Is the Magnetic Field around a Wire Harvestable Free Energy?

[morpher44]

is it true ...

I believe this thread is straying off topic.

I will return the attention to the one question that has gone unanswered:

The answer to that question is simple.
Newton's Laws of Motion.
The magnetic field created by the wires may push out or pull,
and there will be an equal and opposite pull or push, inducing
current in the wire. That induced current will go the opposite way,
which will create a DRAG on your circuit.
People put in blocking diodes for this problem ... if DC.
If AC, then you need to account for this in your calculations.

[morpher44]

Lenz's Law

You might also research Lenz's Law.

Inventors have been trying to figure out if there is a way
around Lenz's Law ... or to minimize its effects.

I was reading Tesla's notes
"The Inventions, Researches and Writings of..."

and there are circumstances where he is mentioning
"iron wire" in the coil design .. used for shielding.
Copper wire would be wrapped AROUND "iron wire", to create
magnetic fields to shield against OTHER magnetic fields,
up to some threshold ... in a transformer.
When saturation is achieved, only then would the "shielding"
no longer work. It is a cute way to ALTER the B-H curve
in a transformer. That guy was pretty amazing....

There may be certain angles of approach where Lenz's Law is
LESS effective ... such as 60 degrees.... Nature appears to like
60 degrees ... and PHI relationships.

[C/pi_over_Planck=1]

you can but it will be detected in time

Long ago I lived in the mountains near Santa Cruz CA. and a previous resident had run two long runs of copper wire directly below high voltage wires (the ones that if you walk under them light up a fluorescent bulb) that ran over the mountain just behind his property, he barely buried several hundred feet of insulated wire under the left and right wires on the tower and ran a refrigerator, lights, and tv for years. The electric company eventually found it, dug it up, and tried to press charges, but the previous owner had long moved away and it all amounted to nothing. The current owner of the house was told that the power company knew they were experiencing abnormally high "resistance losses" on this stretch of HV line and sent out linemen with EMF meters that discovered the wires. Yes you can tap it, but yes it is stealing, and that aint "free"!

[Ein~+ein]

So i would say if you use the magnetic field around a wire it will use energy from the source.

Yeah, my intuition tells me that, as does the Law of Conservation of Energy.

You might also research Lenz's Law.

I tried, but I don't fully grasp it yet. Actually I started this thread because Lenz 'Outlaw' Thane Heins asserts "in 1820 Hans Christian Ørsted discovered that energy can be created in any current bearing wire and why the theory of conservation of energy is false and has always been so and why and how energy can indeed be created freely in every current bearing wire and in all transformer and generators."

...the power company knew they were experiencing abnormally high "resistance losses" on this stretch of HV line...

Urban myth! The more schooling, the dumber we become. If that were true, just taping a headphone cord along a hairdryer's would generate speaker noise with the hairdryer on--not so. Remember the days when your neighbour's vacuum would disturb your TV reception---the TV had to be on, did it not?

It's not the field that conducts the electricity but the wire. That's why I posted the Leedskalnin PMH which actually does harness the field energy as residual magnetism. Commercial applications depend on those questions PESN came up with?

I followed Dave45's 'Electric Field of a Magnet' to try and understand fields better. Seems he and Primer Field videographer David LaPoint share the Russellian view that solar/stellar/galactic energy derives not from thermo-nuclear reactions but from the EMF generated heat. But if that were true, HV power lines and transformers wouldn't ice up in winter, would they?

Since I don't fully understand EMFs, BEMFs, flux, and Lenz' Law, I've become vulnerable to some of the better advanced OU claims. Correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it, there's an inertial counter-force to overcome in any attempt to breech Lenz's Law or harness BEMF. Such a counter-force would be the Newtonian equivalent of levitation--the defiance of gravity. Perpetual motion machines were conceived out of an intuitive ignorance of these laws. Could the same be said of OU device inventors and/or their unwary financial backers?

Surprisingly, Heins appears to have reclaimed the term 'perpetual motion' recently after initially rejecting it. But after a decade since patenting his 'infinity generator', he still hasn't unplugged it to run on its own.

And as for Tesla? You have to be a conspiracist of the highest rank to believe he'd invented an OU device, but after threats and the destruction of a lab he reluctantly agreed to file unworkable patents. I guess then, in spite, he turned his attention to wireless transmission so that we could all steal our 'electricity' from such villains.

