and what do you make of this unpretentious little effort boys and girls?

[Duncan]

Chas Chambell Free Energy Generator Replica - Generating 2340 Watts using 750W - YouTube

there's plenty of similar. lots of people learning the trick now

[Mario]

Too bad there's no meter on the input…

Mario

[interdesign21]

starting power

@Mario
Depends of what you see.
What I see is a machine already looped, which starts (only) with the mechanical starting input from the drill, and works by itself afterwards, consuming 750W for its own functioning, from the 2340W produced.
The camera gives a view underneath (at the end) to show that the machine is not connected to anything. Therefore, cannot have a meter at input. (you may calculate the power/time consumed by the drill to start the process)

I may be wrong, of course (my view may be biased with my desire)
regards
Alvaro

[Cornboy 555]

Hey Guy's, from what i can gleen from the vid, the drive motor has an input from mains, the drill is used simply because the motor would have a very hard time starting a mass like that flywheel, etc.

I agree it is a shame that no measurement was made on the input to the run motor.

We are left to asume that the input power is what they say.

Regards Cornboy.

[Matthew Jones]

The thing to know in one of these setups is the difference between the magnetic model at regular speed and at the high speed that it runs on. I think the flywheels do little more than remove rapid cogging caused from driving the generator over speed.

I really have hard time believing someone would build that thing, counting the cost alone, just to be untruthful. If I spent that money and didn't work I would slander the hell out of someone, not promote it.

It would be nice to see more measurement though. But one thing I did notice was no Lag or sound of lag in the gen when it was loaded down. Again thats why I believe the gen at high speeds is changing its behavior.

Matt

[boguslaw]

FUELLESS GENERATOR - YouTube

[boguslaw]

Fueless self-sustaining generator invented by Edo State school teacher - YouTube

[Duncan]

super delux model ... from the rolls royce factory

Dont Ya just love it Boguslaw they haven't been brainwashed and conditioned so they can do it ! TPTB (the powers that be ) and their criminal friends the banksters who control our exsistance and education make sure we know it can't be done with total crap about power in and power out .. so guess what anyone riddled with that stuff .. cant do it.



As I write hundreds of these things are being made IMHO the Jigs up

[dR-Green]

Dont Ya just love it Boguslaw they haven't been brainwashed and conditioned so they can do it ! TPTB (the powers that be ) and their criminal friends the banksters who control our exsistance and education make sure we know it can't be done with total crap about power in and power out .. so guess what anyone riddled with that stuff .. cant do it.

What kind of nonsense is this? Brainwashed into looking for a ratio of input to output? How do you propose to define the output as being free energy if you do not know the input?

lots of people learning the trick now

Indeed. Your statement contains one important word. I believe you already know which one it is.

[Gdez]

maybe your right

@ Duncan,
I'm kinda with you...Maybe all of us skeptics are just missing something simple. It's hard to tell. With the ease of making a pretty cool youtube video, anybody can say anything, but look at the vids of people that are not asking for money, some are quite interesting. It seems that with all these claims, someone would have nailed it by now.
Well,
It's not like I don't have enough projects going, but this one seems pretty easy to replicate if I can put tires under it. I have dually, so I have extra tires.
Also check this out(from keelynet)--

Student invents technology to produce world’s ‘cheapest’ power

if this q-mogen thing is going maybe one of them actually works. Especially the one with the tires. (I have lot's of them)
.
Anyway.. food for thought,
Greg

[Duncan]

There are non so blind as those who .. wont even look

What kind of nonsense is this? Brainwashed into looking for a ratio of input to output? How do you propose to define the output as being free energy if you do not know the input?



Indeed. Your statement contains one important word. I believe you already know which one it is.

Well Its so deeply entrenched and folks get very upset when you touch the raw nerve I hesitate to try in your case dr green .. I recall I tried before with you on a thread and you got quickly bent out of shape .. that aside I'll try again because with out radically altering the view point and focus you'll never ever get the gist of what's happening here . One of the few things that Albert Einstein said that wasn't a prostituted lie is a mantra well known by every ten year old school child

'Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.'

