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  • #76
    Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post
    Yes, straight boring magnet kind leading into the transformer. I haven't delved into the resonance because I am still crawling and haven't learned to walk into it yet. However from my observation of emf and magnets I have this to say about the inexplicability of the transformer. The path runs both ways, Clockwise in the core would mean counter clockwise outside the core. Once the outer field intersects the secondary winding it causes the reactionary field that would then couple with the core causing a vortex like assimilation then collapse.

    The thing about the coil is most people don't appreciate the effect that each individual coil has on the whole The first winding is pristine involving a near perfect tiny orbit of flux. but every winding there after ads to the reluctance. If you think about it a coil generally has so many points of reluctance that flux is squeezed out literally out like a rail gun.

    If you hold a magnet to steel the physical force exerted is as if you where trying to keep your hand away from a small breach into outer space. Modern Neo magnets are reputed to loose less than 1% of their pull every 10 years. Studying Neo magnets and Hallbach arrays I eventually determined that it would be possible to create a motionless generator by simulating the Hallbach with three trigger coils with two permanent magnets between and collecting the total output . it wasn't until a few months later that I discovered the Bearden Meg. Oh well so much for my originality. But to my surprise no one can seem to get one functional successfully. So I continue down the rabbit hole undeterred. I study the reaction from that single wire. Reluctance, impedance, saturation, permeability all are pieces of the puzzle of finding the secret of the seamless assimilation of usable energy from permanent magnets. I simply see magnet reactors as a scalable power solution once deciphered.
    Hatem
    did it and I managed to duplicate a little model that worked the key to that is really identical magnets using this effect

    Attraction vs Repulsion in Magnetic Fields - YouTube

    Of course once there’s a difference and you can see it, its possible to engineer it. Which is what he was doing with those wheels. Using that effect to advantage many times over, much to costly and difficult for Joe soap in his garage I thought and so abandoned working on it … its also not suitable for a DC motor drive … as it speeds up the drive motor is relieved .. so it speeds up more, very quickly your getting machine gunned by magnets. Consider two magnets poles opposing one hanging as a pendulum perhaps on a bit of springy net curtain rail . we are considering perpetual motion here or getting near … and the movement is what ? Chaos its certainly not really usable energy in that state . And so effectively what Hatems done could be regarded as getting the horrible unsolvable chaos fields to the top and bottom of a formula and simply cancelling … Its also What I'm doing here with resonance. (reactive current is also known as magnetic current) and as you have seen transformation occurs at resonance which you may also regard as order formed out of chaos
    here's the Hatem build sheets if PM machines are a delight of yours .. you can keep all my share !

    http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b3/201...r%20System.pdf

    http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b3/Magnetic%20Cogging.pdf

    I opened this thread on the topic but there was just apathy so as I say I dumped it

    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post185425

    there's plenty of those things running quietly away in various corners depending where you are you'll soon find one of those to look at and get the gist !
    Last edited by Duncan; 01-08-2014, 06:16 AM.
    Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Bob Smith View Post
      Duncan
      I always enjoy your posts , and while on a mental lunch break at work, I find my mind swimming with innumerable thoughts popping in and out of existence, like those pesky particles around the dipole that Bearden likes to mention every so often. I'll try and grasp a few to weave together a coherent line of thought...

      It seems to me you are talking about the interrelationship between electricity, gravity and magnetism. I assume your reference to the linear impulse or wave is interchangeable with longitudinal or scalar impulse. It's interesting to note that these impulses, though often referred to as waves are really vectors - of which I'm sure you're very well aware; hence the term "impulse" which you use.

      It makes sense that we widen our electro-magnetic-gravitic paradigm to include longitudinal or scalar impulses/vectors. Otherwise, we will never really get off the ground - hehe. I'm convinced that this is the technology behind the flying saucer stuff we've seen since the 1940s 'til present day. Why pin this on some big-eyed extraterrestrial green or grey critters, when it's clear that the Germans, Russians, and likely later, the Americans have been playing with it for decades.

      There've been reports of anti-gravity surrounding the Joe Cell - which as I see it, provides a kind of vortex for condensing aetheiric energy or orgone to energize an engine or battery, or to supercharge water. Weren't there some gravitic anomalies anecdotally ascribed to some of Bedini's early work?

