Use the Force Luke ... Use the Force!

[erfinder]

The Gary motor was small scale, but Hubbard's and Hendershot's developments were most definitely home power sized !



Hi erfinder,

If you have a horseshoe magnet then please *hands-on* replicate the Gary effect as per my video.
If you have a bar magnet then give it a pair of pole face extensions using steel bolts.
I used a ferrite rod in the video because a soft iron core was not handy, but a transformer laminate would do.
The stronger your magnet the further away it can be to induce the core field reversal shown.
Overwind = output voltage generation without the typical cogging or force reaction effects from rotation.
As I said, increasing magnet field strength very effectively modifies the distance for series-parallel induction alternation.
!!!!! The field need not be fixed strength. !!!!!

Please - you need to try all this for yourself.

Cheers ............... Graham.

I do not have a horseshoe magnet, however, I had to make one while trying to replicate and understand one of John Bedini's patented devices. I know the effect you are referring to well. My magnet was made using solid iron, I found that for this kind of circuit, solid iron is preferred to laminated in some cases, mixing laminated and non laminated is highly recommended. In the past I began building a generator which was inspired by a related concept. I abandoned the design when I found that what I was attempting was already mastered by others. Attached is an image of the homemade horseshoe type armatures I made for the generator.

With that I know the configuration, and the associated phenomena, what I don't understand is your interpretation, specifically, what it is that you mean by "series-parallel induction alternation".

Now what I found with this (Wesly style...horseshoe) configuration is that as you increase the gap, taking advantage of this "neutral" zone, your coupling (textbook) goes away, resulting in generator action yielding less to nothing....If you can demonstrate otherwise, I would love to see it, and would immediately attempt a replication.

The Alexanderson Alternator
The Kromrey Converter

When you look at the patents which inspired this thread, you see that you are dealing with something which could probably be called a variable reluctance type of generator. These principles are well established. There are two schools of thought here on this forum. Both are leading the readers to the same conclusions, via very different methods. On the right we have the supporters of the Alexanderson style alternator, and on the left we have supporters of the Kromrey converter (alternator). Close examination reveals that they are one and the same technology. Don't take my word for it...look into the two. The Kromrey is in my opinion the power generator for the layman, however, only if we know how to properly configure it, and are willing to try and comprehend how and why it functions.

The Magnetic circuit of the Kromrey "could" be viewed as a fundamental arch form, the broken magnetic orbit. We wind our coils on these magnets (Bedini and Flynn two familiar names who are masters in the art of manipulating flux) or in the gaps between the magnets. What we do from this point reveals our ignorance or our genius. How do should we connect the coils? EFTV25 shows you how, as does the attached figure.....

6,392,370 - Device and Method of a Back EMF Permanent Electromagnetic Motor Generator

The author of this patent is still among us. Does he give any suggestions as to how we should configure our coils?

Quote:

"The stator is comprised of a permanent magnet connected to a means for conducting electromagnetic energy such as two parallel bars, each having a magnetized pole piece at one end of the bar. The conduction material of the bar may be ferrous, powdered iron, silicon steel, stainless magnetic steel, laminations of conductive material or any other magnetic conductive material.

Each bar is wrapped in a conducting means to form an input coil. The means for conducting may be copper, aluminum, or any other conductive material suitable for making a coil. The primary or input coil is connected to a switching circuit. A second conductive wrapping on top of the input coil becomes a secondary or output coil. The secondary or output coil is connected to the recovery circuit.

When the rotor is energized from the battery of the switching circuit, there is an initial magnetic field that is instantly overcome as the magnetized pole pieces are in apposition with the rotor magnets. As the rotor begins to move, increasing electromagnetic energy is produced as a result of flux gating from the apposed magnets of the rotor and pole pieces. The coils surrounding the bars 'buck' the permanent magnet connecting the bars. This is known in the art as the 'buck boosting' principle. When the permanent magnet is bucked by the coils, it reverses the polarity of the pole pieces which are apposed to the rotor magnets causing the rotor to increase its rotation or spin. "

End Quote

Hope you guys can see what I see in this stuff..

