The GEGENE : a Great Efficiency GENErator with a Tesla bifilar coil

[Armagdn03]

This definitely needs investigated.

This definitely will not happen. Not that its not a good thought, but its just simply not how inductive transfer works.

[Dave45]

This definitely will not happen. Not that its not a good thought, but its just simply not how inductive transfer works.

Could you be more specific

[wrtner]

Jean-Louis latest run appears to use a coil where the two conductors
lie side by side rather than one on top of the other:
TEST #18 : Test of the GEGENE with a QUARTZ HEATER and a new Tesla coil

I would have thought that the first conductor would shield the
magnetic field from the second.

[Armagdn03]

Could you be more specific

Absolutely, I should have elaborated, apologies.

The energy received by the pick up coil will, because of proximity, re emit a antiphase signal back to the receiver (phase angle 180 degrees difference, which can be changed by use of hysteresis or physical distance between pickup and transmitter, but that is a story for another time). This signal will destructively interfere with the transmitter and reduce its signal strength (BEMF or CEMF). If they are properly matched to one another, you will have satisfied the maximum power transmission theorem, and you will have an optimal transfer of energy. This is the best possible match for transferring energy. Adding an additional coil will not allow you to pick up anymore, and could even detract from optimal.

Sometimes I see people make the following mistake. They have a source of signal (transmitter) and a receiver. They see that they can pick up a certain amount of energy and think...."what if I add another receiver?". They add another one and WOW! they can pick up more than they could before! However what has happened is that the initial receiver was not correctly matched and was not picking up all it could. Now the second receiver brings it closer to optimal, and they get closer to the limit of what can be received. They could pick up the same amount of signal with one receiver (instead of two) if they had properly chosen the correct characteristics for the initial receiver in the first place.

An interesting thing to note is that if you have two eccentric resonant coils (they do not share a common center like most transformers) they do not necessarily need to be a 100% match in terms of their construction details. The spacing between them can affect each of their capacitances with respect to one another. There will be a balancing point where the two coils meet in agreement, and energy is optimally shared. This means that for wireless energy transfer, there is a optimal distance for various resonant structures. Too close, and you are not optimal, too far and you are not optimal. This is VERY closely related to the 3 coil setup of Dr Stiffler, and the steel ball bearing demonstration given by David in the Primer Fields 1 video.

I hope that explains a little better!

Andrew

[bblindman@gmail.com]

Gegene experiment OU?

Guys,
It's my first post ever on this forum. I finished an electro-mechanical university 20 yrs ago. I truly believe in OU and not believe in Einstein's postulate, BUT!!!
what JLN showed pretending it's OU is a BS beyond imagination, here is why:
1. measuring output with an oscilloscope zoomed at max amplitude is BS, he has a amplitude modulation there, he measured just for the 20khz where the 50Hz signal was at his PEAK. From here we get a divide by 2 at least, it's common sense!
2. making the same experiment with 2 different loads (halogens and electric quartz heater) and getting different COP? smells a bit, don't u think?
3. He did correct the calorimetric measurment, that shows max 96%, that's the truth
Again BUT:
getting 96% by putting a pancake coil over another????? with air as the core that's almost a miracle, very cheap and efficient transformer! Tesla knew what he was doing because he used this kind of coils when he worked for a telegraph company, that kind of coils where used as finals, with a single wire through air and the earth itself for closing the circuit, hmmm, sounds familiar?
Ok, let's understand some facts:
1. filaments are brighter with increasing frequency, that why many ppl think they have OU while staring at lights.
2. LEDs are not good for showing OU, these devices are weird, we even have organic leds now, be careful guys!
3. resistive Loads are best, like the calorimetric one JLN did.

My undersanding of the "untold" physics:
1. B-EMF is a reaction, we could make it lower, like gun barrels use the muzzle breaks for lower recoil
2. Think of the real speed of electrons (charge carriers) in copper: cm/h, awww, but how we get effects at almost lightspeed? because charge carriers are not compressible in metals, so we do a work at one end and we get same work at the other end, NO POSSIBILITY FOR OU whatsoever, except playing with point 1.
3. Think of the real speed of charge carriers in gases: very high, and they are compress-able. Does that ring a bell? What happens with an experiment of Hemholtz when he blew in a bottle through a smaller neck? he measured a lower pressure in the bottle than surrounding pressure after blow-back! What if?
4. Electric fields are energy fields created by charge separation, no one says HOW (with what work) we do the charge separation, charges have mass, Faraday's dynamo used centrifugal force to do charge separation, WHAT IF AN ELECTROSCOPE and a condenser only with dielectric (without plates) is the answer for a reaction-less work?

