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[Duncan]

erfinder it'll take me a long time to try and work out a way I can possibly explain this decently but It wasn't meant as a slight .. as the electricity you are familiar with is composed of volts and amps so what we are considering here is composed of harmonics and overtones but not as you think of them.
as they occur naturally in nature. in nature an overtone is never ever a harmonic . music as we know it now is not to a natural scale (Newton altered the scale) . read up on crystal oscillators and you'll see overtone and harmonics go on ad-infinitum
like odd and even numbers, I was correcting you now erfinder because when or if I find a way to describe it ... from the other dimension harmonics are what you perceive as EMF and overtones are what you perceive as Back EMF
and if you wish to turn lenz law back on itself its the first thing to try and unravel in your mind. harmonics are not overtones .. at least when counting in science and maths or in the real world. Its why I said Prof what ever his name is who wrote that illiterate bloody thing ..(ampage what the hells that?) hasn't got a clue. why on earth would you want to look just as stupid?
This ..

Persons who count differently are wrong.
In counting − harmonics are not overtones.

from this web page

Overtones harmonics overtone partial partials calculation - frequency fundamental and harmonics odd even - fundamental frequencies flute clarinet organ - converter distortions k even-numbered harmonics odd - sengpielaudio Sengpiel Berlin

so for your understanding try to use proper terms or else you wont form the right picture use English correctly not the American corruptions and slap dash rubbish.

These words originated because they were used. there is wireless and radio
because there were two systems

there is overtones and harmonics because there are two systems

there is volts , PD, EMF, back EMF well why do you think .... best wishes

[boguslaw]

This video again popped up on another forum. I wish I could replicate it with proper measuring of current circulating in both resonant circuits, but you see one of the method of not killing the dipole in primary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY

[Duncan]

This video again popped up on another forum. I wish I could replicate it with proper measuring of current circulating in both resonant circuits, but you see one of the method of not killing the dipole in primary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY

Just so Boguslaw .. IMHO you are thinking in exactly the right area but we are not particularly interested in Parellel resonance .. magnetic flux is proportional to number of turns a and current NI .. power or voltage does not come into the equasion. you require lots of power out for little or nothing in
series resonance then .. minimum impedance = maximum current ...
The same applies to the LA battery . The transformation of wave form is clearly demostrated though ... The big bang . thread depends on that very transformation . in a magnetic core .. or air coil (perhaps) here we consider resonating a lead acid battery directly with the electrostatic component. nice Video though .. It showes the effect

[boguslaw]

dipole = di-pole = two poles = male and female = natural universe law

and electrical dipole continously has voltage= potential difference maintained and voltage is EMF= force and if you don't kill voltage you can do any work you need but we only know the case of using those small magnets called electrons to do work and kill the dipole The tip is in LC circuit of course....

Tesla said many times that he produced continous oscillation in his secondaries but everybody questioned he is doing it under load ! I think Tesla would answer :
" I woudn't do that just for fun of making big sparks, that would be an absurd !"

[Duncan]

Uh....what? Dipole.....what is it really? The term in and of itself has no weight with me, not that that should matter to you. The term is thrown around like the abbreviation "LOL"....everyone "should" know whats implied.

The word "Dipole" is a place holder for something else. "Don't kill the dipole" can be seen as an alternative energy community jingle. Dipole equates to Back EMF (this is supported by their own documents, specifically patents, and statements given in interviews.) Parallel and series resonance allows us to view our circuits from the perspective of the self-induction, the seat of Back EMF. Frequency and capacity are adjusted with respect to circuit self-induction, this was presented to us by none other than Tesla. The fascinating thing is this, if you want to preserve the "dipole" you must do it from the perspective of the dipole, self preservation.

The demonstration provided by armagdn03 in that video is an excellent example of what you get when you use parallel resonance. This video clearly leads one to assume that output exceeds input at resonance, does it?

Those who would have us to believe that there is much more energy surrounding power EMF circuits (dipole pushers) believe wholeheartedly that there's more there, so much so that they were granted a patent for a method which could in theory yield some 10^13 times as much.

It's all about Back EMF. Not to be confused with inductive collapse!


Regards

I'm not confused .. that seems to be your bailiwick and area of excellence .. overtones .. harmonics .. dipoles

Dipole - Amateur-radio-wiki

[barbosi]

Just a joke

Scientists at NASA built a gun specifically to launch standard 4-pound dead chickens at the windshields of airliners, military jets, and the space shuttle, all traveling at maximum velocity. The idea is to simulate the frequent incidents of collisions with airborne fowl to test the strength of the windshields.

British engineers heard about the gun and were eager to test it on the windshields of their new high speed trains. Arrangements were made, and a gun was sent to the British engineers.