      EPD makes repeated reference to the fact that the sun's energy is really in another dimension. It seems scalar lines of force share a similar characteristic of other-dimensionality, propagating at supraluminal near-instantaneous velocity. Human intentionality is also said to have this same characteristic as scalar in nature. Its in another dimension, yet produces physical change in objects and substances (let alone people) at a distance.

      I keep going back to Tesla's series-wound bifilar pancake coil with its mutual cancellation of magnetic fields, and how it produces or perhaps liberates scalar vectors, and how it figured into so many of Tesla's patents in one way or another.

      My lunch is pretty much over, and something of the mystery has begun to further coalesce into coherent understanding after reading your words. I wonder now what we need to do to get to the next level.

      Is the sun just a spherical concentration of scalar energy, condensed from the universal aether? Do the planets in their orbits, turning on their axes provide us with the grand paradigm for understanding the action of a swbifi pancake coil with its mutual cancellation of mag fields and liberation of scalar lines of force?

      UFOpolitics showed that radiant energy was most concentrated at the centre of his pulsed coils. Might it also be with scalar "energies" at the centre of a swbifi pancake coil? Might this also be a microcosm of our solar system?

      Forgive me if I rambled or led things off course (I hope not). Just trying to pull things to gether and understand, 'cause we're really not in Kansas any more...
      Back to work Bob.
      Yes bob you have my line of thought exactly, except obviously arriving from your own perspective.
      I have moved backwards as you see step by step contemplating the effects of the electromagnetic wave to radio compared to Tesla's and Alexansons wireless which I know works in fact still does here’s the last one in the world running as you know EPD failed to stop the total destruction of the last American example. I'm quite sure they would destroy this one as well for two bent cents .. they don’t like any surviving example of impulse wave machines. that work on a wave that doesn't exist
      UFOpolotics yeh I'm a fan of his stuff too! as for the anti grav stuff I simply can't make anything else fit,

      Tuning up the Alexanderson Alternator at SAQ - 1st July 2012 - YouTube

      It wouldn't surprise me if that building had a catastrophic accident of some sort. Yes you have followed my line of thought I hope that doesn't mean we are both due a visit to the sanatorium
      Last edited by Duncan; 01-08-2014, 07:14 AM.
      Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Duncan View Post

        Of course once there’s a difference and you can see it, its possible to engineer it. Which is what he was doing with those wheels. Using that effect to advantage many times over, much to costly and difficult for Joe soap in his garage I thought and so abandoned working on it … its also not suitable for a DC motor drive … as it speeds up the drive motor is relieved .. so it speeds up more, very quickly your getting machine gunned by magnets. Consider two magnets poles opposing one hanging as a pendulum perhaps on a bit of springy net curtain rail . we are considering perpetual motion here or getting near … and the movement is what ? Chaos its certainly not really usable energy in that state . And so effectively what Hatems done could be regarded as getting the horrible unsolvable chaos fields to the top and bottom of a formula and simply cancelling … Its also What I'm doing here with resonance. (reactive current is also known as magnetic current) and as you have seen transformation occurs at resonance which you may also regard as order formed out of chaos
        here's the Hatem build sheets if PM machines are a delight of yours .. you can keep all my share !
        You miss understand me, I have passed the motor stage as the motor stage is nothing more than proof of concept. Usable energy in my case is electrical output and moving parts are less than ideal. I've been a procrastinator but it has served me well, to date that has saved me a good amount of money while I scower the net finding new things to consider and redesign before I had even bought materials. but now I'm finally about to begin the fabrication of my first prototype. I've designed a new type of coil to be reluctance free for collecting the pulse.

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        • #79
          Hrothgar … That's classic love ya to bits man! I'm so used to having to waste time on these forums contesting nay-says I sort of expect to have to describe a workable concept from step one to every one. I forget of course that there's plenty of guys like yourself .. who have already proved the concept . I just love the Idea that whilst tptb are still adamantly denying COP>1 machines in any shape or form .. folks across the forums are starting to 'specialise' in various types and simply gaining lots of pleasure making them better and faster … Its still Ironic though isn't it ? I get some Iron today !!!
          Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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          • #80
            Yeah I'm hoping to go practical with this

            If because of similarity to existing patents I can't build megs as a product I will build them as a commodity and just sell the power to a power co-op.

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            • #81
              Kits

              You may not be able to build and sell a product because of patents. But you can sell directions on "how to". You can also sell critical parts that folks would not be able to find "off the shelf." Or, put together a small team of folks who each sell "some" of the parts through separate companies where you must combine all of the parts to have a working device.

