Question of energy!

[android3000]

Hai,
Anyone know why energy cant be created or destroyed?
Maybe the answer can shed some light on the question of overunity devices.

[spiralout]

How can one create or destroy something that has no physical presence?

[android3000]

Wooooo......

Do you mean like a ghost?
but energy can be calculated,it has finite value..
i think scientist has misunderstand the concept of energy..

[boguslaw]

Yes, there is something strange about that.... Think about the change of energy level by simply pushing up the mass in gravity field. The same energy (or a little less due to looses) can be recovered when the mass fall down.
However pushing mass up require work to be done, it doesn't magically move up. So it is you or lever or machine or your neighbour who did that, and you know what ?.... Your energy level also was changed That is where the "work done" is coming in the picture

[android3000]

i mean people misunderstood energy as a substance or at lease treat it as a substance like water or something, more accurately i say like mass.. but energy is not..

energy actually is a ratio.. i mean it like density..
density is a ratio of mass per volume.. now think it carefully! density cant be created or destroy, why? cos it just comparison between two value or in physics called dimension. density can be really small like at edge of earth atmosphere the density of the air is small but it there, as long there is mass there also density, thus the concept cant be destroyed. it cant be created either cos of it attachment to mass, you can create mass but not density.

let look electrically...

consider electric field.
energy in electric field equal to 1/2 x capacitance x voltage square.. right!
but voltage = charge per capacitance thus
energy = 1/2 x charge square per capacitance;
or you can say that energy is ratio of charge to capacitance..
now capacitance actually just space thus energy is ratio of charge over space just like density the ratio of mass over volume...

from here you should know that density can be change, either by changing mass or changing the volume, increase mass increase density, reduce mass reduce density.. increase volume reduce density.. yeh you get it by now...

energy follow the same principle, increase charge increase energy or reduce capacitance increase energy (eric dollard)...

and remember, power is change of energy over time thus power manifest as change occur in charge or capacitance..

[Hrothgar]

Good question.

Conservation of energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice that all of the jargon, conjecture, gobbledygook, and math boil down to one thing. If quantity "A" goes in quantity "A" comes out even if "A" takes on another form. That is Unity.

If you abide by the pure condition of What goes in comes out then there is no Over Unity. OU has been twisted in the FE sense to mean Over User Input So technically it should be OUI. How much input goes into a solar panel from the user?

FE is the exploitation of contact points between separate systems to assimilate usable energy. Solar, wind, water, and everything else so far known is OUI not OU.

[Farmhand]

You cannot manufacture or make energy because energy is work or "work done".

It is impossible for a person to make work and put it on a shelf. Energy is not a
"thing" it a measurement of the amount of work done or the potential to do work
is potential energy. Energy equals work done or work that can be done.

Cheers

[Stealth]

My 2 cents. If energy cannot be created or destroyed, then it never existed in the first place, because it was never created. It is a catch 22 situation where it is an illogical statement used to teach the masses. It must have another name because it was never created. So theoretically , energy doesn't exists. Good Luck. stealth

[promt]

My 2 cents. If energy cannot be created or destroyed, then it never existed in the first place, because it was never created. It is a catch 22 situation where it is an illogical statement used to teach the masses. It must have another name because it was never created. So theoretically , energy doesn't exists. Good Luck. stealth

Nice point, Stealth!
It's again about Egg and Chicken .
The Energy can't be considered as a material thing without a Time.
As soon as we talk about something that changed during period of time we talking about energy change, condition of the Mass, the Matter; it's ability to do something.
And where it come from in the first place - that's the Question!
It's always been around. The Universe is Endless,Timeless, It has always been and always will be, and will always be changing.
The Big Bang, the Strings or Aither theories are just our imaginations of what it WOULD be in the Beginning; and only right answer is "in the beginning was Word"!!
And that's the answer to Egg/Chick question, to "Energy conservation" question.
Bit it's "a little" beyond of our popular "Scientific" realm.
The observable universe is not just a material world reflected by OUR senses and devices (they're limited), it has Dimensions, it has Structure, Conscious, Mind if you will.
Cheers.

