anything that works?

[velacreations]

any new devices that are working?

[Turion]

Simple device

I started a thread "Basic Free Energy Device" because I have built working prototypes that have a COP>1 or 2 or 3, and thought it was about time we focused on the basics and put together a "basic" machine that everyone interested could replicate and then we could ALL focus on improving that basic model. It goes back to the device John Bedini first showed us, with some modifications of course.

A highly efficient pulse motor
Running a highly efficient generator
Using a circuit that recovers the power used to run the motor
With a flywheel to keep the momentum up and smooth everything out since we would be using a pulse motor.

Matt Jones built a simple two coil version which I replicated that has a COP>2, and that is WITHOUT using the recovery circuit. Matt posted plans for the motor on that thread. He is currently working on the generator, which we HOPE will be even more efficient than the two coil version, but if that does not work out, we may end up showing the two coil version. He has been busy with planting, but will have a few days this next week.

Because the simple two coil version as successful, I began working on a 12 coil version. This was over a year ago. With only the first two coils in place, I did some testing and sent videos back and forth with Matt. My Machine was outputting 130 volts at 1 amp per coil under load and using only one coil. When the second coil was shorted, the machine would speed up.

The current machine has 12 coils and is run by an off the shelf razor scooter motor. Once the machine runs with that motor, it will be replaced by the modified razor scooter motor. But I wanted to eliminate variables, and a modified motor is a variable. I work on it EVERY day. Yesterday one of the magnets came out of the rotor, so it is down until I can get that fixed. I have been working on this thing for over a year, so I know what CAN be done.

12 coils x 130 volts x 1 amp is around 1,560 watts output. The razor scooter motor runs on 24 volts (now) and will burn up if run on more than 10 amps for any period of time, so the input can't be more than 120 watts. And I have burnt up a few motors pushing the limits.

Matt's motor design is simple to build, and plans are posted.
Looke at the generator that speeds up under reactive and inductive loads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJl0TO_aR6M

The output will increase if you pass magnets across the ENDS of the rods instead of BETWEEN the rods.

There is good stuff out there if you search for it.

BUT

Matt's motor won't do it by itself
The generator I posted won't do it by itself
You need the circuit.
You need the flywheel.
You need to put ALL the parts together to get a working device.

WE need each other to bounce ideas off of and move this stuff forward.

Dave

[velacreations]

do you have links to those plans and project details?

[Turion]

The plans for the motor are on the "basic Free Energy Device" thread. Lots of folks have replicated and some are testing the motor right now. It works great. Matt hasn't released the generator he is working on yet, but that is why I posted the video above of a generator I happen to know works. With modifications, it works even better than in the video.

As to the circuit, the simplest one to recover the energy used to run the motor is the simple one used in the Three Battery Generating System" thread. Other folks have posted recovery circuits over the years here. The main idea is to run the motor on the potential difference between two sources of voltage so that it moves from the higher source through the motor to the lower source. And the motor also acts as a generator.

And then there's the flywheel. That's not rocket science.

EVERY one of these things has been disclosed. They just need to be put together. Then they need to be improved on. I haven't released plans for the big generator I built because it isn't working consistently yet, and I have no intention of adding to the list of folks who get other people to do all the testing of their pipe dream.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

No one could afford that thing anyway...LOL

Matt

[Turion]

Big Gen

LOL. That's probably true. It has been a bottomless money pit. But I have learned a lot, and I'm still alive, which is a big plus!

[velacreations]

The plans for the motor are on the "basic Free Energy Device" thread. Lots of folks have replicated and some are testing the motor right now. It works great.

do you have a link to the page of the thread with plans?

Matt hasn't released the generator he is working on yet, but that is why I posted the video above of a generator I happen to know works. With modifications, it works even better than in the video.

As to the circuit, the simplest one to recover the energy used to run the motor is the simple one used in the Three Battery Generating System" thread. Other folks have posted recovery circuits over the years here. The main idea is to run the motor on the potential difference between two sources of voltage so that it moves from the higher source through the motor to the lower source. And the motor also acts as a generator.

And then there's the flywheel. That's not rocket science.

so, is there a link to a documented working devices? I didn't see plans in those threads, just descriptions of what people were trying.

EVERY one of these things has been disclosed. They just need to be put together. Then they need to be improved on. I haven't released plans for the big generator I built because it isn't working consistently yet, and I have no intention of adding to the list of folks who get other people to do all the testing of their pipe dream.

funny, if I had something that actually worked, I'd be letting everyone know.

