Which type of Renewable energy will most Successful in future??

[nextekpowersysytem]

Hi friends,

I m Jack from newyork.

Recently world is moving to use the renewable energy resources a lot.

Everywhere we might have seen the new innovations, Products, News etc.

Though many resources are available like solar, wind, bio-gas, Hydro, geothermal etc. Among them which source will be mostly used and be successful in the future??

Poll out your answers with the reasons please...

[Duncan]

you'll have what your given ... eat your greens

Hi Jack … there is no simple answer to that .. the truth is there has been totally free energy available for at least 130 years . It has been held in status by greed and manipulation … I'm sure you remember being told at school energy cannot be destroyed .. only changed from one form to another .. tis so .. there is a huge amount of the stuff all around us Jack ..a little research on your own country will reveal that solar panels with an efficiency of more than 20% are considered a threat to national security and outlawed .. stopped at the patent office.... I myself come from a country where they once came up with the ingenious system of taxing you for how many square inches of windows your home had … and there's really nothing to stop that happening again, governments are supposed to serve the people not bend them over and Rodger them!
Until that state of affairs is altered by a determined and focused public you'll have whatever energy system corporations decide you may be allowed to pay for.
Chem trails made up of nano particles of aluminium ..the same stuff which is also fed into your water as fluoride makes sure we are to dumb to realise or resist anyway

The History of Fluoride - YouTube

Walter Graham offers one theory about the rush to fluoridate Ulster's water. 'In 1976 Margaret Thatcher suggested fluoride for Northern Ireland. German research shows fluoride has mind-controlling properties. It made people lethargic. Remember, Mrs Thatcher has a chemistry degree. So why should she suggest fluoride for Northern Ireland?'
Because Northern Ireland was out of control? Mr Graham gave me a knowing look".

George Carlin on the American Dream with transcript fernandadepaulag@aol com « Shoq Value - YouTube

so the answer as it stands right now for the most of us is …. you'll have whatever energy source your allowed to have .. at whatever cost the rulers decide .. that’s simple enough isn't it?

[Ein~+ein]

Solar--no doubt about it. See my thread Solar's Future's about to Get a Whole Lot Brighter Thanks to the Moore's Law of Photovoltaics What other energy source continually drops in price while improving in efficiency--it's now about $0.65/watt from the $3 a few yrs ago.

...there is a huge amount of the stuff all around us Jack ..a little research on your own country will reveal that solar panels with an efficiency of more than 20% are considered a threat to national security and outlawed...

This just in: Terrorists Using Hi-Efficiency Solar Panels Electrocute Busloads of NY and LA Tourists!!!! - Reuters

[Allcanadian]

I would agree with solar energy however while bulk cells may cost $0.65/watt the retail price for a real working CSA approved system is over $6/watt. By building most everything I can myself I figured a person may build a grid tied system for a little over $1.00/watt.

I would rate hydrokinetic energy systems in second place simply because you can't beat the energy density of moving water and the windpower sector has basically stalled as far as new technology is concerned.

AC

[Ein~+ein]

I would agree with solar energy however while bulk cells may cost $0.65/watt the retail price for a real working CSA approved system is over $6/watt.

Which province are you in? A few years back, Ontario invested over a billion in am attempt to establish itself as a solar leader in NA, partnering with Samsung to set up manufacturing and offering lucrative grid-feed-in prices to kick start the industry--my brother's roof is covered with panels. I don't know all the details but such big initiatives are rarely in the public's best interest especially given the industry fall-out amidst rising competition not just from but even within China.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, source energy, that which originally created all that exists and thus, when this energy is flowing within all peoples, no possession of earthly human vessels can be sustained.
Thus, most of the malevolent attributes we see acted out by humans will cease.
This source energy can also sustain the human vessel.
peace love light
tyson

[Allcanadian]

@Einstein

Which province are you in? A few years back, Ontario invested over a billion in am attempt to establish itself as a solar leader in NA, partnering with Samsung to set up manufacturing and offering lucrative grid-feed-in prices to kick start the industry--my brother's roof is covered with panels.

I know quite a few people who bought into the solar rebate program, a $13,000 estimate then a $6000 rebate for a solar grid tie system which is lucky to do 1000w on a sunny day. It's just another government make work program in my opinion and the middle men generally take the rebate as profit.

It goes like this, the government offers a huge rebate so it looks like their actually doing something. Then the retailers/trades simply double or triple their prices and the taxpayer basically subsidizes the middle men. To be blunt... it's a scam because the taxpayers pay for 1/2 of a solar system which in the real world could not pay for itself in 100 years.

