I’ve had enough of this crap!

[Duncan]

So spark it! I had an old DVD which I found quite interesting in contained a short demonstration video on the work of Ruggero Santilli I decided to transcribe the video into a shareable format and post it on you tube. It seems to be getting an unexpected amount of hits.
I am also getting quite a lot of enquires as to what may be happening here, and could it be done on a domestic scale?
My chemistry is woeful so I was rather hoping someone with a bit more nous could expand, there seems to be a Historical progression to this “Invention” including yet another disappeared (presumed dead) free energy researcher to join the Many
first the Video
VTS_03_1.flv - YouTube

The current commercial versions of this equipment are operating for the benefit of large corporations and municipalities they are manufactured as 100KW units and are installed in Sweden and Greece’s international airports and various municipalities It is made very clear in this video that Joe public is not going to get his hands on this as a prime producer..
Fox News MagneGas Video - YouTube
of course Its all been done before here's a track back through time
François P Cornish was issued British Patent 0055134A1 in 1982 for this version for driving trucks and cars Francois joins the huge list of disappeared free energy researchers
Cornish Hydrogen Generator - KeelyNet 01/10/02
Spin the clock back further to1889 and US patent no 603,058 issued to Eldridge Clark and Blum
Patent US603058 - ELECTRICAL RETORT - Google Patents
Am I not looking at the same beasts in every instance ? My question is what is chemically happening and can this be turned into a viable domestic construct? that is obviously what Eldridge Clark and Blum had in mind in 1889, It is of absolutely no benefit to humanity in the hands of the corporations and t.p.t.b .. because of course you'll just get shafted again I welcome your comments I might then be able to answer some of these questions Duncan

[john_g]

Hi Duncan

Just out of interest, apparently if aluminum is treated with mercury chloride, it will then react with water to produce hydrogen, as the self oxidizing property of the aluminum is inhibited. I remember reading a few years ago about a car that would run on a handful of aluminum shavings - wondered if that is how it was done. Like you chemistry isn't my forte. Very interesting the carbon arc underwater - wonder what the amp draw is?

Regards

John

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
I have not read the links but if aluminum and mercury is involved then I suppose the explanation is simple. There are many youtube videos where you can see what mercury does to aluminum, it dissoves into it like aluminum was a spnge and mercury was water. This makes the aluminum lose its ability to make oxide and protect itself from water. Then it reacts with water leaving aluminum oxide or something, but releasing hydrogen, just as john_g said. The same can be done using gallium which is liquid at about 30 degree celsius but is non toxic. But it is rather expensive. The best part is that the gallium or mercury which ever you use, is not consumed in the process and can be recollected after the reaction, but it is juts very hard to seperate it out from all that gunk. That is the only problem. I experimented with this on a very small scale few years ago and it works. There are other methods, for example by using NaOH or KOH, these chemicals will make the water extremely alkaline and will eat off the aluminum oxide layer as it forms, but in this case yje leftover gunk will be more complex mix and the KOH or NaOH will still be consumed, so you need two consumables instead of just one when mercuty or gallium is used. Hope this helps.

[Duncan]

Hi Duncan

Just out of interest, apparently if aluminum is treated with mercury chloride, it will then react with water to produce hydrogen, as the self oxidizing property of the aluminum is inhibited. I remember reading a few years ago about a car that would run on a handful of aluminum shavings - wondered if that is how it was done. Like you chemistry isn't my forte. Very interesting the carbon arc underwater - wonder what the amp draw is?

Regards

John

I really don't know however as the South African François P Cornish ran cars and trucks with this arrangement and has the certified testing of BMW documented along with the patent we can be pretty certain it was self sustaining. Perhaps a bit of pencil work on those numbers can give a rough answer.

[RAMSET]

Santilli Magnagas

Duncan
We had a fellow Trumpeting Meyer,Santilli [magnagas], Correa bros
for quite some time.

He talked me out of pursueing these Types of OU. due to Safety issues and other possible problems.

Chet

[Duncan]

Duncan
We had a fellow Trumpeting Meyer,Santilli [magnagas], Correa bros
for quite some time.

He talked me out of pursueing these Types of OU. due to Safety issues and other possible problems.

