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**Cornboy 555** · 05-20-2013, 09:54 AM

Go For It.

Well Duncan, This should be a great thread, i gota hand it to you, your work and understanding of frequencies, I Wish i had, i will be watching with great enthusiasm, and enjoyment.

All the best, and warmest Regards, Cornboy.

**Allcanadian** · 05-20-2013, 12:56 PM

Hello Duncan

Imagine a pendulum the bob of which is actually a magnet .. north pointing down .. at the Nadir of the swing is another magnet north pointing up �. the pendulum can never remain in one position can it?
the two questions I ask here are 1/ have I just presented you with the simplest example of a perpetual machine possible? And 2/Can you see any possible way of predicting the motion of the bob/pendulum

I did this experiment about 8 years ago when developing a passive magnetic bearing. The two north pole magnets cannot levitate in a stable position due to Earnshaw's theorem which basically states point charges can never balance perfectly because the field is spherical. It is like trying to balance one beach ball on top of another in theory and practice.

I found that in your example/my experiment the two north poles can never find a stable position however we have created one at the pendulum bob fulcrum or support point. So we could say just as we can never find a stable position at the field's true center we can also never find a static center point of rotation above the field center thus the bob always falls one way or the other and comes to rest on one side.

The premise is easy, no matter how small the scale or the precision we can never find the true center because it's always changing on some scale. So to answer your question, the magnets in repulsion can never find a stable position of rest at the field center just as the pendulum bob's fulcrum can never be exactly above the field center allowing it to come to rest thus it always comes to rest falling to one side or the other... eventually.

AC

**Allcanadian** · 05-20-2013, 02:00 PM

@Duncan
I guess I never actually answered your question.

1/ have I just presented you with the simplest example of a perpetual machine possible?.

No, it does come to rest eventually

2/Can you see any possible way of predicting the motion of the bob/pendulum.

Not to my knowledge.

AC

**Duncan** · 05-20-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Allcanadian View Post

@Duncan
I guess I never actually answered your question.

No, it does come to rest eventually

Not to my knowledge.

AC

Thank you very much for your reply AC � which is basically � yes and no ... as far as simple perpetual motion goes .. with out considering any possible demagnetising effect �. (kermit the magnetic frog shows no inclination to fall off my fridge anyway) .. and a little model made as you describe has been swinging in my garage for over 25 years �. and would, I suspect be swinging in 250years time if left alone!.. as you say perhaps � eventually

As you point out the direction as far as can be ascertained is arbitrary .. as a mathematical proposition and � the movement can be considered � chaotic � at the top of the arc it is not possible to accurately predict the direction. It is easy to lose sight of the fact that this is a simple natural action with an extremely complex result � chaos � Leon Hatem considered this to be one of the natural states of the universe (chaos) this chaos is the natural state to which energy returns ..you can consider it to be what Moray refers to as �the sea of energy� It is countered by the opposite which is of course symmetry and order. I have no intention of going into depth on either subject .. I don�t think that�s possible anyway (unless you happen to be Steinmetz) � but simply to organize the effects into such a state that mentally at least the effects can be cancelled out � and a picture of real events emerge .
Whilst I can happily watch the chaotic action of the magnetic pendulum .. The same cannot be said for say a clock pendulum .. I feel very ill watching such a thing � The reason being it is an active demonstration of the failure of standard mathematics. We are taught for instance that in zero time the moment of the bob reverses and the energy status changes from Kinetic energy to potential � although the physical action is very much slower that any electrical equivalent the same thing needs to be considered and it is this � In our dimension an event cannot happen in zero time. A perfect pendulum and a perfect Sine wave can be constructed from a circle but as the circle itself cannot be resolved all the mathematics at the extremes have been prostituted by infinitesimal calculus.
In other words when it really matters � the higher mathematics we have been taught is quite useless � It does not represent the actual events or our dimension. .. To then understand the transition from chaos to order is paramount. And fundamental to every free energy machine and the working of our dynamic universe.

**Ein~+ein** · 05-20-2013, 04:06 PM

The frog ain't movin', is he?

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Perpetual Motion! ------------------>

Whether my computer's on or off, this guy'll continue to dance somewhere even if it's only on a server somewhere in Kansas.

