Joseph Papp, Air Inert Gas Design, by Heinz Klostermann

[pmazz850]

Regarding the catalyst,
It would seem that the reduction catalyst in a car converter could work as its job is to rip apart nitrous oxide by holding onto the nitrogen while oxygen is ripped away. The reduction catalyst contains platinum and rhodium.
But, in order for a catalytic converter to do its job, it has to be hot.

@Tutanka,
Do you preheat your air in your reactor?

[tutanka]

Regarding the catalyst,
It would seem that the reduction catalyst in a car converter could work as its job is to rip apart nitrous oxide by holding onto the nitrogen while oxygen is ripped away. The reduction catalyst contains platinum and rhodium.
But, in order for a catalytic converter to do its job, it has to be hot.

@Tutanka,
Do you preheat your air in your reactor?

Preheat air? No

[vrand]

Ammonia was old project .. ok we are talking every of nitrogen molecule but this new way is completely different.. the new tech burn just air directly without the creation of new burnable molecules like ammonia.

What is the advantage of just using burning air? Less parts to make?

To create your old design with ammonia required more expensive parts to make?

Can you use the burnable air to fuel a car or electric generator engine?
Cheers

[tutanka]

What is the advantage of just using burning air? Less parts to make?

To create your old design with ammonia required more expensive parts to make?

Can you use the burnable air to fuel a car or electric generator engine?
Cheers

Burn air is more simple than create synthetic ammonia.

[vrand]

Burn air is more simple than create synthetic ammonia.

Great, looking forward to your experiments and powering our cars and homes on air!

Cheers

[Allen Burgess]

How much input power was required to create the plasma shown in the video? Have you measured the output power available in the plasma? Is the process overunity? What is the COP?

Here's a qoute about the plasma cannon, or ETC:

ETC is also a more viable option than other alternatives by definition. ETC requires much less energy input from outside sources, like a battery, than a railgun or a coilgun would. Tests have shown that energy output by the propellant is higher than energy input from outside sources on ETC guns

[tutanka]

Here's a qoute about the plasma cannon, or ETC:

ETC is also a more viable option than other alternatives by definition. ETC requires much less energy input from outside sources, like a battery, than a railgun or a coilgun would. Tests have shown that energy output by the propellant is higher than energy input from outside sources on ETC guns

But is written also that ETC or plasma cannon is very dangerous for life, that produce outside high radiations, that can destroy piston, etc....

[Terbo]

Here's a qoute about the plasma cannon, or ETC:

ETC is also a more viable option than other alternatives by definition. ETC requires much less energy input from outside sources, like a battery, than a railgun or a coilgun would. Tests have shown that energy output by the propellant is higher than energy input from outside sources on ETC guns

Neither Heinz Klosterman (plasma piston) nor John and Bob Rohner (plasmERG "popper" and Papp engine replication attempts) have convincingly demonstrated overunity effects or performance in the ETC devices they have publicly demonstrated and patented. So, is Tutanka's "air burning" overunity?

[tutanka]

Neither Heinz Klosterman (plasma piston) nor John and Bob Rohner (plasmERG "popper" and Papp engine replication attempts) have convincingly demonstrated overunity effects or performance in the ETC devices they have publicly demonstrated and patented. So, is Tutanka's "air burning" overunity?

Yes.. air-as-fuel technology is overunity reaction.
Ok ...I can't explain now why because actually I'm in patent pending but I can assure you that reaction is overunity and air is as fuel in particular conditions.

[tutanka]

Neither Heinz Klosterman (plasma piston) nor John and Bob Rohner (plasmERG "popper" and Papp engine replication attempts) have convincingly demonstrated overunity effects or performance in the ETC devices they have publicly demonstrated and patented. So, is Tutanka's "air burning" overunity?

Klostermann system have some limitations because don't have enough force and linear rpm for run an electrical generator.
I think they have some problems in that direction.. similarry an engine without load. They are limited from time of charge/discharge of capacitor bank, similarry to an endothermic engine you need fuel for increase rpm in the same mode you must increase charge/discharges for increase linear rpm on piston.

[Allen Burgess]

Lmg

Klosterman's Linear Magnetic Generator doesn't need the flexability of a car motor with different power ranges. A rectifier can supply two D.C. power pulses to charge a battery that can invert the charge to supply power range to A.C. motors,

[tutanka]

Klosterman's Linear Magnetic Generator doesn't need the flexability of a car motor with different power ranges. A rectifier can supply two D.C. power pulses to charge a battery that can invert the charge to supply power range to A.C. motors,

Probably for obtain 200W of power can be ok but not 3Kw for power an home.

[vrand]

Is nuclear fusion happening in plasma arcs? With water vapor? Similar to Klostermann and Papp?

Here is one German company named Purratio that is claiming fusion with thermal energy output greater than input licensed from the inventors Richard Reichmann, Karl-Ludwig Barth.