              Dave
              “Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.”
              —Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist

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              • #82
                nah

                I'll see about build a low upkeep energy farm, then see about patenting the two things I developed personally in it. Studying the difference between a generator and a transformer has inspired me.

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                • #83
                  Thanks for sharing this Duncan.Just on my way to work so I haven`t read the whole thread yet but here`s some info on annealing iron the old fashioned way.

                  Morgan - Wireless Telegraph Construction for Amateurs - 1914

                  It`s in chapter 4 on induction coils.

                  As for a source of iron that is pretty good to begin with,the generic 'tie wire' or 'bailing wire' sold at farmers markets,auto parts stores,ect,is made from soft black iron and is pretty easy to work with.Cheap too.

                  Iron powder (not filings) is available on ebay and can be made into castings with polyester resin (aka fiberglass resin) in any shape you want.Bob Boyce used commercially produced torrids made this way.

                  One thing I would not do is let a blacksmith near my iron though.In it`s semi-molten state it will pick up carbon from the charcoal and smoke,making it basically the opposite of what you`re looking for.Your blacksmith should have known that.Cheers!
                  Last edited by Xenophanes; 01-17-2014, 04:55 PM.

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                  • #84
                    Hrothgar , sounds like you have a plan ! That’s good but you be careful tptb view energy as their personal milch cow , they wont tolerate much interference on any level . I’ve been at this alternative energy malarkey for a lot of years now, I've kissed a lot of frogs and had one or two minor successes . I’ve also met some guys that have got the gold star … Including some on this forum , wow they soon get minced Hrothgar . In fact its usually kith and kin that get minced.
                    Perhaps your right Hrothgar and maybe you can slip under the radar but these horrible bastards keep a very close eye on energy and anything pertaining. Like the Mafia in fact not just like identical to .. they view energy as their patch . Energy farm? I wish you great luck but watch out for a horses head on the pillow. In fact take out some insurance like a detailed PDF in the event of ..
                    but even so they say every man has his price, these guys are very good at finding it ! I have over the years revised my view, These days anyone developing , running , using an exotic (is that the right word ? Any way you know what I mean) machine that's running COP>1 gets my assistance and support .
                    I don't really agree with this Idea that anybody studying FE and expecting any return never mind a living, is a scam artist .. that's no so, If the billions and Billions that are spent out of the public purse on busy pink projects going nowhere were pumped into guys on forums .. like this with an open hand ,IMHO, It would be game set and match in less than a week ,
                    Last edited by Duncan; 01-18-2014, 02:05 PM.
                    Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Xenophanes View Post
                      Thanks for sharing this Duncan.Just on my way to work so I haven`t read the whole thread yet but here`s some info on annealing iron the old fashioned way.

                      Morgan - Wireless Telegraph Construction for Amateurs - 1914

                      It`s in chapter 4 on induction coils.

                      As for a source of iron that is pretty good to begin with,the generic 'tie wire' or 'bailing wire' sold at farmers markets,auto parts stores,ect,is made from soft black iron and is pretty easy to work with.Cheap too.

                      Iron powder (not filings) is available on ebay and can be made into castings with polyester resin (aka fiberglass resin) in any shape you want.Bob Boyce used commercially produced torrids made this way.

                      One thing I would not do is let a blacksmith near my iron though.In it`s semi-molten state it will pick up carbon from the charcoal and smoke,making it basically the opposite of what you`re looking for.Your blacksmith should have known that.Cheers!
                      Thank you for this Xebophanes very Interesting! A century makes one hell of a difference to everything doesn't it? Whatever the Blacksmith has done the outcome seems OK as far as I can tell .
                      I have eight coils to wind as the guy has bent me U shaped bars so I'll wind a'la Ed Leedskalnin's
                      PM holders . I have got two of the coils finished and so have tried one of the four pieces .
                      It simply returns to non magnetic … as should be .. no residual . I just hope the rest are the same ! I don’t know how it will perform at resonance, never mind high frequency .. but I guess that’s what experimenting is about.
                      Last edited by Duncan; 01-18-2014, 02:03 PM.
                      Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                      • #86
                        Walking with Giant's!

                        Joining a lot of Giants together … all because of a silly Christmas card!

                        Well boy's and girls I know a lot of you are having difficulty following my logic and It may seem an awful long way from this TPU of Steve Marks



                        Which is of course the envy and ambition of all in the Free energy world to this half finished abortion sitting on and old chair in a half finished extension. Awaiting more copper wire to be delivered!



