riddle me this batman... a leedskalnin riddle?

[logos]

happy holidays true believers!

i have a question for everyone here that has come across my research in leedskalnin's work and i could really use some insight...

what can generate current, specifically from the air and even on a small scale, without using magnets?

i think this is connected to the tripods as i've been trying to see if through ED's pics if there was some connection to the generator, finding none... the only hting i've seen is something that might look like a ground.

i asked my girlfriend this question and she immediatly starting rubbing her hands together mentioning static electricity. bless her!

all help would be appreciated and i'm wondering if somehting like a joule thief comes to mind... or somethng like Chris Carson's motor.... or tesla's radiant collector. tesla's radiant energy collector even used a ground as i recall and i'm wondering if something in that box on top of the tripod was collecting some small current that ed was able to increase it's capacity and then manipulate.

i will be sharing all my findings soon with everyone here on the site, and the world for that matter, but before i send everyone on another wild goose chase trying to replicate this or that, i'm gonna try to put the mechanics to my physics as best that i can if for no other reason than to eliminate some options.

any help, thoughts, ideas or reference would be greatly appreciated in regards to the generator.

Thanks
Bless...

[Michelinho]

Hi logos,

i think this is connected to the tripods as i've been trying to see if through ED's pics if there was some connection to the generator, finding none... the only hting i've seen is something that might look like a ground.

The tripod you see in some pictures is the sky hook to anchor his chain block which if I recall well was rated at 5 tons. The box at the juncture of the tripod where the wire goes in is the mystery. Was he magnetizing his chains to make them tougher or for other purposes we might never know. He was an intriguing man with many secrets.

Take care,

Michel

[Ernst]

Riddle me this....

You already mentioned Tesla's radiant energy collector.
How would you improve that?



The air is under normal circumstances an excellent insulator. So there can be many small charges everywhere creating minute islands of HV static electricity. Perfectly useless.
But if you could make this air conducting, that situation changes and a much larger portion of 'passing' static electricity could be made available...

Does that help?

Ernst.

[logos]

Riddle me this....

You already mentioned Tesla's radiant energy collector.
How would you improve that?



The air is under normal circumstances an excellent insulator. So there can be many small charges everywhere creating minute islands of HV static electricity. Perfectly useless.
But if you could make this air conducting, that situation changes and a much larger portion of 'passing' static electricity could be made available...

Does that help?

Ernst.

in fact it does and thanks for your feedback...

after writing this post i sat and read some of the updates on the forum, and found this thread.. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post219005

and a post by peter linderman which is closer to giving me the answer i think....

Dear Velacreations,


The TRICK for making it work is what I call the "insulation protocol". The elevated wire is best if it is bare. It must be suspended on glass insulators, like old soda bottles. Even the outside "shiny surface" of a PVC pipe will discharge the energy. The capacitor must be insulated to 10kv, with very low leakage. The elevated wire coming into the capacitor must not touch anything except the air, the glass insulators and the capacitor connection. Even the moisture in a wooden base will discharge the energy. The ground connection must be a significant copper bar sunk into the ground a couple of feet.

Set the spark gap to about .015" to keep the voltages down and use a full-wave bridge instead of a single diode.

The length of the elevated wire, its height off the ground, and the local weather conditions will determine the amount of energy available at any given time. Conditions with an overcast sky, still air and high humidity work the worst. Sunny, low humidity conditions work well, but certain foggy conditions with a slight breeze, or even cold, light snow fall, can produce ferocious outputs. People can get hurt under these circumstances, so a second, safety spark-gap directly to ground, is usually installed.

,
Peter

the mistake that we are making is once again linked to our programming thus making us think inside the box...

Ed states OVER and OVER again that MAGNETISM and NOT electricity is the real force... i.e. the REAL energy that is dong work. a couple of quotes that spring to mind without looking at my notes for example are "all currents are alternating currents", " the pwer line itself is a small generator" and so on...

then i look at Peter's post above, talking about bare wire, insulated with glass, and cant help recalling WTF all those glass jars wrapped in wires were in ED's home. AND the fact that in ed's pic of himself turning the generator it really looks like a glass botle wrapped in wires perched on top of the pipe coing out of the ground next to the flywheel.. ANd the fact that there are a BUNCH of old broken radios littered all over ed's workshop!

WHAT IF, that we are thining about stuff like the radiant energy collector wrong... and what i mean is, according to Ed, electricity is a result of magnetism. if static type apparatuses generate electricity on ANY scale.... then that means that they are ABLE to manipulate ED's north and south pole magnets!


i guess now i have to learn about OLD tesla/marconi radios and how they work ( cue E.P. DOllard!! ) although i'm horrible and reading and understanding circuits!

[logos]

something like this
Weekend Projects - Bottle Radio - YouTubeWeekend Projects - Bottle Radio - YouTube

[logos]

also...
How to Make a Foxhole Radio - YouTube

[logos]

and if there is any doubt,

page 39 of magnetic current, 5th line from the end " The radio waves are made from North and South pole magnets."

[Ernst]

Ed states OVER and OVER again that MAGNETISM and NOT electricity is the real force...

I would say that all empirical and mathematical evidence goes against this statement. Looking at it from a matematical point of view it is impossible to tell which is the cause and which the effect. But there is one important difference between electricity and magnetism:
there is electric charge (monopoles) and there is no magnetic charge (monopoles).
For this reason alone there is no other option than to conclude that electricity is the cause and magnetism is the effect (of moving charge).
But as this does not go against the quoted statement in the most strict sense I would very much like to know what this statement is based on. ie. what emperical evidence.
(that is not just someone saying this or that, no matter how often)

Supply my this, batman.