Regards

[GSM]

I do not have a horseshoe magnet, however, I had to make one while trying to replicate and understand one of John Bedini's patented devices. I know the effect you are referring to well
your coupling (textbook) goes away, resulting in generator action yielding less to nothing....

Hi Erfinder.

I am not so sure that you really do know this effect well.
Look at my video. The effect is hard to replicate neatly by hand.

The effect is like the Schmitt triggering of a Barkhausen wave through the entire length of the iron based core !!!!!

The compass was not just attracted one way and then released, but indicated the sharp field reversals first in one direction and then the other, even though the magnet polarity was not reversed. The little compass either spun or oscillated after being pulsed.

As I clearly stated - with a relay core overwind feeding reverse connected (back to back opposite = anode to cathode) LEDS, one or other will light equally with just the slightest *radial* movement of the magnet first one way then the other, this is NOT just field line cutting induction or a field just going away.
The source field does not just 'go away' it remains same way polarised yet induces a sudden core field reversal - electron spin-axis reversals !

Cheers ........... Graham.

[erfinder]

Hi Erfinder.

I am not so sure that you really do know this effect well.
Look at my video. The effect is hard to replicate neatly by hand.

The effect is like the Schmitt triggering of a Barkhausen wave through the entire length of the iron based core !!!!!

The compass was not just attracted one way and then released, but indicated the sharp field reversals first in one direction and then the other, even though the magnet polarity was not reversed. The little compass either spun or oscillated after being pulsed.

As I clearly stated - with a relay core overwind feeding reverse connected (back to back opposite = anode to cathode) LEDS, one or other will light equally with just the slightest *radial* movement of the magnet first one way then the other, this is NOT just field line cutting induction or a field just going away.
The source field does not just 'go away' it remains same way polarised yet induces a sudden core field reversal - electron spin-axis reversals !

Cheers ........... Graham.

Lets save the judging....you have no idea what I know.

You have to do better than that, I still don't get what you're trying to say. I get LED's to light up doing this too, and? Still doesn't change the fact that the coupling is lousy...now if you get your super bright LED's lit up to full brightness with this setup, show me please!

My cup is empty, but your not filling it with anything...help me out here...



Regards

[GSM]

In your opinion wouldn't a motor based on this principle "as presented" by Wesly would be rather weak? A generator might be interesting, if the proper feedback mechanism was utilized..?
Regards

It WAS a free standing 'free energy' generator !!!
Please check half way down this web page.

Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor

Quote -
>"Owing to the fact that the armature requires a very slight movement, in some cases not exceeding the fiftieth part of an inch; and the fact that it is balanced or sustained against the attractive influence of the magnet, I am able to drive the machine at a very high speed by the application of very little power; and owing to the fact that the armature is operated only in close proximity to the magnet where the attraction and inductive action are very powerful, I produce in the wire induced currents of great quantity and intensity.<"

Cheers ............. Graham.

[tachyon]

can someone explain this effect preferably without referencing me to UFOs?

[erfinder]

can someone explain this effect preferably without referencing me to UFOs?

If you're referring to what I posted about the Bedini patent, and the wiring diagram, which is more or less directly related t the topic at hand, I'd be happy to continue, on the other hand if you are referring to the Wesly device, I will pass that ball to GSM.

Regards

[GSM]

can someone explain this effect preferably without referencing me to UFOs?

Thanks for the laugh from your question Tachyon.

Watch the video.
Wesley Gary Neutral Zone - Video Dailymotion

Although the magnet is not rotating, the field in the ferrite rod is alternating with magnet movement so small that it is hard to do by hand.
Except !!!!! This is not a typical rotation-sine electrical generation; it is a state change within the rod with field direction reversals (an electron orbit precession wave) racing through it at such speed that this can generate, via a coil overwind, an electrical output from moving the magnet by only a tiny fraction of an inch.

