The Empty Sun. The Hollow Sun. The Electric Sun.

[Berg]

Coronal Heating Problem

Interesting discussion on the Coronal Heating Problem of the Standard Model of the Sun.

Why is the Corona above the Sun so much hotter than the surface of the Sun?

Electric Sun Theory - A CAPACITOR - YouTube

Cheers

[Farmhand]

How about a slow down pill guys, too many questions and not enough theoretical answers.

I like to think logically, and my logic tells me that if the black spots were holes and
the sun was hollow then we ought to be able to see the inside of the other side.
Not only that but we ought to be able to see through a sunspot on both sides so
that we can see right through the sun at things on the other side, if two ever lined up for us to see it that is.

As to why is the suns carona might be hotter than the suns surface. But is it ?

And also if the sun is burning there must be oxygen from what I know
combustion is impossible without oxygen, the more available oxygen the
better a given substance will combust. Just an idea.

What are the different oxygen levels in the sun ect. If there is oxygen in the sun the sun must produce it.

A pure fuel gas flame is hotter near the outside because of the oxygen
concentrations. A flame with mixed fuel - oxygen is more uniform.

So how come if the sunspots are holes and the sun is hollow we can't see the
inside of the far side of the sun ?


Cheers

[I_Like_Science]

Why is the Corona above the Sun so much hotter than the surface of the Sun?

Oh wait, oh wait! I know teacher. The first friggin hit on a real google search says this.

In fact, the paradox of the coronal heating problem can only be resolved if we allow for electrical interactions independent of the suns inner radiance

So once again, the idea proposed in the youtube video is wrong.

Really Berg, I am researching what is said here, and your sources are consistently WRONG!! You are just very adept at regurgitating others' bad ideas with no real research of your own.

[I_Like_Science]

And also if the sun is burning there must be oxygen from what I know
combustion is impossible without oxygen, the more available oxygen the
better a given substance will combust. Just an idea.

What are the different oxygen levels in the sun ect. If there is oxygen in the sun the sun must produce it.

A pure fuel gas flame is hotter near the outside because of the oxygen
concentrations. A flame with mixed fuel - oxygen is more uniform.

I agree with the omitted points you made, but on this one, I must correct the fact that the sun does not need oxygen. It is not combusting, it is fusing.

Check out this video for a good explanation.

[Farmhand]

Oh wait, oh wait! I know teacher. The first friggin hit on a real google search says this.



So once again, the idea proposed in the youtube video is wrong.

But aren't you just repeating what you found in a search.

Hot gas ! Hot gas from where heated by what ? The inside of the sun ?
For the gas to get hotter than the surface then something hotter must be heating it

Now scientists believe they have discovered a major source of hot gas that replenishes the corona: jets of plasma shooting up from just above the sun's surface.

Insert hot plasma ! So the hot plasma is it inserted from the interior of the
sun or from the surface of the sun ? If it is from the interior of the sun, then
for the carona to be hotter than the surface and the interior of the sun hotter
than the carona. What cools the surface of the sun if it is sandwiched
between two hotter parts ? How is it that the surface can be a cool layer
between the hotter carona and the hotter core ?

"By identifying that these jets insert heated plasma into the sun's outer atmosphere, we can gain a much greater understanding of that region and possibly improve our knowledge of the sun's subtle influence on the Earth's upper atmosphere," McIntosh says.

Cheers

P.S. From my point of view, I don't think assuming assumptions are facts is wise. It's all theory.

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[Farmhand]

Also to be fair I think lately the Electric Universe theory has been pushed by
Dr Thornhill and associates, as well as others and can most likely be linked back
further to other researchers in the past in some way which I think indirectly or
directly leads to the modern theories about it.

Wal THornhil and David Talbott
Wal Thornhill & David Talbott | EU 2013 Off-Stage - YouTube

Although that is a bit off topic as far as a hollow electric sun theory goes.

Personally I like the Electric Universe theory even though if it is not a "complete theory"
as yet.

My apologies.

P.S. Back on topic here is a video which might be interesting, not sure if it's already linked I haven't finished watching it yet.

