Here's looking at Euclid (Bogart)

[Duncan]

here comes the fizz .. ewiz

No problem on the pic Duncan. I had already built one that day using a bearing mounted in a flat wood stick. It seemed to work briefly but I suspect having the correct length for the pendulum for the weight of the magnets (MOV ring magnets) and so on would be needed to keep it in motion and I was too lazy to work all that out but I'll trust that it can be done and that when I'm not busy with other things I'll come back to it. That was the only reason for wanting a pic so as to get close to the length of the pendulum and size of the magnets.

Having studied Sacred Geometry, Golden Mean ratio, Solfeggio frequencies and so on I'm thinking the secret lies in something along these lines. And yes I fully believe there are powers at work to try to keep this secret well hidden. It' very sad what they did to Tesla. I would sure like to see a mainstream big name movie producer do a movie on Tesla's life. Other than a B movie in 1980 that was made I don't think anyone in Hollywood has the balls to take it on a big production. They'd probably be killed trying as it would make the masses aware of what is really going on.

Here comes you Sacred Geometry ewiz .. but not quite where you expected it me thinks

Ok .. I can sense every bodies champing at the bit and pondering if this or that machine may be a candidate …. There is a radical change in the theory of a very efficient machine and a machine that’s running COP +1, as you may have noticed with your own machines …. and certainly your machine tachyoncatcher … I'm sure you have noticed the more you throw at it …. the harder it responds whilst using no actual power its quite capable of throwing you around like a rag doll.
Over driven squirrel cage ah well great stuff .. Its surprising how many even seasoned electricians don’t realise the Tesla motor can make a very effective generator … and there is a little chunk of engineering that seems to be totally overlooked by almost every body when considering building a COP +1 machine . You see Real power is an anathema to free energy machines .. in fact its evil and an anathema to everything!! including our world
Tesla warned ….. you must consider the whole circuit … So assuming you build a machine where would you measure the Input power ? (You need a little for timing relative to this dimension)
I don’t mean how and with what and waveforms and all the never ending crap that naysayers produce. And I don’t mean where it might be convenient for you to stick a meter.
Or even where the electric company has fitted a meter …. Nature has its own natural progression
and cares little where you think it should be measured or how it should be measured.
As an educated guess I would say In natures scheme of things the circuit efficiency could be considered to be from the first transformer the circuit encounters .. in the case of the rotoverter this could be a sub-station some miles away. (The transformer because as EPD says the operation is not explicable .. or at least its not going to be taught to us)
So I am assuming that you actually enquire specifically about looping a system … if you take a look at the bog standard rotoverter the motor has to be extremely efficient .. into the very high 90 percent
It has to be very much bigger than would normally be required to drive the same load conventionally
even very slight drag has to be attended to …. the fan removed …. even the bearings carefully re lubricated … meticulous attention is given to the P.F (resonance) all of these physical adjustments have one aim …. to reduce the slip … conventional theory will tell you if there is no slip a Tesla motor can't run if it did then of course It is running on pure reactive power and all the laws and dogma is shattered... you are in resonance … using no power … yet obtaining usable energy
… balancing a ball on a ball...
So in practice what they did … was got very very close to “no slip” by all the standard methods
(which is where most were encouraged to stop …. that is at a very efficient system but never COP+1)
they then matched the wave form and injected just enough extra power to be running on reactive power .. there are of course more refinements … like grabbing every scrap of real power that may be circulating .. but essentially thats it!
So we come to look at this motley collection of motors .. the first and most important question is how efficient are they in normal operation ?
These motors are not designed to run on reactive power … but obviously Hectors ambition was to make a difference with machines you could buy off the shelf.
Because all reactive energy comes from the Aetheric sea and follows the harmonic and overtone resonance laws just like Radio waves … “as I pointed out before”
The Mathematical progression through a machine or machines is predictable and natural .. and as you have found out (Randy) .. quite staggering
in other words although building a rotoverter and getting the thing looped may seem very tedious with a great big motor for not very much return .. if you then drive another rotovertor with the output of the first one things alter very drastically indeed. We are grabbing these waves
What is the Casimir effect? : Scientific American and using them.
So whilst these guys debate the matter we might as well just ...do it!
What is the Casimir effect? : Scientific American
Oh and the mathematics of cascaded COP+1 systems … well if you remember right back at the start of the thread I asked you to consider the “magnetic pendulum” that principle was turned into a machine … and the machine then cascaded …with huge energy gains which as you would expect follow one of natures entrenched natural patterns … given that this patten is linear the efficiency required of the “prime mover” can be extrapolated back to the origin of a COP +1 system
It now becomes obvious why such extra ordinary measures are taken to remove every possible unnecessary consumption of real power . Every Milli watt costs very dearly.
It also tells you why Randy .. if your motor starts running at all on “real power” you may as well chuck the towel in right there.
So this cascaded system …. Its on copyrighted constructional papers … so I'll go back over the last couple of pages and see who's sticking with this and contributing … I'll host the pages and PM the links to you .. this was obviously a mechanical system converted to electrical use .. however its the progression of advantage I would like you to note … stage to stage