Rule number 1, anytime the government is involved you can be sure it's a screw up of epic proportions.

AC

[Allcanadian]

Maybe we should dig a little deeper into these rebate programs and other subsidies. First few are actually competitive in the real world because if there was no rebate nobody I know would buy into it. The unsubsidized payback period is not in years but decades and within years the technology itself will probably be obsolete.

Second if a person only has to pay 1/2 then who pays for the other 1/2?. Oh the taxpayer does so in a sense we could say the poorest people are now forced against their will (taxes) to pay for a system only the middle to upper class can afford. Ain't life grand?, those who are struggling just to put food on the table are now paying for a grossly overinflated and most likely obsolete system.

So now we have corporations making record profits selling subsidized and outdated technology which actually hurts the startups. You see the subsidy only applies to "approved" systems which means the newest cutting edge technology which does not qualify never gets to market.

Personally I don't do rebates because they are BS and someone somewhere is generally getting screwed down the line.

AC

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, hi allcanadian, good points.
To expand on source energy, it is this energy that will allow all the hidden technology to flourish.
This source energy overwrites all programming and conditioning fed to humans since birth, the chemtrails are probably an attempt to delay this energy from activating the new coding within all humanity, though it is happening and can not be stopped.
Carry on.
peace love light

[freepenguin]

There are primitive and safe energy I expect to have:
Ethanol from Hemp.
FE that produces usable energy from kinetic energy of rotating object. The "primitive" term applies to this.

Hemp provides so much good stuff too: food, medicinal material, clothing and building, ethanol is added bonus.

[Ein~+ein]

Ethanol from Hemp.
FE that produces usable energy from kinetic energy of rotating object.

If hemp and ethanol don't turn anything else, at least they'll make your head spin.

But seriously, I've reported on a similar food/feed + biofuel grain: flax. It would seem that for hemp and flax, the fuel part would be of secondary consideration as I'm sure corn would provide much higher yield per acre of ethanol.

[nicolas.richards82]

Renewable Energy

Good morning Jack and greetings from London. Renewable energies will be the future. Which type of green energy will prevail will be dependent on government support, cost factors and definitively on the efficiency. I found a gerat article / website about the efficiency of the energy. It's actually about South Africa but I recon it's not the big difference. We are solving the same problems. So may this link will help you Energy efficiency - Siemens Southern Africa

Hi friends,

I m Jack from newyork.

Recently world is moving to use the renewable energy resources a lot.

Everywhere we might have seen the new innovations, Products, News etc.

Though many resources are available like solar, wind, bio-gas, Hydro, geothermal etc. Among them which source will be mostly used and be successful in the future??

Poll out your answers with the reasons please...

[Allcanadian]

@freepenguin

There are primitive and safe energy I expect to have:
Ethanol from Hemp.
FE that produces usable energy from kinetic energy of rotating object. The "primitive" term applies to this.

Hemp provides so much good stuff too: food, medicinal material, clothing and building, ethanol is added bonus.

When I read your post two things came to mind, one my two horses grazing away in the pasture outside my window and biomimicry. A horse is a marvelous machine and ordinary grasses go in one end creating an abundance of energy and an organic fertilizer comes out the other end. One cannot help but wonder at the elegance and simplicity in it and the fact that mother nature has thousands of years of R&D invested.

Looking out my window and thinking of all our machines and the harm and destruction they cause I can't help but think how primitive we are. I cannot help but think we may have lost our way somewhere along the line. We create one inefficient unsustainable monstrosity after another and we call this progress but there is no progress in it. They are abominations meant to destroy not create, now if we could build an autonomous and intelligent machine that turns ordinary grass into energy and fertilizer, a machine that can reproduce itself and repair itself then we would have something.

The problem here is that nobody on this planet has the knowledge or experience or intelligence or understanding to even begin to build something as simple and elegant as an ordinary horse.
we have a long way to go my friends.

AC

[Allcanadian]

@Nextekpowersystem

That is an interesting website and I deal with similar problems on a daily basis concerning energy management with our Siemens Insight and Johnson Controls Metasys LAN's. However on a personal level I have enough experience working with these systems to know there limitations.

When I started designing my own systems for my own use I went a different route and decided on embedded micro-controller arrays. For instance in 99% of natural systems there is no centralized control system. There are autonomous elements acting within a system as one coherent system. As such very seldom do we find any parameters being exceeded because they are autonomously regulated by individual elements. That is the leaf of a tree does not ask the trunk or roots what to do nor when to do it and neither does the branch however they all act in unison as one... independently.

In any case I have found these types of systems are light years ahead of what I work with and may become the norm at some point.

AC

[daveparf]

My hydro generator