Tesla is mentioned. Might be an experiment.

SAFIRE: A Real-World Test of the Electric Sun (Part 1) - YouTube

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[I_Like_Science]

But aren't you just repeating what you found in a search.

Lol, well, yes, I suppose you could say that. BUT, it must be distinguished that the source I am taking from is generally more peer reviewed and determined by people whose jobs it is to determine the answers to these questions. I'll let the article explain better.

The research, results of which are published in the journal Science, was conducted by scientists from Lockheed Martin's Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory (LMSAL), NCAR and the University of Oslo. It was supported by NASA and the National Science Foundation (NSF), NCAR's sponsor.

Hot gas ! Hot gas from where heated by what ? The inside of the sun ?
For the gas to get hotter than the surface then something hotter must be heating it

Well, no, not really. There could be forces coming from the inside such as magnetism that is heating the outside (GASP! Did I concede a point?!?!?). But the source of that magnetism is still far more easily explained by a fusing interior of the sun, though we obviously still don't know the details. The researchers are still trying to pin down if their findings really do explain the phenomena.

Insert hot plasma ! So the hot plasma is it inserted from the interior of the
sun or from the surface of the sun ? If it is from the interior of the sun, then
for the carona to be hotter than the surface and the interior of the sun hotter
than the carona. What cools the surface of the sun if it is sandwiched
between two hotter parts ? How is it that the surface can be a cool layer
between the hotter carona and the hotter core ?

Cheers

It's more proper to say the plasma is ejected from the sun. Upon some research, and thinking about it for a bit, it makes sense that the corona is much hotter than the surface. The surface is all one plasma ball, able to transfer the heat between molecules through conduction, convection, and some through radiation. But the corona only has radiation to cool itself with, and if the particles were super-heated before being ejected, there is nowhere for that energy to go. But there is plenty of space on the surface for that energy to be dissipated to.

P.S. From my point of view, I don't think assuming assumptions are facts is wise. It's all theory.
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Even though it's all just theory, the observational facts support (not prove) some theories, and others they don't support at all.

Cheerio

[Berg]

You are just very adept at regurgitating others' bad ideas with no real research of your own.

Step off, Troll.

[I_Like_Science]

Step off, Troll.

Dude, nut up and bring me evidence or STFU!

The burden of proof is still on your shoulders. Either prove your ideas have some shred of evidence, or just man up and admit the ideas you are spewing are WRONG!!

[Berg]

Dude, nut up and bring me evidence or STFU!

I see I have to block you. My last two words to you is:

Step off.

[I_Like_Science]

I see I have to block you. My last two words to you ARE[ya farking moron]:

Step off.

So my last two words to you are.

You lost.

[TheGrassIsGreener]

Sorry, I just got here, but I think I_Like_Science's last words bear repeating just in case a block may be in place

My last two words to you ARE[ya farking moron]:

Step off.

So my last two words to you are.

You lost.

[Berg]

Sorry, I just got here, but I think I_Like_Science's last words bear repeating just in case a block may be in place

Thanks, but I'm done with him.

2/26/2013 Addendum to this Thread: I realize now that this is a
controversial subject, and as such, it will attract trolls. Just remember, don't feed them. I made that mistake, and almost ruined this thread, and I apologize for that. I should have taken action sooner to ignore that individual's post.

The way to ignore posts that you don't like is as follows: Go to this page:

http://www.energeticforum.com/profile.php?do=editlist

Cheers

[TheGrassIsGreener]

Thanks, but I'm done with him.

2/26/2013 Addendum to this Thread: I realize now that this is a
controversial subject, and as such, it will attract trolls. Just remember, don't feed them. I made that mistake, and almost ruined this thread, and I apologize for that. I should have taken action sooner to ignore that individual's post.

The way to ignore posts that you don't like is as follows: Go to this page:

http://www.energeticforum.com/profile.php?do=editlist

Cheers

Great info! I will promptly be ignoring all the useless horsesh1t you seem to be hawking! Thanks!!

[Berg]

The grass isn't greener, but it probably is another sock account of somebody I just blocked, so he's blocked, too.