[Stealth]

Exactly. The fact that we are surrounded by a sea of energy confirms that it must have been created by something or someone at some time, by some means. It has been called many things down through the ages as scientists tried to cope with it. It is not seen, heard or felt, although we bathe in it every day. It has been called Aether, zero point, radiant and Tesla called it kinetic. But with all our sophisticated instruments we can't measure it. It is most like light, it can't be seen until it comes into contact with a mass and is revealed. How far have we really advanced in our understanding of it? Shall We simply call it energy and let it go at that? Once we truly understand what it is and how to manipulate it, we will have endless energy at out disposal, just as Tesla said,"one day mankind will tie his machinery to the wheelwork of nature". Many obstacles stand in our way, mostly from disinformation and the mounds of it we have to sort through trying to find one thread of truth. Good Luck. stealth

[Farmhand]

But Stealth, if you say someone or something created energy, then you must
surely consider that something else again must have created the thing that
created energy ect. and so on.

My opinion is (and I believe energy is all and all is energy, inter-changeable kind of thing)

That the "Universe", meaning everything there is, no exceptions, always has
been and always will be, in some form or another, without loss overall, in the big
scheme of things. (After all, there would be nowhere else for anything to go to
or come from because the "Universe" encompasses everything that exists.

The big bang was just the end of one "cycle" and the beginning of another cycle.

All the original matter and energy is still all contained in the Universe because
the Universe is everything, to destroy something would be to wipe it from
existence. To create something now would be to bring into existence
something that did not previously exist within the entire Universe of everything.
A bold statement. To create a "thing" from nothing into existence.

I do not believe such things are possible.

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Is there other levels of consciousness ? I would have to say yes.

What makes us us is not flesh and bone it is energy "thought", "the thinking
mind", is us, consciousness-awareness-focus, all energy.

Cheers

P.S. I am in no way implying that we already even perceive the Universe in its
entire complexity, or properly understand that which we do, I'm talking of
logical overall outlook kind of thing.

I think I agree with some parts of many peoples way of seeing it, none of us
can say for sure, I don't think.

Free energy is everywhere.

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[boguslaw]

Nature works in duality. White is never too white and black is never too black. Exists Prana and Akasha. Akasha is like a silent surface of ocean, Prana is like a wave on it. Prana makes energy, but energy is never created, and Prana destroys energy but energy is never destroyed...
It works like this : for any action there is equal and opposite reaction, for any wave bump up there is wave down part equal and opposite ; in first place energy is created in other destroyed - but if you are blind to analyse only one place then energy is conserved. Some waves are stable and persist for long time - it is matter, mostly the whirls in Akasha. They always are sustained by balanced flows in and out of waves and the whole complex interactions between Akasha and Prana sustaining all matter we call Ether. If the flow of Prana waves in and out of the place are out of balance then movement is noticed.

[android3000]

This thread becomes religious...

Why people still think that we need energy to do work..
you do not need energy to do work since energy is everywhere, what you need is power (ability to change/move energy) this power comes from ability to change the parameter that define energy....

[spiralout]

Do you mean like a ghost?

Indeed, the ghost of Christmas past...

I think the reason we find it so difficult to wrap our minds around these questions is that ultimately,
if you really sink yourself into them, you are bound to reach a point where you realize the whole god
damn thing is a paradox. For example, if we agree that the amount of energy (whatever the f*ck that is...)
and matter in the universe have always been and always will be the same, we can say that the universe is,
in a sense, fixed and defined. Yet, at the same time it is also constantly in motion, evolving and transforming.
how can one be both in the same time?

I guess that at some point you have to accept that it's just is and than move on to the really interesting
question, what is the "mechanism" that allows this paradox to exist? To me it seems that there's an endless
gradient from the unperceivable realm of energy into tangible matter and back again. A friend of mine made
a wall painting that I find to be a good example of what I mean, the quality of the pictures is not great but
you can get the idea.

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If that is the case and we agree that we cannot create or destroy anything in existence, then the "only"
thing we can do, is to manipulate what already exists to do our bidding. That is what Tesla meant by
"tying our machinery to the wheel works of nature". Nothing new is ever invented, it's always the same thing
in a different form.

[spiralout]

This thread becomes religious...

Why people still think that we need energy to do work..
you do not need energy to do work since energy is everywhere, what you need is power (ability to change/move energy) this power comes from ability to change the parameter that define energy....

Science and religion have much more in common than what most would like
to admit...

What you said about power is interesting, any thoughts of how to go about it
practically?