Ps ... If'n you like things tesla ewiz ... try this interesting but some what different take on the guy
https://vimeo.com/19577546

[Cornboy 555]

Click.

Thanks for PM Duncan, i looked at this a while back, it would be very interesting to arrange a cascade in a circular pattern, as the paper suggests,wish i had time to do this and many others.

My main interest is in high torque, self running electric motors for EV propulsion, not much to ask eh!

I do feel that resonance will have to play a part, hence me following your thread closely, waiting for juicy tidbits, that may click my thinking into the right place, at the right time.

Many Thanks Cornboy.

[Duncan]

Hetors house

Thanks for PM Duncan, i looked at this a while back, it would be very interesting to arrange a cascade in a circular pattern, as the paper suggests,wish i had time to do this and many others.

My main interest is in high torque, self running electric motors for EV propulsion, not much to ask eh!

I do feel that resonance will have to play a part, hence me following your thread closely, waiting for juicy tidbits, that may click my thinking into the right place, at the right time.

Many Thanks Cornboy.

Well of course cornboy that would be great …. if a few thousand Pierce arrow type motors were running about the shooting match would be well and truly over … I wish I could just draw a sketch of a few valves … well I guess FETs these days … better still …. it would be end of the trail.... keep knotting the lose ends together .. and perhaps ?
I think in actual fact if any of the systems can be made simple and portable everything will alter anyway …. you see cornboy I reckon for the vast majority of folks its the huge mental block and the total conviction that COP+1 machines can't exist that needs destroying
Once a simple easily demonstrable one is devised .. I reckon everything thing else will naturally follow.
Its rather like letting the dog see the rabbit .. once it catches sight its after it with a vengeance.
All these systems are documented and …. buried , once one of them is exhumed I don’t think the rest will be far behind .
Some of the rough outlines I have drawn Betwixt EPD radio work … power factor … KVAr and the Rotovertor are gone into in much greater detail by Hector and the group dedicated to closing the loop …. Some of the terms used may need a little explanation such as .. stochastic resonance … this is the resonance of the background …. zero point …. Luminous Aether … whatever your handle is.... the stuff at the end of 6
Although talking of proved Antenna amplification in common radio antenna's being directional It is the Yagi beam I think Hector is considering .. things obviously alter when the linear wave is considered.
YAGI ANTENNA DESIGN BASICS - Learn More About a Yagi (Beam) antenna!
In this advanced research PDF on the looped RV circuit you will see there is the layman’s .. step by step instruction …. which can then be drilled down .. if you want a better picture.
The circuits and improvements have been added as this pretty dedicated group investigated and improved all the basic tenants I have pointed out.
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/Advan...evelopment.pdf

It was the demonstrated looping and information along the lines of that is contained in the above PDF that got somebodies attention ! And guaranteed they had a bumpy ride ahead … all of us researching .. owe a great debt to people like this who put the information out at great cost.