When the gun was fired, the engineers stood shocked as the chicken hurled out of the barrel, crashed into the shatterproof shield, smashed it to smithereens, blasted through the control console, snapped the engineer's backrest in two, and embedded itself in the back wall of the cabin, like an arrow shot from a bow.

The horrified Brits sent NASA the disastrous results of the experiment, along with the designs of the windshield and begged the U.S scientists for suggestions.

NASA responded with a one-line memo--"Defrost the chicken."

[Duncan]

dipole = di-pole = two poles = male and female = natural universe law

and electrical dipole continously has voltage= potential difference maintained and voltage is EMF= force and if you don't kill voltage you can do any work you need but we only know the case of using those small magnets called electrons to do work and kill the dipole The tip is in LC circuit of course....

Tesla said many times that he produced continous oscillation in his secondaries but everybody questioned he is doing it under load ! I think Tesla would answer :
" I woudn't do that just for fun of making big sparks, that would be an absurd !"

Boguslaw my friend … do you remember why I opened this thread ? It was specifically to accomplish direct electrostatic conversion .not machines .. not magnetics .. It is to consider what to do to a Lead acid battery in order to keep it fully charged .. it doesn't require any machinery .. It does require that you understand what is happening .. I know what's happening to that battery the odds on me being wrong are astronomical .
So lets dump this magnetic stuff … to put it crudely electrostatics is equivalent to RF engineering.
And magnetic current is equivalent to electrical engineering and that is why I divided the thread
It will be quite difficult to grasp what is required here without a basic understanding of radio theory .
Now Boguslaw if I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am there's going to be huge efforts to drive this thread off the subject, well isn't there?
So what I want to do right now is put the focus right back where I want it .. on the battery .
And not on these 'red herrings' is that OK with everyone ? There is no rotating machinery needed
if you read my opening post you'll see the proposal . Every researcher who ever made anything COP+1 tells you the same thing .. Its resonance … well there are only two of those known to to standard electrical theory … and it's not the one you posted Boguslaw but I'm sure you know that .
Ok back to the battery. Ever tried storing a LA battery on a concrete floor ?
The books tell you not to do it … every simpleton apprentice knows not to do it . Why ? Why ? Why? All numpties seem to think that’s where comprehension stops. Doh .. Its a hard sum I can't do it.
I have taken the liberty of copying this from another forum Boguslaw It is rather the other side of the coin from concrete in that the batteries charging .. confirmation for me if you like as another huge bit slotted neatly into place .
Consider long and hard on what caused this to happen to solid granite .

I remember not so *recently watching a Russian video where the man had some Copper sheets placed between two Lead acid batteries. Like a sandwich !! Somehow when a lamp was placed it got brighter ??
Perhaps it may jog somebodies memory ??

I know full well there are strange thing happening when an LA battery is being charged !! I got a serious ear bashing from my wife, when after a couple of days charging a battery on one of our Granite work surfaces, upon moving the battery the Granite had taken on the shape of the cell structure within !! And despite a whole day of re polishing there is still the faint outline !!

.If you don't really know .. give it your best shot! … don't be afraid to guess and have a stab at it In fact if you dont .. I will not post anymore here.

[erfinder]

Boguslaw my friend … do you remember why I opened this thread ? It was specifically to accomplish direct electrostatic conversion .not machines .. not magnetics .. It is to consider what to do to a Lead acid battery in order to keep it fully charged .. it doesn't require any machinery .. It does require that you understand what is happening .. I know what's happening to that battery the odds on me being wrong are astronomical .
So lets dump this magnetic stuff … to put it crudely electrostatics is equivalent to RF engineering.
And magnetic current is equivalent to electrical engineering and that is why I divided the thread
It will be quite difficult to grasp what is required here without a basic understanding of radio theory .
Now Boguslaw if I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am there's going to be huge efforts to drive this thread off the subject, well isn't there?
So what I want to do right now is put the focus right back where I want it .. on the battery .
And not on these 'red herrings' is that OK with everyone ? There is no rotating machinery needed
if you read my opening post you'll see the proposal . Every researcher who ever made anything COP+1 tells you the same thing .. Its resonance … well there are only two of those known to to standard electrical theory … and it's not the one you posted Boguslaw but I'm sure you know that .
Ok back to the battery. Ever tried storing a LA battery on a concrete floor ?
The books tell you not to do it … every simpleton apprentice knows not to do it . Why ? Why ? Why? All numpties seem to think that’s where comprehension stops. Doh .. Its a hard sum I can't do it.
I have taken the liberty of copying this from another forum Boguslaw It is rather the other side of the coin from concrete in that the batteries charging .. confirmation for me if you like as another huge bit slotted neatly into place .
Consider long and hard on what caused this to happen to solid granite .

I remember not so *recently watching a Russian video where the man had some Copper sheets placed between two Lead acid batteries. Like a sandwich !! Somehow when a lamp was placed it got brighter ??
Perhaps it may jog somebodies memory ??