Ernst.

[Iotayodi]

You can take dc current to make a magnet. Using dc current to exceed the metals saturation point you can make it explode. So which quantity is greater the magnetic force or the electric force?

A pulsed low voltage dc current has a more intense magnetic field than a pulsed high voltage dc current. Why?
Seems to me the quantity of either magnetic force or electric force compared to each other dictates what will happen. Apparently you cant separate the two completely.

Around 6 foot vertically there is a 100 volt potential. At 12 foot a 200 volt potential and so on. The atmosphere has both negative and positive ions with the positive having a slightly higher count.

Always wanted to try this. The 2 hemispheres being 2 different metals.

[Ernst]

You can take dc current to make a magnet. Using dc current to exceed the metals saturation point you can make it explode. So which quantity is greater the magnetic force or the electric force?

Never seen that happen. Did see currents evaporate wires,

A pulsed low voltage dc current has a more intense magnetic field than a pulsed high voltage dc current. Why?

Because voltage has nothing to do with creating magnetic fields, it is an electric charge displacement (current) which causes a magnetic field.

Seems to me the quantity of either magnetic force or electric force compared to each other dictates what will happen. Apparently you cant separate the two completely.

Yes you can. You can have an electric field without simultanuously creating a magnatic field. In fact every static electric field is such.

Always wanted to try this. The 2 hemispheres being 2 different metals.

That will be even more interesting if one of those metals is radioactive (ionising the air around it) and the other one a very light metal (aluminium). That will certainly produce some result.

Ernst.

[Iotayodi]

Yes you can. You can have an electric field without simultanuously creating a magnatic field. In fact every static electric field is such.

An electric field that changes with time, such as due to the motion of charged particles in the field, influences the local magnetic field. That is, the electric and magnetic fields are not completely separate phenomena; what one observer perceives as an electric field, another observer in a different frame of reference perceives as a mixture of electric and magnetic fields. For this reason, one speaks of "electromagnetism" or "electromagnetic fields". In quantum electrodynamics, disturbances in the electromagnetic fields are called photons, and the energy of photons is quantized.

Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because voltage has nothing to do with creating magnetic fields, it is an electric charge displacement (current) which causes a magnetic field.

This statement had to do with a collapsing magnetic field and spark gaps.

"A pulsed low voltage dc current has a more intense magnetic field than a pulsed high voltage dc current. Why?"

Well if a current flow is caused by pressure and voltage is pressure, then the voltage is still in the loop. Still why would a low voltage pushing high or low amps create a more intense magnetic field. Thinking about this it may be that the lower voltage/ pressure moves current slower past a given point making the colaspe slower as well as having a lower saturation point within the given metal.

if one of those metals is radioactive (ionising the air around it)

Now you got me wondering if a low voltage spark gap within the hemisphere would work.
.

[Ernst]

Now you got me wondering if a low voltage spark gap within the hemisphere would work.
.

Why don't you try it?

Ernst.

[logos]

I would say that all empirical and mathematical evidence goes against this statement. Looking at it from a matematical point of view it is impossible to tell which is the cause and which the effect. But there is one important difference between electricity and magnetism:
there is electric charge (monopoles) and there is no magnetic charge (monopoles).
For this reason alone there is no other option than to conclude that electricity is the cause and magnetism is the effect (of moving charge).
But as this does not go against the quoted statement in the most strict sense I would very much like to know what this statement is based on. ie. what emperical evidence.
(that is not just someone saying this or that, no matter how often)

Supply my this, batman.

Ernst.

in leedskalnin's writings, the reference to the north and south pole magnets is not the same as magnetic poles... i think this "phrase" was used because of a lack of a better terminology. he was implying that these "magnets" were what caused electricity/magnetism, and that the actual CAUSE was the movement of the magnets.

the (empiracle ) evidence you are talking about DOES exist... in the form of a 1200 ton castle in homestead florida!

the whole leedskalnin theory of physics is really not based on the sciences with which we are accustomed to. i've spent over a whole year dissecting his writings and what i've come up with is a root type of knowledge based on his discoveries. kind of like the origin of the egg/chicken dilemma.

[logos]

An electric field that changes with time, such as due to the motion of charged particles in the field, influences the local magnetic field. That is, the electric and magnetic fields are not completely separate phenomena; what one observer perceives as an electric field, another observer in a different frame of reference perceives as a mixture of electric and magnetic fields. For this reason, one speaks of "electromagnetism" or "electromagnetic fields". In quantum electrodynamics, disturbances in the electromagnetic fields are called photons, and the energy of photons is quantized.

Electric field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



This statement had to do with a collapsing magnetic field and spark gaps.



Well if a current flow is caused by pressure and voltage is pressure, then the voltage is still in the loop. Still why would a low voltage pushing high or low amps create a more intense magnetic field. Thinking about this it may be that the lower voltage/ pressure moves current slower past a given point making the colaspe slower as well as having a lower saturation point within the given metal.



Now you got me wondering if a low voltage spark gap within the hemisphere would work.
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i have a question for you then... if you COULD generate some form of field with static electricity, would there be a way to amplify this field?

thinking about ed's structures, whatever he was doing with his tripods, is probably directly related to his use of HIGH amounts of iron within his working area leading all the way up through the roof of the structure in the form of what likes like an iron plate protruding thru the roof. (check the attachment) also the anagram in a book in every home points to this as well

[logos]

sorry about the low res picture... i haven't found a better quality picture of this particular view of the castle