[Duncan]

should have posted this ... first .. doh

For those who are a bit lost jumping about from radio to high power .. and different terms
that also happened with the rotoverter groups.
They scratched about for a reasonably simple course that would join the bits up … so to speak
some of the the links don’t work any more .. but the document is here
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/RE-OU-v6_1.pdf

and the revised AC circuit theory is available here

Lessons In Electric Circuits

It is as well to skip through this thing and absorb the bits you find “odd” It's strange finding things you thought you knew backwards given a slightly different twist!

[Duncan]

Pulsing sinners .. oops spinners

One of my favourite spinners is Robert Adams after the estrangement from Mortisha Robert,.. heart broken and emotional threw himself back into his life’s ambition … a mad cap scheme to produce “free energy” …. ah no that’s not quite right is it …Start again..
Robert Adams unlike most humanitarian dedicated researchers was not a cash strapped individual struggling in his basement hoping to produce the impossible miracle machine.
Robert was one of the foremost of the worlds Electrical engineers, He was Chairman of the IEEE representing his own country New Zealand. Robert of course had a substantial pension and all the trappings one would expect in respect of some one who had invested wisely the earning due to someone with multiple degree's who had spent a life time at the top of the electrical game.
t.p.t.b would have difficulty branding Robert a “scam” and a fraudster … The man was simply “to big” no trickster looking for a free energy rip off .. the usual filth would not stick to Robert.
He had already been silenced for 20 years by trickery … threats and intimidation, the usual “ex gracia “payment in exchange for a 15 year gag, the usual salve was applied to Robert who took his carrot reluctantly The stick of “national security” Robert viewed with a Jaundice eye as well.
There was little room for manoeuvre Robert banked the $28,000 and reluctantly decided to oblige the contract.
Many people had been coerced by exactly these methods tptb had developed the methods to intimidate and corrupt they had it down to a fine art,
Robert however was not fooled in the slightest , he settled down to bide his time and make plans.
The 15 years of course as far as tptb are concerned means “forever” Robert however had a different view of things .
He carefully developed a simple constructional design which could be built by any reasonably careful hobby mechanic , he conspired with a Hobby magazine with a large circulation to test his machine and quietly prepare his project for publication , At the age of 72 years Robert Adams had decided to “publish and be dammed” … there were to be huge ramifications … This for instance is the opening of that magazine article 20 years ago.

It is with great excitement, and appreciation to the inventor, that Nexus publishes the
following information on the Permanent Magnet Electric D.C. Motor Generator
of Robert Adams, a former Chairman of the Institute of Electrical & Electronics Engineers,
Inc., U.S.A., (N.Z. Section).

After having his invention suppressed for over 20 years, Mr Adams, at the age 72, has
decided to share his design with the world regardless of the consequences. Mr. Adams'
quest to bring "free" energy to the world has cost him dearly as it has many other
researchers who threaten to bring the "establishment" undone.

He has survived an attempt on his life by an individual affiliated with the New Zealand
Secret Intelligence Service and the Central Intelligence Agency, direct suppression of
his invention by former (and recently deceased) Prime Minister of New Zealand, Robert
Muldoon, the giant British electronics company, Lucus Industries, as well as numerous
other insurmountable difficulties that have been placed in his path. All because his
invention worked. And not only that, it is so simple, any electronics manufacturer or
skilled backyard-home-scientist could build one.

“The truth will out” we are told Robert was big enough to make sure it got out … there are in his simple construction all of the components and principles required to make a COP+1 machine
Robert Adams is one of the spinners you ignore at your peril ! The nexus introduction continues

INVENTORS BEWARE!

In 1978 Mr. Adams discovered that inventors of machines or devices of high energy
efficiency capability ("Free" Energy) are not only refused patents, but that in
most cases, their inventions are classified under the "Military Use Clause", which
is, of course, international. Inventors are prohibited from publishing details of
their devices or promoting them in any manner of their invention is classified under
this clause. In other words, their devices automatically become the sole property of
the "establishment".