This induction cooker is really a solid state Faraday dynamo, i measured a pot between center and margin: about 200mv max. I did a Faraday dynamo and rotated the thing with 8000 rpm, i got about 72mV. 200/70 =about 3 x 8000 is ab 24000 HZ , that;s the measured frequency of my cooker (rosenstein & sohne). I did some efficiency measurements: over 90%, VERY GOOD. We can start from here, but i STFU for now, waiting for your replies!

All the best

[bblindman@gmail.com]

Gegene OU?

AHH and i forgot! If any of us gets 2.80 COP in electricity, why in the name of God would he use that extra energy for splitting water? What's the best usable energy form on the planet? Don't tell me hidrogen, PLEASE, i blow up ).

[Ein~+ein]

I truly believe in OU and not believe in Einstein's postulate, BUT!!! what JLN showed pretending it's OU is a BS beyond imagination...

Vhat evidence iz zhere for your belief in zis OU? Zhere is no science vizout incontrovertible evidence.

be·lief /biˈlēf/ [n.]: An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction. Synonyms: faith, trust, confidence, persuasion, credence

Looks like JLN labs has done it again, this time with Thane Heins' ReGen-X. Why go through the effort to replicate an effect, publish a 20 pg report but fail to measure efficiency or torque:
Conclusions of the ReGenX replications (feb-march 2013)
The Thane C. Heins Regenerative Acceleration Effect (RAE) from PDI has been replicated successfully in the RAG devices. Efficiency and torque measurements have not yet been conducted. The series of tests measurements have confirmed that :
● when the ReGen output coils are loaded : the RPM increases and the power input drops, this is the Regenerative Acceleration Effect.
● higher the number of loaded ReGen coils is, higher the RAE effect is. The RAE effect is cumulative.
● a battery connected on a ReGen coil can be recharged while the other Regen coils and the main rotor provide power. More datas results and videos of the experiments at : The Delayed Lenz Effect exploration and tests Jean-Louis Naudin – ReGenX replication TESTS REPORT MARCH 2013 - The JLN Labs home page

[Ein~+ein]

I truly believe in OU and not believe in Einstein's postulate, BUT!!! what JLN showed pretending it's OU is a BS beyond imagination...

Vhat evidence iz zhere for your belief in zis OU? Zhere is no science vizout incontrovertible evidence.

be·lief /biˈlēf/ [n.]: An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction. Synonyms: faith, trust, confidence, persuasion, credence

Looks like JLN labs has done it again! This time with Thane Heins' ReGen-X. Why why go through the effort to replicate an effect that no one (?) disputes, publish a 20 pg report and fail to measure what is contested---the efficiency and torque:

Conclusions of the ReGenX replications (feb-march 2013)
The Thane C. Heins Regenerative Acceleration Effect (RAE) from PDI has been replicated successfully in the RAG devices. Efficiency and torque measurements have not yet been conducted. The series of tests measurements have confirmed that :
● when the ReGen output coils are loaded : the RPM increases and the power input drops, this is the Regenerative Acceleration Effect.
● higher the number of loaded ReGen coils is, higher the RAE effect is. The RAE effect is cumulative.
● a battery connected on a ReGen coil can be recharged while the other Regen coils and the main rotor provide power. More datas results and videos of the experiments at : The Delayed Lenz Effect exploration and tests Jean-Louis Naudin – ReGenX replication TESTS REPORT MARCH 2013 - The JLN Labs home page

I presume he's paid for these 'replication services' as everything looks very professional; obviously intended to influence belief.

Here's what Farmhand (OverunityResearch.com) posted:

I'm suspicious of Naudin, what does he do ? He seems to just present apparent OU but never follows it up.
If he in fact had an OU device, just one out of the many devices he shows, why would he not follow it up
and get independent testing so as to prove the extra energy beyond doubt.