**Allcanadian** · 05-20-2013, 04:36 PM

Whilst I can happily watch the chaotic action of the magnetic pendulum .. The same cannot be said for say a clock pendulum .. I feel very ill watching such a thing � The reason being it is an active demonstration of the failure of standard mathematics.

I would agree and it may be that in our attempt to make sense of the seeming chaos we have also restrained our thoughts in the process. I always found it peculiar that people have come to believe that the normal state is that of rest however this is not the case. It may appear this way on Earth however we are not the center of the universe and the universe as we know it is not at rest in any way, shape or form.

In other words when it really matters � the higher mathematics we have been taught is quite useless � It does not represent the actual events or our dimension. .. To then understand the transition from chaos to order is paramount. And fundamental to every free energy machine and the working of our dynamic universe.

I have a theory, if a person cannot explain something in simple terms without mathematics or equations then they don't really understand anything. Not that long ago I decided to once again reject mainsteam physics and return to a more natural way of thinking in biomimicry and I am glad I did. It is interesting to note that in nature there are no straight lines and a straight line directly from point A to point B may be the shortest route but not the most efficient one.

AC

**ewizard** · 05-20-2013, 04:59 PM

Nice presentation of this concept Duncan. I'm seeing this basic idea and all sorts of ideas beginning to bubble up.

So you have a magnet pendulum that has been in motion for 25 years? I can imagine the length of the pendulum and distance between the magnets is fairly critical to keeping it in motion. Would it be possible to post a picture of it? Thanks for starting this thread

**Duncan** · 05-21-2013, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by ewizard View Post

Nice presentation of this concept Duncan. I'm seeing this basic idea and all sorts of ideas beginning to bubble up.

So you have a magnet pendulum that has been in motion for 25 years? I can imagine the length of the pendulum and distance between the magnets is fairly critical to keeping it in motion. Would it be possible to post a picture of it? Thanks for starting this thread

Ewizard � I decided before I started this thread that I would try and deal from the top of the pack .. that means I guess I have to be honest

.. I have no intention of photographing the thing and I shall tell you why .. 25 years ago I was in Africa what seemed normal then.. seems far from normal now, � looking back and at the thing I made... I am actually disgusted with myself � still I did It so here is why I wont picture it � do you perhaps remember Robinson�s Jam ? Part of their sales hype was a gollywog �

collect 20 jam labels you get a big gollywog that sort of thing � It was a different country .. different time and a very different me .. but to cut a long story short I hid the magnets inside the golly and the base ... and hung mine �.It lived for quite a long time on a glass counter amid the optics in a bar where I used to drink swinging on its gibbet � the bar was close to the prison ... very black humour (the pun wasn't intended) if you will... when I left the country .. golly came too ..I'm not proud of it � I'm certainly not going to photograph it .. In fact Its more probable I will burn it � but really Ewiz cant you just visualise the effect ? after all It couldn't be any simpler ..
Or simply get a couple of fridge magnets and prove it to yourself.... why not ? As we progress and I start to stitch the operation of all these machines together I will show you some of the contraptions I have built and experimented with but it really is more important that you form a mental picture of what is really happening.
You have already built a machine that demonstrates COP+1 so I don't need to go any where near what usually proves a huge mental block for most
There is a whole frequency scale that has been very crudely extracted from the worlds curriculum were it to have remained common Knowledge there is little doubt that computers and mobile phones would be totally unnecessary today.
Even at the relatively low frequencies of human hearing the omission of this scale is notable. In fact its commented on by EPD here �
The Science of Music by Eric Dollard (3 of 12) - YouTube
I am really not messing with anything here �. apart from what is real .. and what you have been conditioned to see --- there is a huge fracture forming .. others have started it .. I'm pointing it out to you .. be at it ... by whatever method you have at you disposal. The transition of chaos to symmetry in the great wheel work of the universe and the part the simple pendulum plays with respect to the whole was noted by this Frenchman
Professor Maurice Allais - a genius before his time - as are they all ..
I haven't read through this but I think you'll find he got some sort of award for something else and the implications of his work regarding the true nature of the simple pendulum with regard to the action of the universe were ignored by most � with the exception that is of a very skilled watchmaker who built the original concept .. Leon Hatem who like Bessler many years before him, realised the significance of the ratio's that will turn chaos into order , like Bessler he used the stunning natural effect to produce over unity machines at a mechanical level. (although the action's within a magnet I doubt could really be called �Mechanical�)
If you consider the natural world very little will fit our number system when ever you attempt to manipulate the mathematics inevitably it will not resolve.
This was of course noted many years ago by mathematicians interested in natural events. one of these was John Napier he invented the concept of logarithms and by a close study of nature set the base to reflect the natural state of the universe .. as you would expect that is also an irregular Number
In order for people to comprehend a little of what was and is being done to control humanity the presence of this hidden resonant frequency chain needs to be exposed. All the mathematical tools however have been carefully expunged . Study of the subject eradicated from all higher learning institutes. The books dealing with the subject by guys like Steinmetz rounded up destroyed and put out of print, Any machines developed and running on natural harmonies were �shut down� and in a lot of instances so were their owner's, smoke and Mirrors came into play .. all the patents altered
what would be called today extreme aggressive damage limitation. In every day real life situations where instances of these natural harmonies occurred ( usually in the electrical industry) the trades were carefully subdivided and taught very differently, the curriculum (conditioning) was given close attention. This was all done by the already very wealthy in order to maintain a greedy monopoly of energy .
However this is ... regardless of what you may think a benign universe with a benign creator and system at its heart , The megalomaniac sects who have manipulated the true intention of creation over hundreds of years .. I would suggest are in grave peril... arm wrestling with the almighty is not a good idea!
So how might I explain the maths and science of a system that has not been taught for 150 years or more ? Not easy I must admit .. here is my basic resolve .. most of you can drive a car � were you to visit another country where they drive on the other side of the road .. you could manage .. a bit of a ball ache for a while .. but you could adjust � With the kind help of others there is enough information to get to the very heart of one system �.. If you take the time to understand the basic fundamental concept of music � and how Mayer Puharich Nunnerley, Boyce and all the many others fractured water whilst using very very little energy .. then at that point you will be able to see the true reality through Leedskalnin's stone telescope � even though it may be hundreds of miles away.
�For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known�

The shock of realisation can stun .. The mind also works on waves and working duplex helps .. projecting both sides to the centre � I have taken the liberty of suggesting some light historical research aimed at helping you comprehend the corruption through our present era ..
Of course Earlier control of the systems going back hundreds if not thousands of years was handled much more subtly. The Americans have made such a Cack handed loud and brutal effort to hide the trail you can easily spot the mess. (if you try)

Homework
watch this aged clip .. Charles Proteus Steinmetz: The Man Who Made Lightning - undated - YouTube do note GEC is happy to �own� The Niagara falls project � also note how Steinmetz is credited with the first �grid system� and AC there is no mention of Tesla , In short GEC � Steinmetz � Edison and Morgan were crawling all over the Westinghouse /Tesla project .. research the �wars of the currents� conjecture on the truth � What was the loathed , detested � GEC doing anywhere near Tesla's pride and joy ? � Think big money .. This was by far the biggest construction and investment in the world at the time consider what may have happened to put Tesla on his Belly.

**Turion** · 05-22-2013, 08:24 PM

Duncan,

Glad to see you are about to draw back the curtain and reveal that the "Wizards" have been conning us all along. Those of us who have actually SEEN what is possible have no doubt about the porential available to us all. But we have our work cut out for us developing a system that we can control. Several years of beating my head against the wall have shown me that. Anyway, you can count me in. Having been to OZ on more than one occasion, at least I know for sure it exists.

Dave

**ewizard** · 05-22-2013, 09:50 PM

No problem on the pic Duncan. I had already built one that day using a bearing mounted in a flat wood stick. It seemed to work briefly but I suspect having the correct length for the pendulum for the weight of the magnets (MOV ring magnets) and so on would be needed to keep it in motion and I was too lazy to work all that out but I'll trust that it can be done and that when I'm not busy with other things I'll come back to it. That was the only reason for wanting a pic so as to get close to the length of the pendulum and size of the magnets.

Having studied Sacred Geometry, Golden Mean ratio, Solfeggio frequencies and so on I'm thinking the secret lies in something along these lines. And yes I fully believe there are powers at work to try to keep this secret well hidden. It' very sad what they did to Tesla. I would sure like to see a mainstream big name movie producer do a movie on Tesla's life. Other than a B movie in 1980 that was made I don't think anyone in Hollywood has the balls to take it on a big production. They'd probably be killed trying as it would make the masses aware of what is really going on.