Yes Erfinder, the effect is less powerful than that from a closely passing magnet/core or field line cutting by wire conductors, but there are NO cogging or physical attraction forces to overcome once the attraction force is already overcome by spring adjustment.
Thereafter the frequency of mechanical (or electrical inducement) upon the armature core merely need be increased to obtain useful output, as did Gary with frequency, also Hubbard with 8 much larger (armature) cores around a central slower pulsing (energised) magnetic drive.
Do you not realise that you asked me to put my neck in a noose by demonstrating that which you sought to see clarified Erfinder ?
No way ....... its not a ball anyone should be caught holding !

Wesley wrote about the neutral zone of a magnet, but the only neutral zone related to the attraction force of a magnet itself lies on the line equi-distant between its poles, yet this is a neutral line still fully crossed by continuous field lines between the poles, and more powerfully so with a horse-shoe construction. Also, Wesley's neutral zone relates to field inductions where the magnet is either a horse-shoe type, or one constructed from a bar magnet types with horse-shoe pole piece extensions, not plain bar magnets, or the overwound core is a horse-shoe with respect to a magnet/ intermediate bar.

Wesley Gary's "neutral zone" actually relates to the armature, and the field induced within an armature by a magnet (not stated) (Hendershot Motor?), about which he illustrates the imaginary effect induced by the *armature's reaction* within the highly flexible magnet field in free space. He deemed the neutral zone to be determined by an armature or keeper losing its attraction to a steel nail, whereas it was the field reversal within the armature which repelled the more remanent steel pin. Yes I replicated that aspect too, and the result is exactly as Wesley described.

Wesley had the luxury of being able to develop and Patent his idea/ invention in the pre-electric steam age, before 'Big Oil' took over our 'governments', 'science' and *education*, all of which since Wesley's time have become extremely flawed due to peer control.

I started writing here in Duncan's thread because I felt that Steven's device might also have been creating Wesley Gary like rotational neutral zone induced field-flip output pulses, but after struggling with interpretation of his 'Wardforce' device I have completely failed to comprehend the modus-operandii descriptions offered.

Cheers ................ Graham.

[Duncan]

I'm not at all sure there is a proof available in the terms you indicate GSM Its rather like requesting a proof of gravity .. you just accept it is so , One mass is operating on another and convention tells us there is nothing in between ? No aether .. nothing .. yet no one is asked to prove Gravity.. Its preposterous ! Mind you I certainly don’t withhold the invitation on this thread! If you can prove gravity be my guest.
The standard Dogma then is ridiculous for all its endless pages of gabble (just as Tesla said)
today's scientists....
So you actually ask Steven to defend an effect , and also then demonstrate another similarly undocumented effect . I would cry Boo, foul, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
That this spiral effect in magnetics is there why I'll accept that .. here's a few demonstrations of it
Magnetic Vortex Spin Demonstration by Magnetflipper - YouTube
Magnet Vortex Revelation by Magnetflipper - YouTube
And IMHO (for what its worth) here is the reverse action as the action of the permanent magnetic holder of coral castle fame responds dynamically
Video 1 - YouTube
So please keep in Mind as Steve tells you himself .. he is not a Dr or a Phd he is an inventor and an investigator .. none of you can prove the ridiculus concept of gravity and the reality you accept ,
yet you seem to expect a real event to be described from this flawed platform . That's not going to ever happen is it ?
We are surly skating with chaos , The infinite and infinity and present maths and science cant deal with the concepts ,
If it were an argument (which it isn't as Steve has said its an effect he has seen and is developing) perhaps off an old patent .. or many who knows .. or cares, that's called research. However its
not some thesis with more confusing twaddle. Why the guy gets my vote! And so does Mr Gary although I spent many hours trying to get the two horse shoe magnet thing going with no joy!
But perhaps if folks can stop getting apples and oranges mixed up ?