                        (looking nice in pink don't you think ?) it may seem a long way, away from the Christmas card ambition of not so very long ago,



                        It doesn't look like a toroid any more does it? Well It may not physically look like a toroid but magnetically I have Still got four separate cores and four separate air gaps. In other words magnetically I have the same circuit . The circuit boards you see are a variable oscillator driving an H bridge which can reverse the polarity applied to the four primary coils which I intend to be the four bottom coils consisting of 2500 turns on each leg. The H bridge in practice can reverse polarity between a few Hz and Severn or eight Khz
                        The top four coils of course will feed the load having reversed one set in order to reverse the lenz effect as I explained in the PDF
                        It will not have escaped your eagle eye that this is very close to Ed Leedskalnin's PM holder
                        x4 and I don't think it is accidental . I actually scaled my number of windings off Ed's numbers in his book in the absence of any other information … Thank's Ed!
                        You can see I hope that cores A,B,C and D remain unchanged, also the principle of operation remains unchanged , But Remember my ambition was always to explain how and why this system works .. and how very easy it will be to build your own . As soon as you grasp what I am doing and why I am doing it .
                        Fate has just handed me a huge bonus card in my struggle to explain what is happening ,another researcher unbeknown to me has utilised the very same principles ! I was alerted to this work by this lone plea on this forum

                        http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...put-build.html

                        whilst I'm not sure what Rufus has in mind the Video had a huge impact on me , I hope it does on you in a very short while! I have made this 'still' to help explain ...



                        This machine by the way, looks as much like my assembly, as my assembly does to Steve Mark's machine. (not much resemblance is there ?) Not to you perhaps but to my eye they are all identical . let me see if I can take your blinkers off!
                        The permanent magnets and the drive motor of this machine have been replaced by electromagnets driven by a variable frequency H bridge in my Christmas card to you guy's.
                        So of course the induced magnetism is much better and It 's relatively easy to find and run at resonance with the Christmas card I have drawn for you . A and B then are doing exactly the same job here as the cores A and B shown on the Christmas card and above as this concept takes shape.
                        Here is 2tuff2 giving a description of his investigation into the work of Angus the wangus

                        "The Angus Effect" - YouTube

                        So guys does that join a few more dots up for you? There's Steve Mark , joined at the hip with Edward Leedskalnin, explained as best as I could on a Christmas card , another incarnation of it translated as best as I can and shown here demonstrated by 2tuff2 from work by Anguswangus

                        MrAnguswangus - YouTube

                        So perhaps the technical description of 2tuff2 isn't quite laboratory standard , never the less the result is exactly as I predicted .. lenz law can be reversed! I hope you can see a little bit more clearly now .. exactly how !
                        Last edited by Duncan; 01-21-2014, 02:19 PM.
                        Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.

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                        • #87
                          Wow! Excellent post.

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                          • #88
                            I'm watching your 'magnets' with interest Duncan.

                            In case this is interesting (if you've got a thick wallet that is) -
                            Prices & Stock

                            Cheers .............. Graham.

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                            • #89
                              my thoughts

                              Duncan I dont think lenz is reversed. Rather the induced magnetism in the u bolts is been radially transferred into the coils. This makes the ubolts magnetic potential if you will, reduce. Its like the magnets aren't as attracted to the ubolt so it takes less energy to spin. Does that make sense?

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Ruphus View Post
                                Duncan I dont think lenz is reversed. Rather the induced magnetism in the u bolts is been radially transferred into the coils. This makes the ubolts magnetic potential if you will, reduce. Its like the magnets aren't as attracted to the ubolt so it takes less energy to spin. Does that make sense?
                                I see the way your trying to view it , and yes its a great temptation to try and make it add up . In fact instinct demands that you do. However if that's magnetically soft Iron bar he's using there. Ergo magnetically neutral with. All other things being equal such as the test loads being about the same, to see the machine speeding up and taking less current whilst supplying more load is not what I would expect to see. I would like to see the test run without the drag of what he calls 'normal coils'
                                there . The set up's obviously far from ideal anyway but still, IMHO something out of the ordinary is going on here. There are great lumps of the Edward Leedskalnin PM holder that totally defy all known physics anyway.
                                For Instance show me the text book which describes how to store electricity in Iron for years?
                                And then there's this

                                Video 1 - YouTube

                                well IMHO there's something going on here that needs a long hard stare.
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