**Duncan** · 05-23-2013, 12:16 PM

Home work answers .. part one

Hi Dave .. Great to see you post...

yes I know only to well the frustration of your machine. (as you know)

It is the reason why it (and all the other machines work) that I am trying to amplify here. I cannot use standard maths for reasons I have already explained, I can however draw mental pictures .. and I can point to issues in history that I think have been corrupted. Obviously heads of state and their security forces under the command of the corporations have much more access to information than we do �

A quote often attributed to Winston Churchill .. �History is written by the victor�. Is actually Winston reporting what Uncle Joe Stalin an ally by dint of war at the time

but never the less an uneasy bed fellow told him when questioned about the Murder of untold Millions (at least 20 million) across the USSR by his instigation.
Obviously regarding �free energy� the vast majority of us are the dumpling's reading the History we are supposed to read .. but its not the truth.
The very small sector of the worlds population who actually �own everything� manipulate their �mushrooms� at will. And feed them as much **** as possible.
As a matter of course I scan through past posts of folks �kind enough� to contribute to my thread
In a way the Immediate attention of the paid opposition is a compliment and should inform people they are �on the right track�
http://www.energeticforum.com/water-...tml#post231137
We are repeatedly told totally free energy has been available for 130 years. Why 130 years? Why not 40 or 2000 ? What Major event happened 130 years ago to lock that era into the minds of all of the small sect of people who have got to the truth �. and now, Ewiz .. you say you feel sorry for what happened to Tesla � what did happen and why ? Remember you are reading the history the victors wrote � humanity doesn't have free energy � or the power of any sort of self determination �. If Tesla knew .. he opted not to tell humanity.
The Governments and Bankster's who do the bidding of the real rulers and their agencies who maim murder threaten and selectively alter history for the same reason Stalin did (Its disgusting and they dare not own to it) had a shock coming.
Unknown to t.p.t.b British scientist Tim Berners-Lee was about to drop a big bomb on the �history books� He Invented developed and then shared what we now know as �The Internet�

regardless of how good the agencies had done there works 100 years ago they could not .. and did not .. foresee the Internet � It doesn't really matter now .. they have worked in a panic at break neck speed to control the media � if its on digital media now � they own it. Regardless of where .. The numbers of paid agents spewing scepticism and dis information on forums just like this are mute testimony to their panic driven methods to hold the status quo.
The window was briefly open � and for a while the roughened stumps of what once was huge tree's became visible � of course secret services .and . Agents have cut huge swathes into the real events .. even now as they consider themselves �the victors� they are busy rewriting the history you actually believe, feel, and react to, .. So given that like crossing a river on stepping stones I can only leap from one to another � and so must only claim this as �science fiction� with a heavy accent on poetic licence � here is a re-write .. on the events 130 years ago (ish).