[GSM]

Hi Dave,

I had great respect for you here up to now. Discussion is one thing, but after what I feel is your purposeful (?) challenge to my personal integrity, I don't want to be anywhere near your presence.

So keep your gravity and chaos - I'm away ! (Hence no point in you attempting a reply to me.)

EVERYONE HERE - you should replicate the Wesley Gary neutral line regarding a wound armature (similar in the Hendershot buzzer) - exactly as Wesley TRUTHFULLY reported - as I did after making that video - as Hubbard did too only in a slightly different (non-radioactive) way.
Wesley Gary's Magnetic Motor
We don't need any more distractions and videos, make your own conclusions and base your investigations upon Wesley's gift to mankind !

Cheers ............ Graham.

PS. Dave = Duncan.
Everyone - Emulate Wesley Gary Magnet Generator !!!!!

[Duncan]

Who's Dave ? And Certainly nothing personal involved .. and nothing to do with anyone’s integrity and sorry you take it so , sad to see you leave the discussion in a tiff .. these things happen

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[Energy-Ingenuity.com]

Where you born that way or did you take classes?

Hi Steven,

What are the 'Buy Now' and 'Donate' buttons for ?
Are you Donating your self proclaimed knowledge towards a better world for humanity or not ?
If I am expected to buy whatever your explanation is, then I most certainly shall not be - I have not had a job for 20+ years due to injury, and yet I have never ever expected anyone to pay me for any informations I have FREELY shared, or when published, I requested that all payments be made directly to a cancer hospice.

Also, your stating of "outputs both electrical and mechanical energy" is meaningless in isolation, and a rotor speeding up when a switch is closed proves nothing without a full explanation of everything involved.

Are you claiming that your arrangement outputs an energy total greater than that used to energise it, this such that your device is capable of running itself with a provision of excess output as Akula has demonstrated with his device atop a table out in his garden, similarly Kapanadze with his generator inside a fish tank out on a stony beach ?

United States Patent: 7531930

Free videos, hand drawings and list of materials needed

So please, is there a page of links whereby you clearly share useful advice with explanatory drawings so that humanity might eventually free itself of the self appointed Powers That Be parasites presently giving themselves rights to not only control and tax (legalised theft) from all of us, but also to corrupt the minds of our young children ?

Folk need better than this if they are not to waste time here in the same way that I already have !

Cheers ................ Graham.

Graham,

I don't know if you took a class. I give all this information for FREE, look on my website. I have proven my claims, US patent # 7,531,930. I paid money so that YOU and others all over the world could know, about Wardforce. A Patent is nothing more than a blue print of how and what. I give a list of what and where to get the stuff needed to verify for yourself, if you don't want to believe the Videos, or the US patent office, and you don't want to come to Texas to see some of my prototypes.

If you don't want to know about it, don't. I ask anyone to help anyway they can. I do not have to prove anything to you. Do not disrespect me again.

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[Energy-Ingenuity.com]

Did you hear what was said when automated manufacturing started?