They measured neutron radiation in this report of 3µSv/h (ie 300 times greater than the background radiation) is claimed:

http://www.purratio.ag/pdf/SOLFIRE_K...ON_English.pdf


State of the art
A water vapour operated plasma jet discharge was set up. Cathode material is Palladium. The anode is made
of copper with a central hole. The plasma jet is streaming out of this hole.
The water vapour is generated with a heating system and brought into the discharge volume tangentially to
realize a swirl stabilized discharge. The discharge burns at electrical currents of about 5-10A and at voltages
of typically 100-150V. The water vapour consists of normal water H20, heavy water D2O or mixtures of these
two types.
At this set up neutron radiation investigations were done. A neutron detector was installed in about 1m
distance from the plasma to detect neutrons. As detector a commercially available instrument from Berthold
Technologies LB 123 with a read out electronic LB 6411 was used. The detector measures a constant back-
ground radiation of about 0,010uSv/h without plasma jet operation. At appropriate experimental conditions
a neutron signal of 3uSv/h can be generated during burning of the plasma in 95% D2O vapour.
This neutron signal is reproducible and a doubtless proof of a neutron generating nuclear process in the
described experiment. (A generation of the detector signal by perturbing influences of electronic origin can
absolutely be ruled out.)

Purratio AG, SolFire:

REVOLUTIONARY ENERGY TECHNOLOGY - ”the” technology for the controlled utilization of fusion energy. A technology which is unique in meaning, benefit and value.

TECHNOLOGIES

US Patent 8129656, METHOD FOR PRODUCING THERMAL ENERGY

Patent US20090206064 - METHOD FOR PRODUCING THERMAL ENERGY - Google Patents

Cheers

[tutanka]

Is nuclear fusion happening in plasma arcs? With water vapor? Similar to Klostermann and Papp?

Here is one German company named Purratio that is claiming fusion with thermal energy output greater than input licensed from the inventors Richard Reichmann, Karl-Ludwig Barth.

They measured neutron radiation in this report of 3µSv/h (ie 300 times greater than the background radiation) is claimed:

http://www.purratio.ag/pdf/SOLFIRE_K...ON_English.pdf


State of the art
A water vapour operated plasma jet discharge was set up. Cathode material is Palladium. The anode is made
of copper with a central hole. The plasma jet is streaming out of this hole.
The water vapour is generated with a heating system and brought into the discharge volume tangentially to
realize a swirl stabilized discharge. The discharge burns at electrical currents of about 5-10A and at voltages
of typically 100-150V. The water vapour consists of normal water H20, heavy water D2O or mixtures of these
two types.
At this set up neutron radiation investigations were done. A neutron detector was installed in about 1m
distance from the plasma to detect neutrons. As detector a commercially available instrument from Berthold
Technologies LB 123 with a read out electronic LB 6411 was used. The detector measures a constant back-
ground radiation of about 0,010uSv/h without plasma jet operation. At appropriate experimental conditions
a neutron signal of 3uSv/h can be generated during burning of the plasma in 95% D2O vapour.
This neutron signal is reproducible and a doubtless proof of a neutron generating nuclear process in the
described experiment. (A generation of the detector signal by perturbing influences of electronic origin can
absolutely be ruled out.)

Purratio AG, SolFire:

REVOLUTIONARY ENERGY TECHNOLOGY - ”the” technology for the controlled utilization of fusion energy. A technology which is unique in meaning, benefit and value.

TECHNOLOGIES

US Patent 8129656, METHOD FOR PRODUCING THERMAL ENERGY

Patent US20090206064 - METHOD FOR PRODUCING THERMAL ENERGY - Google Patents

Cheers

Fusion too dangerous... Fission of air is the key!!

[Terbo]

Klostermann system have some limitations because don't have enough force and linear rpm for run an electrical generator.
I think they have some problems in that direction.. similarry an engine without load. They are limited from time of charge/discharge of capacitor bank, similarry to an endothermic engine you need fuel for increase rpm in the same mode you must increase charge/discharges for increase linear rpm on piston.

Klostermann's plasma device does not appear to be very efficient. I also believe it is not overunity. Here is why. In his recent video ( Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine - YouTube ), he demonstrates a plasma cannon firing a piston horizontally across a workbench. As reported in the video, the aluminum piston weighs 1.1 lb or about 0.5 kg. The acceleration of gravity is ~9.8 meters per second-squared. So the vertical force of gravity on the piston at rest is about 4.9 kg-meter per second-squared or 4.9 Newtons. The force behind the projectile in the video is reported to be ~1000 Joules discharged from a capacitor bank. Now 1000 Joules = 1000 Newton-meters. So if he launched this piston vertically (against gravity) with 1 kilo-Joule potential energy, it should rise to about 200 meters altitude if the plasma cannon has a COP=1 (since potential energy converted to kinetic motion equals force times distance). As a reminder, 200 meters is over 600 feet of vertical travel. From his video, it seems he would have been lucky to get it to 20 meters of vertical travel. So, in my opinion, his device appears to have a COP of about 0.1. Certainly, his plasma cannon appears to be very much "under-unity". To convince me otherwise, Heinz Klostermann needs to conduct a vertical projectile test as described and post the results.