The fact that there is an established mechanism to suppress energy inventions of this
nature has been a closely guarded secret for many years. Many inventors have made such
claims, but the general public remain oblivious to the fact that they are being deprived
of clean and free energy by organizations that would rather make money and hold power
over the public, that allow such technology to become widely available. Yet another
example of the abuse of power. (No pun intended.)

The article not surprisingly ruffled quite a few feathers and in due course came to the attention of another academic head of I.B.Ms patents
Harold Aspden PhD.(Cantab), B.Sc., F.I.E.E., F.I.Mech.E., M.Inst P., F.I.C.P.A., C.,Eng., C.Phys. Sen.Wh.Sc
for those who are not familier with the British Higher education system .
All them squiggles and things mean Harold has grasped ohm's law … and stuff … On speaking to Robert and being told every one of Einstein's laws could be shown to be false and demonstrated so in Roberts Lab … Harold could hardly contain himself and left Ye Merry O'l England and travelled the 12000 miles and set up camp with Robert, In order to Learn ….The two men soon became firm friends and far from the simple home construct project in nexus advanced the design which resulted in their combined shared British patent GB228278
http://freenrg.info/Patents/GB228270...EC_MOT_GEN.pdf

[Turion]

Duncan,
I have seen lots of threads dedicated to the Adams motor patent here and at OU.com. As far as I was aware there were or are no successful replications. To me this suggests that (as usual) something was left out of the patent. I have no problem attempting to replicate something I believe has a chance of working, but since others have tried, what are they (and we) missing that would make this a successful build, or is that where we begin...with this patent as a basis and work to discover the missing piece or pieces. Since he wanted us all to have the answer, you would THINK that all the pieces would be there. Perhaps there HAVE been successful replications and no one is talking about them?

Dave

[Duncan]

Duncan,
I have seen lots of threads dedicated to the Adams motor patent here and at OU.com. As far as I was aware there were or are no successful replications. To me this suggests that (as usual) something was left out of the patent. I have no problem attempting to replicate something I believe has a chance of working, but since others have tried, what are they (and we) missing that would make this a successful build, or is that where we begin...with this patent as a basis and work to discover the missing piece or pieces. Since he wanted us all to have the answer, you would THINK that all the pieces would be there. Perhaps there HAVE been successful replications and no one is talking about them?

Dave

Hi David … It would be wonderful to shout from the roof tops … Its over unity …. Its 700% over COP1 .. Its stable and reliable, Just who do you think will beat a path to your door first to have a look at your mouse trap?
You won't like them I guarantee , People are very reluctant to post COP+70 (or whatever) ... it immediately attracts the full force of the establishment . It would be the last thing I would claim with out the proviso … unstable .. sometimes... erratic ... whatever some sort of out. In fact I doubt I would spell it out at all if folks haven't got the nous to build or understand , tuff.
Regarding specifically the “Adams motor” if you have read all though even our own forum and not seen COP+1 then it must have been long ago, here is a member toranarod saying quite clearly he was flying COP+1 some 3 years ago
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post121836

This of course is with what is basically the Adams “happy hobby model” version that Adams posted in the magazine … the advanced constructions as in the patent and various advanced clones .. Like for instance the Muller took it to a whole new level. But I am certainly not going to start specifically pointing to each and every post … Do deep research on what happened when RomeroUK and toranarod joined forces … The evil bastards soon stepped in and shut that all that down.
The thing is research it yourself thoroughly and objectively I really don’t like exposing key posts that show OU although there are plenty more relating to the Pulse systems …