Also he mentions Utikin, who I think is disinfo (just my opinion) I think there is a group of buddy buddy scientific types
doing high class disinfo. The Iranian guy Keshe, Meyl, Naudin, Utikin, Don Smith, the list goes on.
None of them have actually proved any OU. If even one of them has actual OU then it would be ground breaking stuff
and yet they do little to nothing to actually prove anything.

Set the arrangement up and organize a qualified independent test person or two and lets see the result.

I can only assume that given there is no proven OU from Naudin in the past, that this is just another, more of the same.

If people believe this is real then people should be taking steps to replicate it. And show better evidence.

My question is what is the purpose of these people ? Because it's not to prove OU.
If they had OU and wanted to prove it they just would.

I'm not believing it. What happened to all his other "apparent OU" devices, was the OU not good enough ?

Things don't add up to me.

[boguslaw]

So called dispacement current inside capacitor can do work without energy input if I good remember one treatise I once had read...

[wrtner]

AHH and i forgot! If any of us gets 2.80 COP in electricity, why in the name of God would he use that extra energy for splitting water? What's the best usable energy form on the planet? Don't tell me hidrogen, PLEASE, i blow up ).

It can make sense if you shake the water molecule into H2 and O2 with
little consumption of power. Water fracturing rather than electrolysis
which is relatively crude.

See Chapter 10:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk

[Farmhand]

So called dispacement current inside capacitor can do work without energy input if I good remember one treatise I once had read...

How can the displacement current even happen with out energy involved ?

Such a statement is more or less saying that work can be obtained from nothing
(work is energy) . Which would add to the Universe, in other words it's a way of
saying something can be made form nothing.

Just because we don't see it or recognize the energy input doesn't mean there is none.

Something must cause the displacement current to happen. For a
displacement current to happen there needs to be a potential difference
applied to the capacitor a potential difference is potential energy if it is
tapped it is real energy. It takes energy to create a potential difference.
Maybe not energy from our own input but still energy.

Cheers

[shylo]

Plates

Hi , timing is uncanny,..
Wrtner, that chapter 10 link (I'm only as far as pg4).
I tried usuing the steel laminates from a MOT,but are they coated with insulation? Does it matter if the plates are insulated?
I believe in the law of Conservation, but we waste so much
You can utilize more work .
Different X's give better results,without putting anymore draw on the supply.
Excellent thread folks.
shylo

[Farmhand]

Yes Shylo, I think 2nd the Law of thermodynamics probably does hold up if
things are considered. I might be mixing up my laws I'm no University trained
professor on the subject, but to show the 2nd law doesn't hold up we would
need to first demonstrate a truly closed system I think. Then show an decrease
of entropy in there or something ?

Anyway I have an induction cooker but when it turns on it comes on at 1800 Watts
power level. I wouldn't mind trying the experiment myself as any
hopeful skeptic should. But the cooker works good and is useful as a cooker I
don't want to ruin it.

I think I'll pull it apart and have a look at it first, count turns ect.

Cheers

[wrtner]

Hi , timing is uncanny,..
Wrtner, that chapter 10 link (I'm only as far as pg4).
I tried using the steel laminates from a MOT,but are they coated with insulation? Does it matter if the plates are insulated?

They are usually varnished to cut down eddy currrents. What are
you using them for?

[blackchisel97]

Yes Shylo, I think 2nd the Law of thermodynamics probably does hold up if
things are considered. I might be mixing up my laws I'm no University trained
professor on the subject, but to show the 2nd law doesn't hold up we would
need to first demonstrate a truly closed system I think. Then show an decrease
of entropy in there or something ?

Anyway I have an induction cooker but when it turns on it comes on at 1800 Watts
power level. I wouldn't mind trying the experiment myself as any
hopeful skeptic should. But the cooker works good and is useful as a cooker I
don't want to ruin it.

I think I'll pull it apart and have a look at it first, count turns ect.

Cheers

Hello Farmhand.
You'll not ruin it but the results may disappoint you, unless your measuring method will allow for an error. This can only be very efficient transfer between two coils but nothing more. Not with this setup. There may be a way but I didn't get there yet and cannot speculate about the outcome.
You may need to fool your cooker by placing shortly piece of metal between two coils and quickly removing it. Otherwise cooker may not start sensing no load.

Regards
Vtech