The �War of the currents� had been long and arduous It was not only a commercial War but very much a personal one too . Edison recognised a far cleverer man in the stature of Nicola Tesla,
It is noted that Edison tricked Tesla out of a huge amount of money .. rightly or wrongly there is little doubt that as time went on the two men loathed each other with a passion. The squeaky voice and effeminate actions of Tesla were a vexation to Edison, and likewise the purely capitalist hard business approach of Edison irritated Tesla beyond endurance . In later years Tesla refused to enter the same room if Edison was present. The 1915 Nobel award d�b�cles probably gives a good example of their mutual hatred. Americans seem to have a different perspective to time size and the world .. In fact many seem to think America is the world . I was talking to an American gent in London's Victoria coach station last year . In the course of the conversation he informed me that last week he had �done Europe� and this week he was going to �do Britain� economy of scale I guess.
lucky Hitler didn't move quite as fast.
Like wise the perception of recent history seems altered � for instance many houses here In the UK still show evidence of where the gas mantels used to swing on their brackets, some four years ago my grandmother died at the age of 104 still with all her faculties . So of course events of 100 years ago were quite clear to her, The difference was brought home quite vividly to me in new York recently.. with some time to Idle away I got on an open top tourist bus .. There was a pretty girl with a microphone giving the obligatory spiel on points of interest , There also happened to be two scousers (Liverpudlian�s) jesting and flirting quite determined to upset the memorised (and carefully timed) speech .. the girl was having none of it �. until the flatiorn building hove into view �. the speech went on ..
cast iron construction blah blah one of the oldest buildings of its type blah blah Its stood on this site for a staggering 108 years blah blah at this point out came the sentence in a broad Liverpool accent
�My Grans tortoise is older than dat .. Poor girl lost it and went into hysterical laughter.
Its all relative you see the doings of 130 years ago are comparatively recent .. the paper and business evidence is still there if you search... the hints .. the class system .. Its all still very tangible
The proposed Tesla/Westinghouse Niagara falls to Buffalo power system captured the imagination of the Banksters , the stinking rich , The belted Earls .. In short the rulers of this world �. They had long ago learnt that to grab and control anything essential to human life would guarantee their bone idle position of luxury and prostitute every one else. Coal, land,gas., water fresh air itself if they could lay hands on it �if they actually could there is little doubt most of us would be staggering about with deflated bags on our backs.
Here was a new power source � Lord Kelvin representing �the stinking rich� Crowned heads and belted Earls of Europe came to inspect the miniature �test case� which was the Chicago world fair of 1893 .. he grasped the poly-phase principle �. he spent many hours being wooed by Tesla � Westinghouse was no fool � he knew Millions and Millions of Investment dollars rested on what Lord Kelvin saw .. he was shown a very short example of the High Voltage transmission system . Tesla carefully explained how huge amounts of power could be transferred with very little loss.. lord Kelvin could hardly believe his eyes � a brilliant system ...Lord Kelvin bought it all !
He rushed back to Europe .. The Niagara falls /buffalo project became by far the biggest project and Investment in the world, Billions were involved, not just in the project but all the ramifications .. corporations rushed to control all the natural god given assets Banksters,hurried to manipulate water , fossil fuels � land where grids or cables may run anything that would control and enslave and rule humanity a little bit more.
Tesla and Westinghouse rushed to complete the turbines and the short (20 odd miles) of grid all, was set fair .. what could possibly go wrong? Tesla's demonstration at the Chicago worlds fair had been two phase considering the extra load and distance, also the motors he had designed Tesla opted for a four phase system to feed the proposed Industrial area at Buffalo.
Land and building in the proposed electrified area obviously sold at enormous prices bought by eager entrepreneurs.
Work progressed apace � the parasitic money men were eager as always to see the milch cows teats gushing forth . Their inside knowledge guaranteed they could prostitute humanity even more.
Hooray switch on �. It was carefully orchestrated .. fan fair and publicity attended to � The most important part of the system was obviously adjustment and control of the giant turbines as the huge system came under load � Tesla undertook that himself �. The privilege of throwing the main switch in Buffalo
went to one of Tesla's favourite assistants Peter Grobble what happened next still happens today now and again, although luckily we have ear muffs now ..demonstrated at a steel works just outside Middleburg South Africa this is what happened
Unknown location Arc Flash while racking a breaker - YouTube
although witnesses also had the dubious pleasure of watching the blue arc travelling down the wires before it killed Peter which we rarely see today.
It didn't just happen once , and it wasn't confined to the switch room �. The whole thing was was an absolute unmitigated disaster. . With more pops and bangs than a firework display.
It was not so much a bad Hair day for Nicky as a bad �the rest of his life�
Homework ...
1/ consider what t.p.t.b would do with such a state of affairs today ..after all if you want to upset a pimp take his cash

2/what caused the flashes and bangs .. here's a hint http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73rghTkRMU0
3/Who solved the abortion ? how?
4/ what would be the "damage limitation" today ?