[Duncan]

onward onward ten sytems onward

I'm In no way suggesting that you attempt a build on the machine David that's not the the direction of this thread at all at the moment. As you perhaps start to see I have carefully selected researchers, systems and machines with a great deal of kudos and a lot of successful replications.complex difficult builds dont hack it .. wheres oboe? the principles involved .... thats a different matter
That certainly doesn't mean you could build an Adams machine and expect it to work, any more than than you could build your own system and expect it to work … there is however a pretty good chance. The reason it is a chance and not a certainty is because in every case the principle of operation is outside the realm of standard Maths, This being the case it is also outside standard engineering … after all how can you manufacture to chaos or infinite or infinitesimal? However you can get close and introduce some “adjustment” .. to get the feel of what these guys were viewing and how how they eventually boxed it into a corner … that's the thrill of the ride!
The Rotoverter , The Adams machine, Hatem's wheel,The magnetic pendulum ,The 3BS , are all systems seen to work by many people, the probability of many different sources of undiscovered energy being available I think I’ve already covered.
Each of the researchers so far quoted EPD, Hector D Perez Torres , Dan Combine and all the rest of the RV team. Have all been at great pains to explain how the energy is funnelled from what is effectively a different dimension. The sea of energy and all the other names et al
In my own cack handed way I have tried to transfer the same information. As I said at the start its all very much “a picture” I was asked about Pulse motors a little while ago and needed to remind myself of the work of Robert Adams . He in turn explains the nature of the “other dimension” and the energy available In much the same manner as all the others who have trodden this path.
Do read Roberts description and explanation of cutting edge work he did over forty years ago
compare it directly with the wording of the others over the years some of the terms may be different (there is no lexicon for FE) however you will very quickly realise they all see pretty much the same thing they are all aware of the spacial relationship and go about engineering the two extremes in their own way. After one researchers attempt on this web page .. is R.As original article .. do take the time to absorb it ,
Monopolar Motor by Robert Adams
taken all together I'm sure you see from an engineering stand point it becomes rather like threading a very small hole in the eye of a needle several times with very coarse thread …
Like the organ makers of old as EPD says here all that needs to cook for a little bit
The Science of Music by Eric Dollard (3 of 12) - YouTube

[Duncan]

The scibblers!

The pen is mightier than the sword

True, This! —
Beneath the rule of men entirely great
The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
The arch-enchanters wand! — itself is nothing! —
But taking sorcery from the master-hand
To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
The loud earth breathless! — Take away the sword —
States can be saved without it! Edward Bulwer-Lytton


Before any aspiring hopeful can really hope to make a cop+1 device work there really has to be some level of belief that its possible that … It might work … if not of course the attention to detail the planning and engineering will simply not cut the mustard. It is my considered opinion that it is no accident that the guys who have come up with sustainable and repeatable COP+1 devices are Multi talented in many fields.
For Instance regard EPD … a professor..In a maths related subject (that is cleverer than the average bear) skilled In High voltage heavy power equipment ( worked in a ship yard on main supplies)
Has extensive knowledge of Radio frequency theory and application (was and is a practising radio amateur)
I might add to that must also be a determined humanitarian or naive because It is quite clear that the all pervading evil that has permeated our society in what we refer to as t.p.t.b. Will kill maim or injure with no hesitation at all … In order for satanic evil to prevail
If there were to be what the American & British ..powers that be .. call physiological profiling as they secretly invade and sift through the private Diary's and letters which are what today’s computers are De-facto … The successful Free energy developer would “most likely” have all the above traits. I of course am lower down the food chain being a practical engineer but never the less in all of the above subjects at some point or another … anyway even the Ignorant are curious perhaps just a little slower.?
Science is a study of our universe and all its engineering the common language of that science is mathematics, even though I am but “a hewer of wood and drawer of water” I too must rely on the work of Mathematicians in order to know which tree or where the well might be.
I rather view mathematicians as Alchemists . I do recall when the Concord was being engineered the designer of the wings insisted they be floated in tanks on needle points … computers then of course were very primitive still much to my amazement the scribblers and mechanics soon had the resolution … I was Impressed .. hats off to the scribblers! However for a practising electrical engineer higher mathematics is really only resorted to when the unusual .. or unexplained occurs .. Normally the last resort in a desperate situation …. The last chance saloon ! In practice it has never ceased to amaze how the very best of these applied Mathematicians have not only supplied an answer but gone on to instantly relate to other equally insoluble situations .. why they don't write proofs and simple documentation for we on the spanners … I don’t know!
The field of Electric and by extension the universe is jam packed full of these anomalies except on this occasion it is the engineers who have almost by accident produced machines that mathematics and present science (if you call the present "force feeding" science) do not resolve. The key stumbling blocks being the concept of Dimension and time. The Biggest mind block which seems to stick in the throat like a fish bone is Albert Einstein.