I know full well there are strange thing happening when an LA battery is being charged !! I got a serious ear bashing from my wife, when after a couple of days charging a battery on one of our Granite work surfaces, upon moving the battery the Granite had taken on the shape of the cell structure within !! And despite a whole day of re polishing there is still the faint outline !!

.If you don't really know .. give it your best shot! … don't be afraid to guess and have a stab at it

Noise removed.....now you can get on with the show....that horse you saddled up has some really really long legs...you be careful up there.


Regards

[ewizard]

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I remember not so *recently watching a Russian video where the man had some Copper sheets placed between two Lead acid batteries. Like a sandwich !! Somehow when a lamp was placed it got brighter ??
Perhaps it may jog somebodies memory ??
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Yeah I remember that video. It was posted by Soundiceuk (sp?). Might be found here: Log in

I can't seem to get that site to load up at the minute but according to Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not? it is up and running okay.

[Duncan]

Well I guess it all pertains e'wiz .. but Its specifically what might be pulling one of the hardest natural substances known, out of shape that I would like you to carry around for a while and let .. cook and stew.

[barbosi]

Boguslaw my friend … do you remember why I opened this thread ? It was specifically to accomplish direct electrostatic conversion .not machines .. not magnetics ..

Oh, I got it....
Here you have the blue prints:



Good luck!

[ren]

Noise removed.....now you can get on with the show....that horse you saddled up has some really really long legs...you be careful up there.


Regards

Lucky I saved the pages before the posts were deleted. Would have lost some exceptional information otherwise

[Duncan]

yeah – I’ve got the plan barbosi that’s why Its my thread , thanks for your wishes of good luck although I doubt very sincere.
Ren you must have hard drive space to waste. I have seen that contraption of erfinders and its cousins invade different threads across this forum and others . Like a raddled old pro forced to ply for trade in the provinces. I have yet to see a schematic of the thing never mind the constructional details I have no Idea of what COP>1 figures are claimed for it . Or even what Its ambition is. It usually arrives uninvited in the middle of a thread to which it has no relation accompanied by the patter ..Ahhh at last I am amongst like minds who can treat my work with the gravitas it so richly deserves . Well of course that doesn't last to long. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you an expert on waveforms and sound mixing who doesn’t know an overtone from a harmonic is going to know the square root of F all about resonant make up never mind conjecture on stochastic resonant composition does it ?
All that aside Its nothing what so ever to do with the thread topic is it ? 'Invaluable information'
what for ? without full disclosure, drawings , plans and schematics its just another load of 'old tat'
If it is as you seem to think 'Invaluable' well erfinder had best open a thread dedicated to the things. quickly for the sake of humanity!
I suggests he starts it with a full and detailed description. Its an open forum for the open discussion and exchange of information concepts Idea's and experiences .
I'm sure the invaluable contraptions will receive all the attention they merit, … Oh be still my beating heart … I eagerly await with baited breath ! In the mean time its just more meaningless flotsam and jetsam I certainly don’t want it on my thread neither do I want folks who are gullible enough to be side tracked by it for more than a post or two .. (which is its usual life span on all the other threads and forums)
If you don't like that well 'sling your hook' goodbye and a safe journey to you.!

[barbosi]

goodbye and a safe journey to you.!

thank you and enjoy your stay!

[Duncan]

This video again popped up on another forum. I wish I could replicate it with proper measuring of current circulating in both resonant circuits, but you see one of the method of not killing the dipole in primary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY

meanwhile back at the ranch let us put Boguslaws video to good use . I want to Introduce the term stochastic resonance. And I'd like us all to have something of the same picture of what that may be.
You notice in the video light A or B is on or off, well that looks very much the case to your eye but that isn't what the mathematics say and that is how I want you to think . Not to believe what you see happening in front of your eyes but rather what the science tells you must be happening.
The light is never actually fully on … neither is it ever fully off . Nor is there such a thing as a perfect sine wave … here of course we skate on the very edge of known mathematics but that’s the only place the answer can possibly be and I have no choice but to take you there.
The parallel resonance you look at it doesn’t have infinite impedance does it ? Extremely high but not Infinite ergo the light can never be 100% lit … 99,99% yes it also agrees with the maths .. there is no such thing as a perfect sine wave which in turn relates to pi being an irregular number.
Conversely then what of the other end of the scale? When lamp A 99.99% lit then lamp B is 99.99% off .. it is resonant but to something you cant measure or see, because 'no electrical energy' is the natural state of our environment. There is a mathematical term for this point of anti resonance its called Stochastic resonance. Its bit of a poser of a word isn't it ? But still we'll hopefully know
what we are referring to. As at resonance there is something approaching a perfect sine wave although you can see nothing … what do you predict the waveform of stochastic resonance to be?