Gravity Buoyancy Turbine

[Vivek]

Dear All,

Gravity is endless source of power. A hydro-electric station effectively converts gravity to kinetic energy. And the needed replenishment of water is taken care by sun.

Buoyancy is another natural phenomena which can raise a body against gravity. Can this be used as a way for replenishment to realize a Gravity Buoyancy Turbine?

I believe that a turbine can be designed to establish the same. An arrangement in which a body falling in air chamber and raising in water chamber. An innovative mechanism can be designed to push the body from air to water at the bottom of the chamber with minimal friction and hence minimal external force.

Can this be done? If not, can any one give a mathematical proof why it can not work.

I am doing research on the same and already designed couple of options (mechanisms to push a body from air to water at the bottom of water chamber). Looking forward to see why it can not work. I am moving ahead with my plan to proto-type such a device.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,
Vivek

[shylo]

Buoyancy?

Hi Vivek, I've been working with magnetic wheels , using gravity to help spin.
I never thought of the buoyancy thing.
But , I don't think it works against gravity, it is gravity that raises the body.
The mass of the water is greater than the body.
So gravity pulls strongest ,on the greater mass?
Could be wrong though.
artv

[Vivek]

Hi Shylo,

You are right. But see how a ship floats using buoyancy, which acts against gravity. So we can design an object which can have more buoyancy force than the force of gravity on it.

And the idea is to have such an object (may be a closed box with vacuum inside) fall in an air-chamber (using gravity) and raise in a water-chamber due to buoyancy (designed to more than gravity). This is very much possible.

Air-chamber and water-chamber is arranged side by side (on vertical halfs of a wheel). And the big question is about how "smoothly" the object can be inserted at the bottom of the water chamber "against the water head".

I have developed a mechanism for the same too and working on the proto-type now. Hence the discussion.

Regards,
Vivek

[shylo]

the force

I think the force required to , insert an object at the opposing force of the water,...will be greater than what the water is capable of producing.
Magnets work differently.
When you spin magnets ,you can make your own fields.

A ship floating on the ocean,......that's like a feather floating in a tornado.
Every idea has merit. I believe gravity is one of the most important, magnetism 2nd.
I think buoyancy is just a result of the two, or maybe just the one?
I'd like to see what your working on.
Got any pics?
A picture's worth a thousand words.
..artv

[wayne.ct]

I also thought about that idea.

I did some research on that idea. It sounded good at the time but I decided there were other ideas with better chances of success. When I used regular accepted physics formulas the thing didn't work out that well. I don't want to discourage you but keep an open mind to the idea that it might not work out the way you expect. The idea I had that I thought might actually work is to grow some kind a plant or animal that naturally produced gas on the bottom of lakes or somewhere and conduct the gas into the energy collection device as the gas made its way to the surface.

[ajaya999]

Hi,

don't know whether this helps. you may try.

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapter4.pdf

from page 34 buoyancy is discussed.

sorry if i'm wrong.

regards
kumar

[Vivek]

More explanation on Gravity Buoyancy Turbine

Dear artv,


>>A ship floating on the ocean,......that's like a feather floating in a tornado.
The size of the ocean is not a factor. A ship can float even in a pond of same/better length, width and depth. Right? Refer Archimedes principle (Any object, wholly or partially immersed in a fluid, is buoyed up by a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the object). So, we need to have only enough quantity of water (to get displaced), which has got weight equal to the body expected to float on that.

>>Every idea has merit. I believe gravity is one of the most important, magnetism 2nd.
Gravity is important and can be extracted successfully as hydro-electric turbine does it. Replenishment of a potential energy is the key. Just consider that we have n number of similar objects are at different heights and gravity pulls all of them downward. And if you have a mechanism which can consolidate the force (due to gravity) and use aggregated force for pushing just one of them (at a time) to the water column. Will it not work? That is exactly the turbine I propose will do. Please see the enclosed picture for better clarity.

>>I think the force required to , insert an object at the opposing force of the water,...will be greater than what the water is capable of producing.

True, if we consider one single object at a time. But in the turbine I have designed, there are multiple objects fixed at the periphery of a wheel. In which all objects exerts torque on the shaft at the centre in same direction. Some of them due to buoyancy while others are due to gravity. See picture for better clarity. Sum of these torques will be more than enough to push only one object at a time to water chamber.

Also, note that the object is not really pushed but rolled into water chamber. This drastically reduces the effect of opposing force.

A short description of the enclosed picture showing basic arrangement: The picture shows 7 cylindrical objects (which will work as weight in air and as a float in water) mounted on a disc. One half of the disc is filled with water while the other is on air. The red arrows shows the gravity force while green arrows shows buoyancy force on cylinders. The detailed design of the same has been already worked out and this idea is in patent pending stage.
If the working principle is not yet clear, please discuss further. Will be glad to clarify.

I am looking forward to help from someone on mathematical modelling or mathematical analysis of the same.
Any input/guidance/advice in this regard is most welcome.
rgds,
Vivek

[Vivek]

Reply to Wayne and Kumar

Dear Wayne,

Thanks for sharing your views and a word of caution.

Regards, Vivek
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Dear Kumar,

I have seen this prior art earlier as part of my relevant patent search and study. However, I will go through the document which has got many other cases, could be useful.
Thanks,
Vivek

[Vivek]

Support Mathematical Modeling

Can any one help on how the mathematical modeling can be done to check the feasibility.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Vivek

[shylo]

the floating side

Hi Vivek, Won't it take more force to push up through the water, than on the other side that falls through the air.?
The water is more dense , than the air.
artv

[Vivek]

no need to push up

Dear Artv,

We don't need to push it up. Each of the object (closed cylinder with vacuum inside) floats (moves up) by its own. Among the 7 cylindrical objects shown in the picture, 3 are on the air chamber (which are falling) downward while the other three in the water chamber floats (moving up). All six applying torque on the central shaft in the same direction. The seventh cylinder could be in transition from air chamber to water chamber. The torque generated by all six cylinders could be more than enough for pushing (in fact rolling) one cylinder which is in transition.

Hope it is clear. Please feel free to ask if you have further questions. I will be glad to answer.

Regards,
Vivek

[shylo]

friction

Will the 2 frictions , water and air, not be different?
The water will create ,a stronger resistance?

Working with magnetic drive , Get a big wheel up to speed, and you can drive it for next to nothing.
artv

Beautity of magnetic drive , you can add generating coils.

Winding coils now , trying a spiral pattern.

[BobBrown]

viktor schauberger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItsSYwTSnTY

This gentleman from austria, studied the nature of water , he invented the first 'flying saucer' made by man, for Germany back in the 1940s. He made but never perfected a over unity generator that work by spiraling ( vortexing ) water through specialy formed pipes. He designed water turbines that gave 10 times the normal energy output of standard generators.

Reading the first post reminded me of him. Maybe you can get an idea from this video to help with your plans.

Andrew

[Vivek]

Gravity Buoyancy Turbine - Friction Does not matter

Dear artv,

Think of a cylinder (or any body) falling in air. Air friction is there, but the force due to gravity is much more than friction. And hence it falls.

Exactly in the same way, a body designed to float in water floats (moves up) irrespective of the friction by water since the force due to buoyancy is much more than friction by water.

regards,
Vivek