Calm down folks there seems to be an adversarial tone not so much “creeping” as leaping in here.
Steve personally I have no doubt your your machine does what you see and say. For others on this thread it behoves that I convert and reposted your video so they can see it Wardforce - YouTube
As you say you are not a professor or a Dr however I'm certain you are sincere and you have obviously spent huge amounts of money and time on your project I might add so have hundreds if not many thousands of like people over the years.(me too) Like you Steve I have spent many years researching and building I've built a lot of pup's and also quite a few machines that do what the inventors promised they would. I'm quite happy to state here and now Steve (regardless of if you believe it or not) that the Mayer car … the Moray system and a huge percentage of the rest “did and do” exactly what the Inventors said. I could list a hundred if not a thousand such machines Tptb (The powers that be) know of them and they know the science behind them . Lets for a moment assume “Wardforce” got out of the box first (which it won't) not quite yet anyway, There are I promise you hundreds of far more deserving cases for the prize money or prestige in the queue in front of you and have been for many years, the same would go for erfinder for all the mysterious “there's oh so much more”.. well publish it then! Its Ironic Steve that you project to the education committee that your system would “generate wealth work and prosperity for America” when in fact if your system (or any other free energy system) was accepted today .. the American economy would collapse in anarchy tomorrow. It would certainly take my little bug hole (Britain) with it!and create world wide chaos, of course the truth you have found will come to light .. all truths do eventually. But the “eventually” gives the real owners of America “The real owners”...
George Carlin on "the American Dream" - YouTube
time to move all the real assets and technology out .. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you where to its obvious! The Idea of me projecting American History to an American is obviously very tongue in cheek Steven but you may be wondering what forces keep these wonderful machines “locked up” So for the sake of your wallet, the safety of your family and loved ones particularly the children you profess to be helping. I hope you find the time to read and digest the implications of what I posted here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post241912
I, like many others here Steve have made machines that are COP>1 and if I could get to an applied mathematical resolve for why they work I would publish immediately . Scraping bits off things or abstractly winding coils .. doesn't answer . Although It does challenge the “mental block” That many people have and weakens the dam wall a little bit more. Which is why I keep posting such work as yours . I find with the machines like yours that go COP>1, at the core of the mathematics you are faced with the bug bears of .. chaos, infinity and/or the infinitesimal. Of course if you can make it so simple Joe soap can make a viable powerful machine in his garage .. quickly, for buttons , non of that applies and nothing will stop your machine. Except your demise, (which would be pretty quick)
In the land of the free .. in fact as far as free energy goes I think its land of the free “Mortal coil”
Opie & Anthony: Stan Meyer's Water Car - YouTube
Of course I don't want to try and insist my simple view of recent American history is correct and perhaps a pukka social historian could draw a better picture . However I have been in the position of watching folks killed in front of of me by this malignant force so … beware ! I Include the following links and clips also Steve that you might better understand the politics of “free energy” and why I keep posting viable systems .. just like yours
Because of the skewed dollar / money slight of hand … when huge amounts of oil were discovered on American soil .. well you can imagine Steve “free or cheap energy” is the very last thing tptb wanted … here is an American Baptist minister telling us the result of exactly that.. again sorry its an aged video
The Energy Non-Crisis- Lindsay Williams -Truth about Oil and Oil prices - YouTube
Of course I have no crystal Ball I can't see the future , here is a possible American and World future as portrayed in the film “The end game”
EndGame HQ full length version - YouTube
There is as I said Steve huge forces at play .. it has even been suggested that some forums .. a little bit like this one .. are opened, operated , and populated by paid opposition … (just imagine that) in order to control so called “free energy” information. And as for patents being any sort of proof .. I'm afraid its almost the reverse, anyway Steve I'm sure this will give you a taste of the forces at play
'Energy Suppression -- An Invisible Galaxy of Inventions' by Christopher Bird
I'm sure you must be aware of some of them even if you don't really want to believe .. I guess Its why people release little bits of information at a time ! It just moves the bar up a little bit for tptb.
you can be pretty sure at the core of forums just like this one … folks start to sort the wheat from the chaff and know pretty much the white hats and the black hats .. also be aware Steve that for every member reading this there are 10 “guests” and even the member might just want some project to “make his own” or be a member of the opposition, just waiting take a pop at you and keep your system "in the box", In the meantime I'm delighted you have come on thread and explained a little of your work!

Just so you know, they said the same thing when changing from assembly lines. Energy from Magnets is nothing after you see that another part to the Magnetic Field has been isolated from the Poles. Most of the links to my website are from Russian websites, does that sound like only Texas to you? Can you cause a Galileo Thermometer to stop working properly? This could give an understanding of "Global Warming", as it is called.