[morpher44]

as for Tesla...

And as for Tesla? You have to be a conspiracist of the highest rank to believe he'd invented an OU device, but after threats and the destruction of a lab he reluctantly agreed to file unworkable patents. I guess then, in spite, he turned his attention to wireless transmission so that we could all steal our 'electricity' from such villains.

In all the stuff I've read about Tesla, I don't think he ever worked on OU devices. He was well educated and knew that energy is all around us. He dreamed of tapping flowing water ... leading to his Niagra Falls triumph.
He looked for other ways to TAP natures energy sources ... including
lightning, mechanical resonance, experiments with heat and magnetism, and a plethora of other ideas. He had some good steam turbine ideas. Yes STEAM. Apparently you can just collect sticks and leaves around your yard and burn them and make power. It seems so "primitive" 120 years later. I don't recall reading Tesla experimenting with Wind. He must of missed that one. If your in the city a lot, and in a lab, you probably don't think of wind.

His motive for getting into wireless power was to fulfill a dream of being able to power devices at any location on the globe and to have transportation machines that fly, and move on the ground, etc. all powered by these currents. He reasoned that only a few power generators would be needed around the globe -- sort of like how the pyramids are found around the globe. It was very "futuristic" thinking ... or very "ancient" thinking, depending upon your perspective.

When you hear 3 "fair-taps", a true sign of intelligence, BEFORE anyone else was messing around with radio transmissions, and you've convinced yourself it didn't come from Earth, and knowing a bit of morse code,
suddenly the lights come on ... OOOOHHHHHH!!!! dash-dash-dash

"On February 27, 1988, eighteen months to the day after the incident of the nine knocks at my cabin that I reported in Transformation, but before they could have been publicly known, A large number of people in this town were awakened by a series of nine knocks in three groups of three and on their cars, on the sides or roofs of their houses, or on their doors. The three part series of three dull thuds was reported by many residents who believed it was made by direct physical contact on the outside of their dwellings. One resident heard the knocks and on her way downstairs she heard three more knocks. The lower floor of her house was “bathed in a bright orange golden glow.” Another resident was awakened by very loud knocking and went to the door and looked up into the sky. “I saw the stars,” she reported, “but there was a very bright haze. Then I saw shadows running against the garage.” Her dogs would not chase these shadows. One resident saw a light in the sky, described as red & green in color. The entire town was covered with a dense fog that hovered approximately ten feet off the ground. In the space of 15 minutes the Glenrock Police department got almost fifty prowler and disturbance calls. All through the town, seemingly on the sides of houses, roofs, gates, etc, came the mechanical rapping, knocking sound: three sets of three knocks. Other residents saw something hovering above the trailer park on the north end of town and rumor has it that photos were taken. Others reported a sound like a big truck downshifting combined with a nut with a sledgehammer hitting the side of the house. There were reports that police cars would not start and one woman said she thought she saw small 24children in aluminum suits running through her back yard on that night. Another witness, Mrs Eager, who runs a local beauty shop, was disturbed by the sounds of three knocks on her front door. She found her collie dog transfixed before the front door, making no noise."
- Whitley Strieber

[chainmailleman]

The answer to that question is simple.
Newton's Laws of Motion.
The magnetic field created by the wires may push out or pull,
and there will be an equal and opposite pull or push, inducing
current in the wire. That induced current will go the opposite way,
which will create a DRAG on your circuit.
People put in blocking diodes for this problem ... if DC.
If AC, then you need to account for this in your calculations.

I believe that is the impedance of the system. Eric Dollard 2007 Presentation - Misconceptions of Electricity and More - YouTube Eric Dollard's Misconceptions of Electricity. It's a long lecture. I have watched it over 20 times now and still pick up new things.

Lenz law applies to a changing magnetic field.

I think a better (revised) question would be: Does a magnetic field do work independently of the applied electrical input?

[chainmailleman]

Bifilar coil's magnetic field strength vs. a normal coil's field - YouTube
Magnetic field strength Bifilar coil parallel v. series.

If you watch the video, you'll see that it's quite possible that the magnetic field strength is not as dependent on current as one would think (in the comments I, froddofromtheshire, explain that the current in the series configuration is 1/4 of that in parallel and produces a much stronger field). In a motor where the power is related to the field strength and the field strength alone. one can ponder the effects of such an apparatus.