Given that the statement is true and you have a machine transforming some of it , why would you want to measure anything ? Regardless of what your silly instruments say there is just as much energy as ever there was if its transformed into a form we are to stupid to use or have not got the Instruments to measure .. that's neither here nor there the law still stands … Its actually the instruments themselves that destroy the effect in most cases anyway.
You can like Einstein and Tesla view energy in much the same way as water I often hear folks saying there's a water shortage on the planet Its getting scarce, Really where does it go ? Get in its space ship and leave ? It may spend some time inside you , or perhaps a cow maybe meandering along Tennyson’s Babbling brook or in a sea somewhere however very quickly it will be scooped up by the miraculous giant irrigation system that drives our planet and fall again as pure sweet rain water . Just as Its been doing for millions of years . There is no more or less water in our universe than there was millions of years ago , In this regard Rain water has as much to do with a water company as Energy has to do with a power company … Nothing.
Its a huge scam and as regards electricity it has been for over one hundred and thirty years. About two hundred 'elite' hold the enslavement policy in place with the assistance of their criminal Bankster friends. Tesla put the first grid together and before ever it was commissioned he knew it was obsolete. The banksters however usurped him and when he tried to atone they destroyed his reputation and eventually murdered him. Here then is a short clip of Tom Bearden explaining what a real white elephant and a mill stone around peoples necks the power grid system is . And Mr dr Green IMHO this really is exactly how it is ..

Tom Bearden "Radient energy" - YouTube

Its essentially an open system where would you want to put instruments anyway ? By the machine ? By the energy meter ? By the first substation ? The generator ? The turbine ? The boiler house ? Every reading would be radically different making the operation quite meaningless anyway
Its all part of the brainwashing !
I can see quite clearly how each of these machines is working and why, I understand how to tune them and what they are being tuned to, I have posted on it several times particularly regarding lead acid batteries .. It makes no difference the mass hypnosis is far to deep. It really is just as John Bedini pointed out … you can show people and even do it right in front of their eyes … they still won't believe it. I really don't know why I try I must write pages and put lots of effort in just for someone so blind they will not see to write .. nonsense
Anyway to answer the question where to measure energy .. you don't you don't need to, energy like the rain is a free gift of nature and so you simply learn how to access it and then use it as you require.
It is getting pretty pointless going over the theory again and again events are taking over now anyway hundreds of these machines are appearing around the world. They work Its becoming undeniable and like it or not the lies and corruption are going to be clearly exposed .
A bit like Tesla's snowball an Avalanche is on the way!The Jig is pretty much up!

[Duncan]

like this If your gonna try ..

@ Duncan,
I'm kinda with you...Maybe all of us skeptics are just missing something simple. It's hard to tell. With the ease of making a pretty cool youtube video, anybody can say anything, but look at the vids of people that are not asking for money, some are quite interesting. It seems that with all these claims, someone would have nailed it by now.
Well,
It's not like I don't have enough projects going, but this one seems pretty easy to replicate if I can put tires under it. I have dually, so I have extra tires.
Also check this out(from keelynet)--

Student invents technology to produce world’s ‘cheapest’ power

if this q-mogen thing is going maybe one of them actually works. Especially the one with the tires. (I have lot's of them)
.
Anyway.. food for thought,
Greg

Hi Greg Interesting link although I personally object to Shahid's direction. Arranging for and putting multi Mw machines into the hands of Governments and their owners the corporations is exactly what is not required . To make small (perhaps 10 KW devices) available to each family and household that’s more like what’s required .
Anyway If you intend to try building one of these battery machines here's a few guide lines for you
First the picture I have displayed is of one of the first Nigerian machines. It arrived as a word document and Stirling has tried to get it to make sense with the help of some guy called Terry Wolf
OS: Nigerian QMoGen Plans - PESWiki



http://peswiki.com/images/8/80/Niger...ryWolf_400.jpg
I don't recommend this system its tetchy to set up and for what its worth I think the schematic is a pigs ear and so I'll try and correct that, explain to you where the energy comes from and how this thing works step by step with comparison with other known working testable situations … fair enough ? The first thing I'd like you to do Greg is ignore the motor and the generator and focus just on the Lead acid batteries . Which ever way you want to try and cut the cake you are asking those batteries to supply power whilst still remaining fully charged. Here then is where our power in /power out guys get up and leave the room . However consider how a lead acid battery is bought
do you buy a 10KW /H battery no of course not. You buy a battery by Ampere-hours and nothing else … to put this very simply you could charge your battery at say 100Amps at 0.1 volts so using 10 watts or you could charge your battery at 100Amps at 10 v so using 1000 Watts The charging effect on the battery would be identical just as the book says however in this case its possible to charge and keep charged a lead acid battery using no “real power” The vast majority of the current in this case Is what's called in our day and age reactive current .. If I were to tell you that in older books reactive current is called “magnetic current” depending on how familiar you are with the books from Coral Castle It should give you a big Idea of where this extra current is coming from. .
There is far to much theory for me to try and cover resonance regarding battery theory but Its been covered pretty well by Hector and the rotorverter team although he is considering magnetic flux .. Its also only current dependant
you'll find that on page six of there course material which you can down load here

