effect ecklin

[lorinrandone]

Hello everyone
My name is lorinrandone and am a member on this forum for a long time but never fails to provide any comments by the barrier of lenguage.No speak English, and I use the google translator to read in the forum.Im francofon and i manage well in Spanish.Obviously I am experiencing as many, many things for the same reason that all of this forum, and I would need to help out someone of you if possibleSpecifically, I am now testing the engine Ecklin principle using two repelling magnets. Does anyone of you could tell me how to replace mu-metal plates to have a better result? Bismuth?, Pyrolytic graphite?They are going to let the direction of my youtube channel, and also I will try to upload a couple of photos to get an ideea. thanks
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[lorinrandone]

Je vous remercie beaucoup pour vos opinions

[gyula]

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Does anyone of you could tell me how to replace mu-metal plates to have a better result? Bismuth?, Pyrolytic graphite?
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Hola Lorin,

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I have not seen from the video how you try to utilize output power from your setup? I also watched your earlier Ecklin video Motor Ecklin - YouTube where you used a 9V battery to drive a DC motor for the disk with the mumetals but you drove a flywheel by the moving magnet via a piston mechamism: where or how did you evaluate any output power?

Sorry that I comment your Ecklin setups without my building an Ecklin setup: I tested only some mumetal plates between magnets in the past to 'screen' the magnetic flux between the magnets. What you use: the mumeatal plates are good I think and by using bismuth you would get a worse screening effect. I am not sure on the Pyrolytic graphite either in this setup, their screening effect versus the mumetal is doubtful I think.

What I found in my tests with the mumetal plates between magnets, their thickness have to be matched to the strength of the facing magnets and the distance between the magnets also important. There is an optimal distance and thickness for every individual setup when the mumetal plates can enter and leave the gap between the magnets with the smallest mechanical drag: this needs testing by using several plate thicknesses and several gap distances.
There is one more pitfall: the metal disk which keeps the mumetal plates may have eddy current losses because it rotates between magnets just like electricity meters (Watt-Hour meters) work so a non-metal disk for keeping the mumetal plates may be needed.
I do not know whether the Ecklin setup is able to produce more output versus the input power but the refinements I tried to mention may help to achive a better efficiency.
Regarding the mumetal plates, you can find such plates in discarded computer hard disks: How to separate the Magnets from an old harddisk you may already know this.

rgds, Gyula

Hola Lorin,

No he visto en el vídeo cómo usted intenta utilizar la potencia de salida de la configuración? También vi tus Ecklin video anterior Motor Ecklin - YouTube donde se usó una batería de 9 voltios para accionar un motor de corriente para el disco con los mumetals pero conduje un volante por el imán en movimiento a través de un mechamism pistón: dónde o cómo tu evalúa cualquier potencia de salida?


Lo siento que he comentarios tus configuraciones sin mi edificio una configuración Ecklin: He probado sólo algunas placas MuMetal entre imanes en el pasado para 'screen' el flujo magnético entre los imanes. Lo tu que se usa: las placas mumeatal son buenas que pienso y mediante el uso de bismuto usted conseguiría un efecto de apantallamiento peor. No estoy seguro sobre el grafito pirolítico o bien en esta configuración, suyo efecto de protección frente al mumetal es dudoso que pienso.

Lo que encontré en mis pruebas con las placas MuMetal entre imanes, su espesor tiene que ser adaptado a la fuerza de los imanes que enfrentan y la distancia entre los imanes también importantes. Hay una distancia óptima y el grosor de cada instalación individual cuando las placas MuMetal pueden entrar y salir de la brecha entre los imanes con el arrastre mecánico más pequeño, lo que requiere de pruebas mediante el uso de varios espesores plato y varias distancias de separación.

No es una trampa más: el disco de metal que mantiene las placas de MuMetal puede tener pérdidas por corrientes parásitas: porque gira entre imanes igual que los medidores de electricidad (contadores de vatios-hora) de trabajo, podría ser necesario un disco que haber no metal para mantener las placas de MuMetal.
No sé si la configuración Ecklin es capaz de producir más potencia en comparación con la potencia de entrada, pero los refinamientos que traté de hablar puede ayudar a achive una mejor eficiencia.
En cuanto a las placas MuMetal, usted puede encontrar estos platos en los discos duros de los ordenadores desechados: How to separate the Magnets from an old harddisk usted ya sabe esto.

Saludos,
Gyula

[lorinrandone]

Hi Gyula
Thanks for the comment and I want to say that this project will be successful when you find a replacement formula mu-metal plates, so it will be a toy like many others on the Internet. I understand that Ecklin, used ceramic magnets and it completely changes things.
Also, the condition of the engine to operate this system is 2 pistons, not alone because when rejecting both go back, so the time of impact between magnets and mu-metal to be minimal, So might get adequate torque and so far I have not managed this effect in heat engine design
So why I ask your support. Anyway I will post the latest news in this forum.
Regards: lorinrandone

[gyula]

Hi Lorin,

Basically the mumetall plates are very good for 'screening' the magnetic flux but I understand that they are hard to handle and shape to the correct shape. Perhaps using normal transformer laminations instead of the mumetal would also be good: laminations are thinner and a bit easier to handle... nevertheless their magnetic permeability perhaps ranges 800 to 1500 "only" while mumetal has many thousands this is not a drawback at all and you can easily layer the transformer laminations to get the needed thickness. Laminations also help reduce eddy currents just like in mains transformers.

Greetings, Gyula