anything that works?

[RAMSET]

A line in the sand ..Sounds like a deal VC

Back to the beginning,I suppose all here that want to Help you with your quest will be posting Now.................

May the rest of your life be the best of your life and

May you always have LOVE to share, HEALTH to spare and FRIENDS that care...

I'm practicing being nice..............
Chet
But I am sincere !

[velacreations]

May the rest of your life be the best of your life and

May you always have LOVE to share, HEALTH to spare and FRIENDS that care...

thanks Chet, same to you!

[Duncan]

it seems that this was another empty threat...

to err is human .. to post a total load of crap is absolutly divine.. you have my Attention and many others

[Farmhand]

None the less I have attempted to reported the post to the administrators
but keep getting a "no data received" message, if it is allowed with no
repercussions on you then it is open slather,

Twat!
@ Farmhand as you well know I regard you as one of the oppositions most effective “firemen” the fact that you have rushed to Velcro’s defence has done nothing to alter that opinion I have a deal of Respect for Australia and Australians I worked for Baker Perkins and with the guys @ Melbourn for quite a while .. A very enjoyable period even for a Whinging POM
Whinging Pom in Australia - YouTube
There was quite a lot of other things I appreciated about Australia Including the peoples no nonsense approach .. So when you got the needle with my direct assessment of you I considered what you had to say, I then immediately apologised on open forum. That In no way alters my opinion of what you are and what you do. Or who may be paying you to do it, however that is of course just "my opinion" .
As for reporting me on behalf of others … rather like rushing to the school dinner lady Miss Miss I don’t think that’s in order do you?
I don’t like your overtones ... that must be three times now you have intended reporting me to the authorities, well I suspect they opted to be clumsy with the email “In box” Clumsy as demonstrated by this very special Christmas Australian Newspaper cutting....

PERTH - An SAS trooper collecting toys for children was stabbed when he helped stop a suspected shoplifter in east Perth. The ‘Toys-R-Us' Store Manager told 'The West Australian' that a *man was seen on surveillance cameras last Friday putting a laptop under his jacket at the store.

When confronted, the man became irate, knocked down an employee, pulled a knife and ran toward the door. Outside were four SAS Troopers collecting toys for the "Toys For Tots" program. Smith said the Troopers stopped the man, but he stabbed one of them in the back. Fortunately the cut did not appear to be severe.

The suspect however was transported by ambulance to the Royal Perth Hospital with two broken arms, a broken leg, possible broken ribs, multiple contusions, and assorted lacerations including a broken nose and jaw ... *Injuries he apparently sustained when he tripped whilst trying to run after the stabbing. *One of the Troopers said, "He was a clumsy bastard

So given our amount of time is pressured particularly at this time of year do you really think the dinner lady “Miss miss” stuff is really called for? I have the scent of this and its better than a smelly troll, Change sides Farmhand you cannot and will not be able to to live a lie very much longer I suggest you swim to shore before you get blown out of the water! Your support of Velcro speaks volumes to me .. perhaps others too?

What lie am I supposed to be living Duncan ?

Call me a "twat" again Duncan, go on. Why not do it two more times.

See when I was a young kid my mum always told me "sticks and stones will break your bones but name will never hurt you".

Now why don't you insult my mum as well. That is your moral level I guess.

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[Peter Lindemann]

7 Day Forecast

Wishing everyone a Bright Future, a Peaceful Heart, and a Clean Slate!



Welcome to the beginning of the new Long Cycle of the Mayan Calendar.

Forgiveness and Tolerance is a technology that works with massive benefits beyond what the user puts in!

Blessings to Everyone,
Peter

[Duncan]

Peter .. thats a hell of a line you draw ... I love you to bits .. I have paid money to watch you , let us both hope you have it .... totaly ****ed ... I mean that in a nice sorta way

[Aaron]

@Abe

Aaron, you told me that my goal posts were not appropriate. You set the definition for "free energy" for the thread, and I thank you for that. I disagree with your definition, but at least you stated it.

@All - Home - VelaCreations that seems to be Abe's site - found it by simply searching "vela creations" in Google and looking for off the grid references as he claimed - conventional off the grid guy. Good for him, but he obviously has absolutely no concept of non-equilibrium systems.

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Abe,

I don't have to go any further than this to show you're a fraud. Twisting my words is proof of exactly that.

I didn't say your goal posts were not appropriate and to state such a thing shows you are willing to play the misdirection game. I said adding and tweaking your questions bit by bit when they're answered - is a FARCE. That is called MOVING GOALPOSTS.

It is obvious you cannot give an example of what I asked (non-equilibrium system example of inputs vs output showing cop and efficiency differenes - that means you don't understand the distinctions well enough to even know what you're actually asking. Or, you're simply scared to post an example because it will show the common sense facts that there is nothing magical about any of this and than over 1.0 cop systems are all over the place.

It is not my definition of "free energy" that I gave you - it isn't something you make up out of thin air - the definition I gave you IS the definition of what over 1.0 cop means so get over it. Only a fraud would pretend free energy means something else.

If you want anyone to take you serious, answer questions that you are asked to prove you would even understand what you're asking for. Otherwise, you're doing nothing but wasting everyone's time.