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/RE-OU-v6.1.pdf

There now arises another bitter pill for the power in / power out numpties .. and Its this .. Reactive power also known as “The watt-less component” is supposed to be exactly that and if it isn't the whole cracked farce tumbles … In other words If pretty much pure reactive power charges lead acid batteries as I'm telling you it does .. The arse falls out of AC theory. Now I've actually done these experiments .. I found it a tad hairy , I'm none to keen on a capacitor straight across the grid .. and I found the cracking and popping noise as heavily sulphated batteries came rapidly back to life disconcerting. Of course I know there is no “real power” In the true sense of the word and Its really just a huge current never the less Its disconcerting . So is charging huge banks of batteries in minuets .. still that's what happens. Here is an article specifically about .. charging batteries exactly like that. e I suggest you digest what is happening here because Its the key component of these small DC machines .. The Batteries are charging with Magnetic current by being kept close to resonance and so are using very little “real power” whilst easily supplying the DC Motor with enough real power to drive the alternator.

Capacitive battery charging has been known about for a long time .. not many folks like pushing it anywhere near resonance This American guy says with what I now consider understatement its kinda scary

Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy

still that's where the battery needs to be .. Now if you have firmly grasped whats going there and why you can I hope see where the capacitor fits in , In fact with no disrespect to Terry Wolf I'll now redraw his circuit . The center tapped transformer has been used for two reasons a/ It gives a much higher ripple frequency and b/ two pretty big individual diodes can be used .. of course Its just my Interpritation of what should be happening here, I'm also pretty rank at drawing so I'll let someone else clean it up



I suspect the two diodes in practice would be the individual diodes normally used for the replacement of blown Diodes in lorries Alternator packs .. I have to say I haven't tried this circuit although I have tried reactive current resonant battery charging and this is the best fist I can make of it at the moment …

[boguslaw]

I think I could give you important tip , I concluded from all those videos that motor-generator set are working ONLY when previously sped up to the critical speed , sometimes also the special motor or a modified generator or additional circuit is required.... I will build one soon I hope.

[dR-Green]

I hesitate to try in your case dr green .. I recall I tried before with you on a thread and you got quickly bent out of shape

When was that?

Given that the statement is true and you have a machine transforming some of it , why would you want to measure anything ?

?? This statement is simply you shooting yourself in the foot. If you don't measure anything then you have no way of knowing whether you have gained or lost anything in the first place.

You would want to measure something in order to know.

I often hear folks saying there's a water shortage on the planet Its getting scarce, Really where does it go ? Get in its space ship and leave ?

Put the claim within the CORRECT context in which it is intended. There is a "shortage" of CLEAN water. Go to any random location on the planet and start drinking from the puddles of water that you find on the ground. We will soon see how long you last. Farmland around your river renders your river unsafe to drink without some form of processing. The safest option is to catch it as it falls from the sky.

"Free energy" itself is a huge scam because no one seems to get it. The power that's generated costs nothing, even if they burn coal, the coal is free. It doesn't make any difference what the source of it is. If they deliver it to you through their system then they are free to charge you for using their system, or they can choose to give it to you at no cost. There is no magic here. It's simply business. What you are saying is that you want someone else to pay to set it all up, and then give it to you at no cost. Why should they? They have to pay for the materials and the workers. If you want it to be free then the roots extend far beyond the idea of "free energy" and simply deciding to not give you a bill. The workers expect to be paid for their work, just as you do.

Its essentially an open system where would you want to put instruments anyway ? By the machine ? By the energy meter ? By the first substation ? The generator ? The turbine ? The boiler house ? Every reading would be radically different making the operation quite meaningless anyway

I can set up a rain catch and a bucket to capture the rain as it falls from the sky. Then I can measure the amount of water that is in the bucket. Magic!

You don't seem to get it. If you are not measuring anything, then you have absolutely no possibility of being able to even claim that anything is gained for free. Then rallying up the masses to support it simply makes you the disinformant, you are deliberately posting easily disproved claims with total disregard for how anyone else of scientific mind might perceive it, you are happy to say that they are brainwashed. Rest assured it is they who see you as the brainwashed nutter who should only be ignored as a lunatic, along with the rest of the "free energy community" because you willingly throw out any science, you have no interest in advancing science to take the claims seriously. You are pissing into the stream of clean water and polluting the whole thing for everyone downriver.

[edit] As well meaning as you may be (or possibly not), if you want them to take it seriously then to a certain extent you have to play the game by their rules. Saying that they are brainwashed doesn't advance the science, it simply puts you into the realms of nutters and ensures that it will always be excluded from any serious scientific research.

[boguslaw]

Measuring or not , the final answer must be simple , like connecting motor to generator and powering load without consuming any matter except those parts which wear out in time..... and even child would see and measure output. WE NEED simple definitive answer ! One can measure something which other person would dispute for hours, that's not the way it should be!