would have to wind the coils in a vertical fashon.

It would be very tricky to wind,but it could be done.

In reguards to your setup-right or wrong,it would be nice to see what you have done so far.

[mbrownn]

Bingo, my ears pricked up when you said 90 degrees out from what conventional motor coil windings are.

Obviously I haven't seen your motor but I assume you are doing what I am doing.

[Tinmanpower]

Bingo, my ears pricked up when you said 90 degrees out from what conventional motor coil windings are.

Obviously I haven't seen your motor but I assume you are doing what I am doing.

Hi MrBrown
I have built a few of this design.The first 2 or 3 never worked as i thought they would,until i worked out were i was going wrong.
My first designs were very much the same as ufopolotics motor designs he is working on now.
I see that he has come a long way in what he is doing,but i believe there is a more effective way to achieve what he is trying to achieve.

Through many experiments with the standard ssg pulse motor,and modyfied circuits of my own design-i discovered how to totaly reverse the lenz force effect.
Infact when a load is drawn from the generator coils,torque is added and current consumption is reduced.

The generator coils must be seperate from the drive coil's,except the flyback from the switching off of the run coils must be sent through the generator coils at just the right time.

The coils as wound on the rotor in a normal fashion will not achieve the effect needed. The coils need to be wound so as they are at a 90* angle to what the normal windings would be.

The easiest way to do this is by haveing the perminant magnets on the rotor,and the drive and generator coils as the stator.
I have found the drive coils and generator coils should be in a 18* v(this is the best angle i have found so far in my testing)
The open side should be the side that faces the rotor magnets.

With one input pulse,you get 3 generating output effects.
The system is not too complicated,but the results are well worth the time and effort.

The idea was to use the generator coils that when they have a load attached to them,would act as the second coil in a bucking configuration.
The system grew from there.
The next progress made was sending the kick back from the run coils,through the generator coil,s.
This resulted in a second bucking coil situation-but in reverse,where as the backEMF current produced by the run coils is sent back to the run battery via a FWBR hooked up in a certain way to the run coils.

What also must be kept in mind is that while all this is happening(the bucking effect),the magnetic field between the run and generator coils gains in strength-thus pushing harder on the rotor magnet's-or pull harder if in an attraction mode setup.

Triggering i have found is best if a reed triggered darlington transistor is used to power the run coil's
A hall switch setup would also work well,although i have decided to stick with the reed's

In a 12 volt setup and useing a 1k ohm between the reed and base of the transistor-no arcing of the reed is noticed.

[mbrownn]

Hi MrBrown
I have built a few of this design.The first 2 or 3 never worked as i thought they would,until i worked out were i was going wrong.
My first designs were very much the same as ufopolotics motor designs he is working on now.
I see that he has come a long way in what he is doing,but i believe there is a more effective way to achieve what he is trying to achieve.

Through many experiments with the standard ssg pulse motor,and modyfied circuits of my own design-i discovered how to totaly reverse the lenz force effect.
Infact when a load is drawn from the generator coils,torque is added and current consumption is reduced.

The generator coils must be seperate from the drive coil's,except the flyback from the switching off of the run coils must be sent through the generator coils at just the right time.

The coils as wound on the rotor in a normal fashion will not achieve the effect needed. The coils need to be wound so as they are at a 90* angle to what the normal windings would be.

The easiest way to do this is by haveing the perminant magnets on the rotor,and the drive and generator coils as the stator.
I have found the drive coils and generator coils should be in a 18* v(this is the best angle i have found so far in my testing)
The open side should be the side that faces the rotor magnets.

With one input pulse,you get 3 generating output effects.
The system is not too complicated,but the results are well worth the time and effort.

The idea was to use the generator coils that when they have a load attached to them,would act as the second coil in a bucking configuration.
The system grew from there.
The next progress made was sending the kick back from the run coils,through the generator coil,s.
This resulted in a second bucking coil situation-but in reverse,where as the backEMF current produced by the run coils is sent back to the run battery via a FWBR hooked up in a certain way to the run coils.

What also must be kept in mind is that while all this is happening(the bucking effect),the magnetic field between the run and generator coils gains in strength-thus pushing harder on the rotor magnet's-or pull harder if in an attraction mode setup.

Triggering i have found is best if a reed triggered darlington transistor is used to power the run coil's
A hall switch setup would also work well,although i have decided to stick with the reed's

In a 12 volt setup and useing a 1k ohm between the reed and base of the transistor-no arcing of the reed is noticed.

I have not reproduced this anomalous lenz effect myself yet but have started to research to identify the possible cause. In a paper that I believe was written by Dollard, I cant find it now, it talks about how the effect works under certain conditions.

One of these conditions is to do with coil saturation. The coil is to be operated where the saturation has gone past the linear part and is on the curve where it flattens out. That is, increasing current is no longer increasing coil saturation in a linear way as the core is almost fully saturated. The problem here is, to do that by pulsing requires relatively long pulse durations. This then gives us a problem in that the inductive kickback will not recover all the energy put into the pulse.

It seems to me that the Lockridge has the answer and it is the trifilar coil. This coil is wound around the motor thus pre-saturating the coils, now we can pulse the coils in this condition. This is speculation and has to be tested experimentally. It could be that the magnets on an SG is providing the pre-saturation.