The Face that Launched a Thousand Assassins


The key stone on which they teeter is in turn the Lorentz transforms and particularly “Lorentz force”

Lorentz Force - YouTube

And so In order to enlist the help of the scribblers here's my view of the mathematical historical course and the “best fit” correction
The fact that other dimensions were (and still are) available to t.p.t.b obviously has huge implications going far beyond “free energy” absolute control and enslavement of the whole of humanity becomes quite feasible. The awareness of “free power” occurred with the unhappy experiences with the first HV high power grid.
As I have previously pointed out Steinmetz managed to get the huge “white elephant” at least serviceable. The fact that free energy was available was of course totally suppressed by t.p.t.b
Steinmetz and the work of others was gone into in great detail. The foundation of evil which started with insider trading, lies, and deception was quickly expanded, the levers of control have been expertly used to expand this core of evil world wide . It is my belief that t.p.t.b have aggressively used every tool at their disposal to hide these god given natural resources. IMHO Albert Einstein and Hendrik Antoon Lorentz are a Major part of this Satanic conspiracy. Einstein’s theory of relativity was of course originally known as the “Lorentz-Einstein theory” as Lorentz did all the initial spade work (allegedly) for the deception



Einstein & Lorentz ... Gog and Magog

It might also might be born in mind that Lorentz might (just might) have in turn got his hands on the work of Danish Mathematician and Physicist Ludvig Lorenz who had published exactly the same work a year previously.


Ludvig Lorenz

Do you catch the faint smell of corruption cospirisy and evil surly not when theres lots Nobel award prizes for all the players ?
So if the mind twisting and corruption starts in that era with Bert being the t.p.t.b Stooge what alternatives exsist to pull the ship quickly back onto the opposite tack.?
How about dumping the Einstein Lorentz force equasion and falling back on the older (but undoutably more honest) work of Ampere ? Here's his force equasion ..



haven't seen it before ? Why doesn't that supprise me !
Here it is taking into account the coulomb interaction and the equivalence Ids = qv





Now the bits start to fit ... These Mathematical expansions and the experemental support are kindy provided by a Greek Prodical Prof P.T. pappas


Two Giants "John Hutchinson" and Greek prof "P.T Pappas" doing their very best to take care of us whilst we do nothing to help or care for them

An expansion of P T Pappas's work can be seen here
http://www.papimi.gr/university.htm

The scribblers miss much if they ignor the work of these heavily supressed academics fighting to shine a little light in our direction at tremdious personal risk to themselfs and their families, It rather seems to me that the cloven hooves care not what they trample on.


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[Zardox]

Hi Duncan
I think that most of us here that build circuits have seen the importance of reaching resonance and seeing a circuit suddenly take off. But can you elaborate a little more for those of us with a little more wine on thier brain (me), how the two frequencies be it 1 & 6 ties into other devices such as a magnet motor or the water jet wheel.

[Cornboy 555]

Me Too.

I second that question Zardox, including electrodynamic rotating devices.

Thanks in advance Duncan.

Regards Cornboy.