Chet

Hi Chet nice to hear from you . I couldn't really comment one way or another from that first clip I posted the guys saying the only by product is oxygen and the machine could be run in the home with no chimenny. I did a little digging around François though and the historical events of the time need to be taken into consideration. The apartheid struggle in South Africa was in full flood.
South Africa was in all respects with the exception of oil self sufficient (or capable of being so)
Political pressure was applied in the form of an Oil Embargo under an initiative lead by Henry Kissinger.
South Africa which was and still is coal rich responded by building and enlarging cracking plants along the Transvaal and orange free state coal seams In order to negate the sanctions this is one of those plants

South Africa and its government was obviously no longer interested in playing ball with “big oil”
during this period much was done to promote (real) fuel efficiency and find alternatives for obvious reasons. François was engaged at SASOL Secunda and actively funded and helped with his research. As for the toxic or safety aspects I really cant say I would think at the time if it kept the tanks,trains and lorries moving I doubt they would be worried about some residue mangaloid whatever and simply buried it in the velt . however I really can't see sweden or Greece installing these things in their national airports if there is any real unresolved issue.

[RAMSET]

A misunderstanding

Duncan
Always a pleasure to read you !

No the safety was two fold and none of it a concern for your mentioned installations.

"things" happen during theses types of experiments that require
Extra caution [once you get things working proper].
Ultimately these process's open doors and understandings that
some feel very uncomfortable with [in the world as we presently know it ].

I try not to play in these areas ,but I suppose like it or not
a bit of "this or that" can happen at times.[little accidental PAGD at times !:.}

Good topic
"things that work" and the whynots?
Thx
Chet

[Duncan]

Hi all.
I have not read the links but if aluminum and mercury is involved then I suppose the explanation is simple. There are many youtube videos where you can see what mercury does to aluminum, it dissoves into it like aluminum was a spnge and mercury was water. This makes the aluminum lose its ability to make oxide and protect itself from water. Then it reacts with water leaving aluminum oxide or something, but releasing hydrogen, just as john_g said. The same can be done using gallium which is liquid at about 30 degree celsius but is non toxic. But it is rather expensive. The best part is that the gallium or mercury which ever you use, is not consumed in the process and can be recollected after the reaction, but it is juts very hard to seperate it out from all that gunk. That is the only problem. I experimented with this on a very small scale few years ago and it works. There are other methods, for example by using NaOH or KOH, these chemicals will make the water extremely alkaline and will eat off the aluminum oxide layer as it forms, but in this case yje leftover gunk will be more complex mix and the KOH or NaOH will still be consumed, so you need two consumables instead of just one when mercuty or gallium is used. Hope this helps.

Wow Jetijs that sounds like an alarming chemical goo your talking about there. It sounds rather like the medicine is worse than the disease.! However the clip from the museum has the guy saying all is sweetness and light. I don’t really know what is happening here with carbon rods or aluminium and so I've just assembled the clips and tried to get a chronological order. I'm rather hoping some thing useful will emerge once its been kicked up and down the field a few times.
We'll see for the injection of knowledge
.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Why don't you ask

Hi Duncan, why don't you ask me, look on my web site and see the video showing this WITHOUT THE ARC and heavey current. No carbon electrodes either, the carbon comes from CO2 in the form of carbon black, you can see it in my video, not all the carbon is converted into a hydrocarbon gas, the excess falls to the bottom.

This still needs work on it but should be a viable system in the future, just needs more investment and my time.

Look very hard at the video as to what is happening.

Mike

[Duncan]

Oh dear perhaps I shouldn't have opened this particular box Chet OOps

[Michael John Nunnerley]

link

Here is the link

http://www.centraflow.yolasite.com/

Mike

[Duncan]

Hi Duncan, why don't you ask me, look on my web site and see the video showing this WITHOUT THE ARC and heavey current. No carbon electrodes either, the carbon comes from CO2 in the form of carbon black, you can see it in my video, not all the carbon is converted into a hydrocarbon gas, the excess falls to the bottom.

This still needs work on it but should be a viable system in the future, just needs more investment and my time.

Look very hard at the video as to what is happening.

Mike

Thanks MJN .. I'll wizz over and take a look! as you can see I had a fair bit of back ground and history stacked up, I thought I'd put it together and post it for consideration this seems to already be a well tried and tested commercial system. The ambition of course is to make it simple and viable for easy home construction

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Look for this

The three electrodes are SS 316, but note the colour change as it is working, and see the ring of carbon black that has fallen to the bottom of the center electrode. This is SMD as I call it and the gases produced are hydrocarbons.

MIke

[vrand]

Oh dear perhaps I shouldn't have opened this particular box Chet OOps

Interesting plasma device photo, thanks for sharing, where can find more info on it? Cheers

[Duncan]

Hi vrand Its stolen from this thread correa's pagd in ACTION