[Turion]

Twice now I've told you the plans for the motor are on the "Basic Free Energy Device" thread, but you want ME to go there and look it up for you and post it? I don't think so. There are enough people on these forums who expect to be spoon fed everything and aren't willing to do the work themselves. We don't need another one.

I gave you a link to the video of a working generator. If you can't figure out how to build it from that video, and a little bit of research into the Leedskalnin's PMH, I don't know what to tell you.

The 3BGS thread is a long one, but like I said, a simple circuit is discussed there. Not the BEST one, but a circuit. The circuit is described in the first post there. Again, you SHOULD read the thread because of the information it gives you.

There are folks here who have seen stuff work have put in the time and effort, done the research and spent the money, and you expect it to be given to you on a silver platter. Really? I have better things to do than go back through the stew and pick out the meat for you. Sorry.

When Matt finally releases the plans for the generator, that is what is going to happen, but if you want it before that, you're going to have to do some work on your own. Or don't. You wanted to know if there are working devices and the answer is "yes."

One thing I want to be clear on, what Matt will be releasing is still a BASIC device. It proves the concept. It is not the BEST possible combination, but we wanted something that proved the point conclusively enough that nobody who built it properly could possibly deny that it's for real. It needed to be relatively inexpensive so more people could build it, and simple enough that the average guy could replicate it. It is definitely not as complex as the unit I have been building and has us beating our heads against the wall on a daily basis. But then I KNOW this stuff is for real, so I know the head pounding will eventually pay off.

Dave

Oh, and I know from experience that when I won't give it to you gift wrapped, you're going to say I really don't have anything in the package. I understand that. I know how people think. But that's not my problem and it's not my loss is it?

[RUE]

Dave,
I agree about not releasing until you are sure it will work good and can be replicated easily.Glad to hear that you are still moving forward with this stuff.
Matt I am sure is really busy right now with everything.Busy time of year for us as we are farmers also.Hope you Guys are doing well.

[velacreations]

Twice now I've told you the plans for the motor are on the "Basic Free Energy Device" thread, but you want ME to go there and look it up for you and post it?

Well, I didn't see any plans, I see a lot of discussion about stuff, but no plans. You said the plans were there, and I asked you for a link to plans, I'm just wondering why you won't just post a link?

I gave you a link to the video of a working generator. If you can't figure out how to build it from that video, and a little bit of research into the Leedskalnin's PMH, I don't know what to tell you.

Have you built one?

There are folks here who have seen stuff work have put in the time and effort, done the research and spent the money, and you expect it to be given to you on a silver platter. Really? I have better things to do than go back through the stew and pick out the meat for you. Sorry.

No, I just expect people to back up what they say. If they say something works or something exists, I expect them to provide at least a little shred of evidence, a link is not asking for much. You act like posting a link is a big deal. You spent more time typing out your last reply than it would have taken to post a link to the plans you claim exist.

You wanted to know if there are working devices and the answer is "yes."

Weird, I can't find any actually working, even on those threads, there are tons of people trying to make them work...

"Hey, I have free energy! I did it, we are all free!"
"oh yeah, can you show me?"
"WHAT?!?!?! You want me to spoon feed you?"

This thread is about actual, existing, working devices. Don't tell me "they're out there", post a link to actual plans, better yet, credible evidence that it works. If you don't have it, fine, no big deal, but don't come here acting like you do.

If you look at MY posts, I post things with full instructions on how to replicate the device, complete with photos, details, etc. Here, I have a whole collection of them: Homesteading How Tos - Off Grid Guides and Tutorials

See how easy that was? Copy, paste, took me all of 1 second.

[citfta]

OK,

I am going to try and help you out some. If you will, go to the first post in the 3BGS thread. That is the 3 battery generating system thread, then read several times the first post so that you understand exactly what Dave is saying then you have a starting point for a system that can work.

Next you need to go to this post: http://www.energeticforum.com/269465-post409.html. Do the work Matt tells you to do to modify the scooter motor to make it a more efficient and powerful motor. You use this motor with the 3BGS system. And yes I have built the motor and the 3BGS.

Then if you will look closely at the video Dave gave you the link to you will have an idea of how to make a generator that will work. And Dave told you how to make it work even better. I am working on that generator now.

Now if you get into actually doing any of this you can come to my thread "Open discussion for projects on this forum" and ask for help and I will try to help. Or you can go to Dave's thread "Basic Free Energy Device" and ask Dave or Matt to help. If you are not willing to work and learn then don't bother to ask any of us for help.

By the way it took me over 10 minutes to find the post I linked to, and I knew it was there.

Respectfully,
Carroll