Post the calculations to measure the work done lifting the pendulum on a Veljko oscillator please. You can make up a realistic example based on estimating the weights that are based on the proportions of any one of the replications you see. You can figure out the force and the radius of lifting the pendulum up 30-40 degrees around a short radius from the pivot point. Post your understanding of how to calculate that work done, then we can go to the next point. If you can't do this, please don't ask for anything else because you won't understand it even when it is provided.

That is more than a fair request.

[Duncan]

Wishing everyone a Bright Future, a Peaceful Heart, and a Clean Slate!



Welcome to the beginning of the new Long Cycle of the Mayan Calendar.

Forgiveness and Tolerance is a technology that works with massive benefits beyond what the user puts in!

Blessings to Everyone,
Peter

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b4/2112_0.mp3

[Gdez]

overunity?

I agree with Aaron. The TSMO defintely shows overunity. I am still
experimentjng with it, and the trick is---how do you get the power out, without effecting the pendulum, but still adding that little bit of power in? Once you play with the device, you will see that it works. Making it work the way you would like to make it work may take some some abstract thinking though.
Nothing is easy, unless you make it that way.
Happy Holidays,
greg

[mbrownn]

Decorum

Gentlemen, this has to stop.

The powers that be are working to kill free speech all over the net and you are giving them the reason to do it. Posts with personal attacks have no place here, if I was a moderator (no I don't want to be) I would consider deleting them but that is censorship.

If you disagree with what someone says then respectfully do so, stick to facts and back it up with evidence If available.

If you feel you are under attack from someone then respectfully state that their post "appears to you" to be an attack and ask them to clarify.

Sweeping statements invite negative responses.

The tirades of abuse is not only sickening and unpleasant to the person it is aimed at but also the other readers.

This is a public forum thus it is not appropriate to use it for attacks. It is also dedicated to renewable/alternative forms of energy so lets stay on topic too.

[velacreations]

Forgiveness and Tolerance is a technology that works with massive benefits beyond what the user puts in!

Blessings to Everyone,
Peter

Same to you, Peter! I wish you the best for the new year and beyond!

[velacreations]

Gentlemen, this has to stop.

The powers that be are working to kill free speech all over the net and you are giving them the reason to do it. Posts with personal attacks have no place here, if I was a moderator (no I don't want to be) I would consider deleting them but that is censorship.

If you disagree with what someone says then respectfully do so, stick to facts and back it up with evidence If available.

If you feel you are under attack from someone then respectfully state that their post "appears to you" to be an attack and ask them to clarify.

Sweeping statements invite negative responses.

The tirades of abuse is not only sickening and unpleasant to the person it is aimed at but also the other readers.

This is a public forum thus it is not appropriate to use it for attacks. It is also dedicated to renewable/alternative forms of energy so lets stay on topic too.

I completely agree. Let's get back on topic.

[velacreations]

I agree with Aaron. The TSMO defintely shows overunity. I am still
experimentjng with it, and the trick is---how do you get the power out, without effecting the pendulum, but still adding that little bit of power in? Once you play with the device, you will see that it works. Making it work the way you would like to make it work may take some some abstract thinking though.
Nothing is easy, unless you make it that way.
Happy Holidays,
greg

Greg, have you had a chance to take any measurements with your replication? In your estimates of OU, do you also include the energy input of initially starting the pendulum?

I have no doubt that it works, just as a lever works. But I am finding a lack of measured data for the device. I have seen some extraordinary claims for the device, and a lot of those claims come from people who haven't built and/or tested the device. So, it is difficult to get an accurate picture of what it can really do.

I propose a simple test with this device. Measure the total input to pump a set quantity of water a set height. So, say 100l of liter 1m in height. Now, measure the force required to initiate and maintain the pendulum. Then we can compare the input vs output rates to conventional water pumps.

I would greatly appreciate if you could share any measurements or data you have on the device.

[Stealth]

basic instructions

Here are the basic instructions for anyone who wants to build one. Basic Radiant Energy Circuit Good Luck. stealth

[Gdez]

still trying

My latest replica (tsmo360), was meant to have an escapement added on to it to do just what you are asking. While the design is good, I did not make it sturdy enough. An important part of the tsmo is that I has a non movable frame/ base. I am going to try to rebuild it out of all steel, and smaller. The pendulum will still have decent weight to it. Just don't know when I will have time, as I have several other projects I am toying with and I am pretty broke right now.
A good and bad thing about the tsmo is there really isn't a blueprint, so you have to experiment a bit just to build it. You can use your creativity though to build it just about any way you like though, as long as you understand the concept. I started a while back from Panacea's course, peters model builder guide is a good place to start.
a downside about everybody building there own version is that each one is actually different, and will have different results.
I have experimented with water pumping, but didn't really track my results to well. My last pump design (positive displacement), was hard to get linked to the tsmo properly, and started getting too complicated. I will try to do better with more detailed notes and results in all my projects.
I think if I can get another model rolling again, I would like to try and use a centrifugal style pump and a heavy flywheel to keep the power steady. or maybe ratchet up weight to measure difference in power supplied to the pendulum(via escapement) as compared to work done by the lever.
All I can say about adding the initial energy to the pendulum is that I don't care about that part.
If you want something that you just stare at and it provides fe, you probably need to look at other devices than the tsmo. You definitely have to get this one going.
Good luck,
Greg