Your method of moving the coils to 90 degrees is probably an improvement on the original Lockridge configuration but may not be necessary. It seems to be possible with the coils placed on the poles as in a normal motor but we have to remove the BEMF to do it.

The "Squires" video talks about how BEMF is created and suggests that it is the lateral movement of flux within the core of a coil. Turning the coils through 90 degrees as you do achieves this but there is a simpler, if not quite as effective way of doing it. What seems to confirm that I have succeed in reducing the BEMF is the fact that our motor is drawing huge current.

Normally this current would produce higher motor speed and torque but we do not see that as the generator circuit is absorbing the torque. The way our motor works means that it will not run effectively without the current being drawn through the generator coils and so it hides the increased torque although audibly you can here the motor is under load.

We are not pulsing the motor effectively yet and we do not have the trifilar coil so we cant test my third paragraph yet.

We are already experiencing acceleration under load but it is not this lenz effect, it is in fact a transformer effect. The more current we draw out of the transformer, the more current the transformer draws from the supply. The more current that is drawn through a motor, the faster a motor goes.

I have not been following UFOs work and I understand he is doing good work, its just I don't have the time. The same is true of other threads so I apologize for not being up to date on that. I sometime chip in when I think something I am doing is relevant to what they are doing but it isn't always appreciated hehe

The only bucking in my motor is the generator coils, everything else is in attraction.

Your use of inductive kickback is interesting and I will take that into consideration when we get to that stage.

[Tinmanpower]

I will strip the big motor i have down this weekend,and see if it would make for a good conversion.
The stator coil,s need to be wound the correct way,so heres to fingers crossed that they are wound the way we need them to be.
What i mean by this is that some of those old electric motors that have four stator coil's are wound 2 and 2,where others were wound four in series
We need the 2 and 2 wound setup.If not,we have even more work to do.

[john_g]

Hi

Just out of interest. If you google:

AP_Physics_B_-_Electromagnetic_Induction.pptx

And download the ppt, in there slide 15, shows for a north pole magnet withdrawing from a round conductor, the lenz effect is cancelled. May be of use as I hadn't realized this.

Regards

John

[erfinder]

Hi

Just out of interest. If you google:

AP_Physics_B_-_Electromagnetic_Induction.pptx

And download the ppt, in there slide 15, shows for a north pole magnet withdrawing from a round conductor, the lenz effect is cancelled. May be of use as I hadn't realized this.

Regards

John

Opps....

[gyula]

Hi

Just out of interest. If you google:

AP_Physics_B_-_Electromagnetic_Induction.pptx

And download the ppt, in there slide 15, shows for a north pole magnet withdrawing from a round conductor, the lenz effect is cancelled. May be of use as I hadn't realized this.

Regards

John

Hi John,

If I recall correctly the math in this question in slide 15: WHAT SIGN DOES THE “D” GIVE YOU IN FARADAY’S LAW? it is always the absolute value which should be considered both in the flux and also in the denominator for time "t".
In any such "delta" expressions where always the change is considered for a quantity next to the Greek letter "delta", the absolute value of the change is to be used which is always positive.
So I believe the writer of the ppt file errs....

Gyula

[mbrownn]

I will strip the big motor i have down this weekend,and see if it would make for a good conversion.
The stator coil,s need to be wound the correct way,so heres to fingers crossed that they are wound the way we need them to be.
What i mean by this is that some of those old electric motors that have four stator coil's are wound 2 and 2,where others were wound four in series
We need the 2 and 2 wound setup.If not,we have even more work to do.

It is easier to do more experiments if there are four separate coils.

[Tinmanpower]

It is easier to do more experiments if there are four separate coils.

Indeed it is,so hopefuly the wires from one coil to the next have easy access.
In reguards to lenz force-well my thought is that if you dont have it,you can not produce current.
So rather that try to eliminate it,lets use it to our advantage.
SO here is a little info on a setup i called the L.A.G (lenz asisted generator)
This works useing a bucking coil configuration,but only one coil is powered.
The opposite coil is the generator coil.
When the drive coil is pulsed,and the generator coil has a load on it-you get a much stronger magnetic field between the two coil's(as you do with bucking coil arangment)
But two things happen here.
You get a transformer effect within the generator coil from the drive coil,and you also produce a strong magnetic field between the two coil's.
So now the lenz force is between the two coil's,and not the rotor and drive coil.
The magnet on the rotor(being the same field as the drive coil)now gets pushed away harder from the field created by the drive and generator coil.

The magnets on the rotor also generate current in the generator coil when aproaching and leaving the coil-inbetween the pulse.
The good thing about this is,the more you load the generator coil-the more torque you produce on the rotor shaft,while the input current remains the same.

So for one input pulse,we can collect current from the generator coil due to the transformer effect
We can collect current from the generator coil from the generating effect from the magnets on the rotor
And we can also drive another generator from the torque developed from the rotor shaft.

So we have 3 outputs from one input.

I have heard and read from some that the lockridge device had an external generator aswell as the motor generator itself.

In the configuration above,i believe it very possable to make a working device.

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