**Zardox** · 05-23-2013, 01:28 PM

From what I get listening to Eric Dollard is that Steinmetz's equations reguarding electricity and alternating currant were a matter of convienence that electrical engineers had something they could understand and work with. He goes on to state that Steinmetz had a different and more complex theory of electricity that he never got to complete.
You are right about the amout of disinformation that TPTB are willing to throw at us. Much like religious writings I find most of the so called free energy information to be indecypherable. There is hidden throughout useable clues if we can spot them. If one was going to poison a animal you would not feed it straight poison. You would give it a plate of good food laced with poison. (No animals were harmed in the writing of this message)

**Duncan** · 05-23-2013, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Zardox View Post

From what I get listening to Eric Dollard is that Steinmetz's equations reguarding electricity and alternating currant were a matter of convienence that electrical engineers had something they could understand and work with. He goes on to state that Steinmetz had a different and more complex theory of electricity that he never got to complete.
You are right about the amout of disinformation that TPTB are willing to throw at us. Much like religious writings I find most of the so called free energy information to be indecypherable. There is hidden throughout useable clues if we can spot them. If one was going to poison a animal you would not feed it straight poison. You would give it a plate of good food laced with poison. (No animals were harmed in the writing of this message)

Welcome Zardox .. Without a hunting session I can't bring the piece of video straight to mind � but since you are a respect-er of EPDs (as I am myself) if I may remind you he referred to Tesla's grid system at one point as �being on its Knees� .. he also pointed out the problem they had with Steinmetz is not that anything was Unfinished (as you say) his work was and is quite brilliant the problem was it told a story tptb wanted hidden at all costs . It moved effortlessly into �other dimensions� and revealed the basic method by which free energy may be obtained.
The trouble is they had difficulty shutting the sucker up! Eric tells you so in this clip
Restart Tesla's WardenClyffe by Eric Dollard (1 of 12) - YouTube
certain Steinmetz books were rounded up and destroyed (as I think I have already pointed out)
I quote from 11M46 s �� the trouble with Steinmetz is they could not shut him up�... He also says quite rightly so �Steinmetz was the man� who demystified everything �. Tesla actually didn't have a clue what the hell was happening at the time except his grid system was a disaster � remember he was an experimental physicist .. a very good one but never the less an experimental hands on artisan.
If you take a little time to go through the clips you will also find the statement � Tesla's grid was on its knee's� I hope you enjoy the clips anyway Zardox
Kind regards Duncan

**Duncan** · 05-23-2013, 05:10 PM

Homework answers part 2

The very richest �pimps� In the world with the very best Insider Information had set their best men out �The banksters� to round up all their assets this was a one horse race . There could only be one winner .. and they knew who it was � all the money was on Westinghouse & Tesla

� The horse got out of the grid, galloped full speed around the track, nearly crossed the finishing line (but of course nearly isn't good enough) and then � fell over

what use is a grid that blows up and kills people.? What about the pimps world wide ? What about all their money and assets? What do you think the Bankster's thought of Tesla ? Would you bet more money on a horse that rolls over?

It was a huge almost incomprehensible disaster. The big business Interests did then what they would probably do now �.. sent in the fire brigade, I suspect if they had the slightest suspicion that Tesla's abortion was intentional his head would have been fish food right then.
Lord Kelvin rushed back, an uncomfortable journey by fast clipper. That's why you see him in the clip with Steinmetz and Edison as they resolve the buffalo disaster �

A veil of secrecy was drawn over events � The last thing anybody wanted was a total stock crash the only possible fireman was Steinmetz � he had one remit � �make this worthless piece of crap of Tesla's work� before we lose everything... with one caveat �do it quietly so no body knows its a basket case� .
Well � they were lucky very very lucky, Steinmetz was up to the challenge he identified �resonant components� in a different dimension �for want of a better description� he actually (by my view) reinforces Leedskalnin's view of electric current .
However before the Banksters and aristocracy could rid themselves of the taste of bile left by the very close shave their bank accounts had had with the �lunatic� Tesla there was a bigger sting in the tale � picture the scene Morgan puffing on his cigar whilst offering another to Steinmetz as EPD says �the Hero� for the first time in months Morgan can relax � most of the millions he had tied up in the power venture at last seem safe . . and then Steinmetz in all innocence says �Ohhh by the way Mr Morgan it gets even better � all that power that was blowing up that silly grid system is coming from outside . Isn�t that good Mr Morgan you don�t really need a grid any more .. you can chop it up and sell it for scrap. You don�t need any of those smelly oil wells or dangerous coal mines either
I'm going to write a book about it all don�t you think that�s an absolutely spiffing Idea Mr Morgan ? I've already told that nice Mr Tesla all about it, he seemed very interested.
what do you think happened next boys and girls? I bet you can guess ...

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