[Dave45]

Resonant LCR Amazing Circuit 1. - YouTube
I wonder if the copper pipe was replaced with a bifilar coil

[Ein~+ein]

Lenz law applies to a changing magnetic field.

I think a better (revised) question would be: Does a magnetic field do work independently of the applied electrical input?

I think we've established that it doesn't.

[level]

Try this but only if you feel safe to do it, take an extension chord remove the
outer insulation and separate the live and neutral wires and the ground wire
as well if there is one, then that would leave you with two separated AC wires
and a ground with the plugs still at both ends.
Then wind one of the AC wires into a loop of a few turns to make a coil, then
take a separate piece of wire and wind into a loop/coil as well, this would be the
output winding, connect the output winding to a socket or female plug and
plug in a light bulb load to the output winding then place the output winding
on coil on the coil in the AC line plug in a light bulb load to the extension
chord and measure the power used with an energy meter where the extension
chord is plugged in, measure without the output coil load and with the output
coil load and you should see that the energy dissipated from the light bulb on the
output coil is supplied by the grid and paid for.
If you wait a few days I might be able to demonstrate that on video.
...

Hi farmhand. I believe you are correct. I have tried a similar experiment already using a large toroid power transformer, and using a power cord that is powering a load of several amps, and winding a few turns of the hot and neutral wires from the power cord around the toroid, and then pulling power off from one of the power transformer windings. I was able to draw off a fair bit of power from the AC line using this method, but my kill-a-watt power meter showed a proportional increase in the power input to the power cord when I did so. My setup was basically a current transformer, and my results show that it does draw power from the AC power cord. It would seem that there is no free power available from tapping into the magnetic field around wires.

[chainmailleman]

I think we've established that it doesn't.

I wouldn't be too quick to say no just yet. My post showing the bifilar coil is enough to question conventional thinking.

[Ein~+ein]

Does a magnetic field do work independently of the applied electrical input?

I think we've established that it doesn't.

I wouldn't be too quick to say no just yet. My post showing the bifilar coil is enough to question conventional thinking.

I watched that video but still don't get your point. Are you suggesting that the difference* in field strength between regular and bifilar proves the field does work independently of the applied electrical input?

Level just responded with his own evidence to the contrary concluding: "It would seem that there is no free power available from tapping into the magentic field around wires."

Isn't that because the field is an integral aspect of the electron as explained by the particle/wave duality of physics? Do you even realize you're challenging a very fundamental assumption: if you impede the current within a wire, you'll impede the field around it, and vice-versa. But, as I pointed out, you're not alone. Remember thought that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

* Edit: Regarding that difference. The only thing new on that bifilar video is the newby discovering that 'secret':

Ohms law people, ohms law. The wire is a resistor. Assuming the length of the windings is the same, when hooked up in parallel the resistance of the wire is DIVIDED by 2 (2 resistors in parallel is half the rating), when hooked in series the resistance of the wire is DOUBLED (2 resistors in series is doubled resistance). When the bifilar coil is hooked up in series, the power draw is 1/4 of that in parallel. This is a fundamental secret in many free energy/OU machines.

[morpher44]

induction compass

The induction compass, for example, harvests the "wind" as you fly and requires the Earth's magnetic field, to create power.
The Earth's field is translated into currents in the wire, as the coil spins.

So you can just make a big coil of wires, and run around with it and you will make electricity -- no magnet necessary since the Earth's field is there.
Of course you expend some calories doing this.

But YES ... you can harvest power from magnetic fields if you have
SPIN or motion.

[Ein~+ein]

The induction compass, for example, harvests the "wind" as you fly and requires the Earth's magnetic field, to create power.
The Earth's field is translated into currents in the wire, as the coil spins.

Yeah, I get that but it's not FE--you still have to induce current. By mentioning 'spin', you reminded me of my quest for a 3-D or even 4-D (animation) of the magnetic field. All I've come up with so far is 2-D:





This is the part I don't get. Can anyone explain the alternation within these waves:

[J~wise]

Dont let this thread die!

I have been tring to find information on this topic for some time now. I had a few videos saved on my youtube account on the topic from about a year ago and now I wanted to put the information to work in some alternative power projects, but now all the videos have been deleted. I dont belive that harnessing the magnetic field around a wire would effect the power running through it. It would be like harnessing the wind that is following a deisel truck with a VAWT wind turbine on the side of the road, the deisel would not be effected by the drag wind being harnessed.

Any further information anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.