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[Energy-Ingenuity.com]

Thank you Duncan for uploading that video.

Hi Steven,
*YES*
this is about our children
BUT
I do not see any guidance from you for them.

Educators do not give a **** (my asterisks) about our children, only their own self ascendeny via peer review = peer control !
Patent Officers do not give a **** about our children either, only their control of rights to make profit !

However there is one thing none of them can control, and that is the fundamental laws of physics, no matter who discovers them, and whose name the *scientific peer group* agree to *honour* via those discoveries, through naming units of measurement or physical laws after proponents.

This guy is one of my 'heroes' -
Professor Eric Laithwaite gives a demonstration of a large gyro wheel - YouTube

Look at that effect - it is what happens to electrons and their fundamental magnetic centres too !!!!!

Eric lectured his findings to the prestigious Royal Institution in London, and immediately this became the ONLY lecture in their 200 year history to NOT be written up and noted within their historical archive !!!!!

Why ? Because he had challenged Newton's Laws of Motion.

Many years later when orbital (electron) mathematics became translatable to his induced gyroscope rotation (already electron spinning *axes*) force translation of motion (current-magnetism) into action along a third previously unenergised axis, could it be realised that he was not actually challenging Newton's Laws, but was adding to them !!!!!

In the meantime he was banned from public lecturing, though was allowed to continue with his industry funded research projects.

Steven, you will not get anywhere challenging Lenz's laws, yet at the same time are you sure you ought not be adding to them instead ?

Personally I don't give a damn for whoever the *scientists* state I should regard as being discoverers or inventors by using their names. They state that Schottky invented transistors; what about Moray who was denied Patents based upon the *opinion* of Patent agents. It is the same with so many supposed firsts throughout our history, in that the 'truths' maintained by our peer groups and rulers are not Truths, but Lies maintained in ways that can become 'evidence' in 'legal' Courts.

Steven, I don't give a damn about Lenz Law or Wardforce. All that counts is fundamental physical activity and truthful impersonal reporting of same.

I put it to you that your device, which you are attracting attention to, embodies the same operational fundamentals as did Gary's, Hubbard's and Hendershot's before. Also, that like Laithwaite before you, by engaging in challenging the body of science itself (where Patents are meaningless anyway) you yourself are constructing the brick walls which authorities will ensure are used to protect all our children from your unacceptable challenges and ideologies !!!!!

By claiming yourself the discoverer of something you have called 'Wardforce', which you have not clearly and openly explained for everyone to study, you have ensured that that which you have stated already belongs to our children, will not be granted scientific airing nor identity.

Yes - we are now in an Internet world, and because of the way that experts and politicians have totally screwed up this present world, things are going to change big time, and we will reach the point where our children need energy to maintain survival - via the open sharing of knowledge - where this knowledge of fundamental universal physical behaviours and relationships cannot be bound by any 'scientific' name or authorship.

So Steven, I still look forwards to reading an explanation of your Wardforce concept and your deduction of its activity, so that I can mentally appreciate the fundamental physical electron-magnet bound relationships your device-patent cannot fail to embody.


Cheers .............. Graham.

Wesley Gary. Look at his single armature alternating through series/parallel field coupling; two pulses per single motion.
His source field was a magnet ending with pole pieces, and longer = more powerful.
Heck there could even have been more armature cores around his source field exactly as Hubbard demonstrated.
Hendershot's buzzer pulsing was an inverse of Gary field/movement, and all this is history -
even if not scientifically recorded for the benefit of our children !

Graham,

Do they cause steel to go away from both Poles, then towards, away...? I guess they are not doing the same thing I am then. I see you took a class and learned someone else's opinion of what they were taught.

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[barbosi]

Graham,

Do they cause steel to go away from both Poles, then towards, away...? I guess they are not doing the same thing I am then. I see you took a class and learned someone else's opinion of what they were taught.

Energy-Ingenuity.com

Where are you demonstrating this?