[Duncan]

splish splash

Hi Zardox & Cornboy you are interested in how the x6 frequency fits into water jet (which I have never attempted) It really isn't the frequency spacing that we are considering but rather the shape and progression of the resulting wave, The frequency separation comes about in one of the extremely rare occasions when Its possible to engineer and control the input wave shape regarding a COP+1 machine. . As I have pointed out we are normally confronted with the aspect of resolving the chaos.... The Inverse if you like.
You enquire of this resolve in rotating machines , you have no doubt studied the Information I PM'd you now regarding Hatems electro-magnetic machines … In the power transfer from drive to drive you see the same Harmonic relationship that is 1> ½ > ¼ > and so on. In other words the x6 frequency relationship is not a transferable and neither is it perfect but it is very close. To Base 10
So IMHO It is actually a contrast in wave form that is key, In the typical rotational device you enquire about as in the Hatem machine the chaos of magnet opposing magnet is resolved by the harmonic progression drive to drive , whilst this technique does not in anyway resolve “chaos” It is in a mathematical sense cancelling the chaotic content .. In the example I sent to you, six magnets facing each other in chaos thee being the numerator and three being the denominator.
The resultant follows the Harmonic power gain... as you see... all be it fractional, however that’s quite irrelevant as its shape space and form of the natural universe we are interested in, The universe certainly isn't very concerned in our preference for base 10 … I must confess Zardox I have never attempted (or heard) of this water spray thing but I would certainly be very Interested if you have built such a thing , It certainly isn't the aim or intention of this thread to have folks interrogate me on random OU machines that may (or may not work) As I made quite clear at the start It is effectively “a melting pot” for folks who have built tried and tested machines and know beyond doubt that they are over unity …. I really am not prepared to “guess” at machines I haven’t built and tried with out specific constructional detail and all the results . Having said that Zardox if you send details of this water spray thing you have built I will be very Interested and certainly try to tie the figures into the chaos, infinity, infinitesimal contrast indicated by the natural operation of our universe.... To put this in a nut shell like all boys and girls who are on this forum with good intent I have built several machines some have showed COP+1 … like 3BS, Rotoverter,Hatems Machine and then of course I’ve kissed a lot of frogs on the way and not known if its my construction or if the principle itself is dis – information... Each of the systems that have proved COP+1 have problems stability,expense, feedback issues or far to difficult to construct to get out of the box and into the public domain. Hundreds of previous researchers testify to the fact that if “Joe soap” cant build it in his garage its going no where and could well get the developer toasted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuH72G5qXow
That then is the ambition …. get Known working systems that have been built and tested by members .. discover the common factors … engineer towards a better mouse trap (all be it a hybrid one) It certainly isn't to assume I’ve built and tried every system under the sun (working or madcap) and start Interrogating me on each and every one. However if you’ve built it …. If it works .. if you have details figures graphs then by all means bring it to the Anvil and we'll hammer it a bit..

[Zardox]

Wait a second here.
My question was a general one about pertaining to the fact that you had stated earlier that all COP-1 devices use the same source of energy and that was directly related to the mixing of frequencies. I was not meaning any one particular device and I only mentioned the water jet wheel because there was a link to it within the material you had sent me. This device was also listed in Patric Kelly's PDF.
My intention was not to interrogate you on any one device and I make no appologies for it.
I am only trying to learn here.
Yes I have several different pulsed circuits that I use on a daily basis. However the at this time the only thing that I have been able to accomplish is to light bulbs or charge batteries.
The problem always seems to be when we try to loop a system and I am wondering if maybe some of these other devices might be worth exporing. If I were to build a magnetic motor or a water jet wheel or as Cornboy said a rotating device if what you are saying is correct I would want to incorporate the frequencies into the build. Your explenation of the power lines was very good. However being a little thick in the head I don't clearly see the relationship to the other devices. So I only asked for further explenation.

[Zardox]

I guess I should have posted a link.
Future of Energy - YouTube

[Turion]

Duncan,

We have seen from our work with the pulse motor on the 3BGS setup that a motor run in that system puts out more power than it takes in, and I believe that UFO has shown us this also with HIS motor designs. They need to run at higher voltages to do real WORK because they have little torque, buti am beginning to believe, as Erfinder does, that ANY motor can be made to return more power to the primaries than it uses. We have also seen that generators can be designed that speed up the prime mover under load rather than slow it down. When you start to look at putting those parts together into a system it is no longer IF you can get COP >1, but how MUCH greater.

And that is where we are with what we know NOW! What does the near future hold?? Personally, I wake up excited every day!!

Dave