Crème de la crème (perhaps)

[Duncan]

I'm forced to open this thread because enquiring minds quite rightly have enquired about the electrostatic potential of “Christmas card”
doesn't seem like I can hide anything from you boys and girls … read though the proposition .. but there are ( like everyone I'm sure) bits of technology I know nothing about .. I cant write any sort of computer code for instance, I'm on not very firm ground with phase locked loops and feed back control systems . But I do know it can be done and probably on something the size of a matchbox for all I know. Maybe one of these arduino things people seem to be playing might do it all for I know I see here a perhaps 5 KW free standing unit which is solid state can be made for about $40. But like I say I can only point out the how it works … why it works and what has to be done to keep it 'on song' I need serious help with the control loop. the basics you can easily test .. either a lead acid battery will charge with magnetic current ...or it wont.

This really concerns Lead acid batteries or to be more correct every single free energy machine or patent you ever looked at that was connected to a lead acid battery .In other words the answer to hundreds of machines... You see everybody seems to carefully read what Tesla says and then ignore the key points … peculiar . You must consider the whole circuit . No body does. They go off into the garage and bash and bang and make all sorts of contraptions .. I know I've made rather to many myself … they connect it to their battery. Mostly Its a failure of course .. just now and again a glimpse of success perhaps . Little do they stop for one minute to consider the battery might be just might be the miracle machine. And the burst of brilliance was nothing to do with their masterpiece . Well I'm afraid It seems to me that's exactly the case .
Impress into your head that whatever else is being asked of that battery you are asking it to supply a load whilst remaining full charged . It can and it does, but its very rare and you have to do some very special things to make sure it keeps doing it.
The 3BGS did now and again almost by accident ... the machines would go off .... wow did they, This really then is about how and why and can it be controlled. It is not about if it can or cant it read through a few pages of that thread and you'll see it done time and time again . This is rather about how and why I think it worked and what can be done to make it keep working, and as you'll see I don't think its anything to do with motors. (apart from their impulse)
First I would like you to try and grasp that there is a totally different sort of electricity running alongside the electricity you are used to. Your instruments don't see it and for the most part you are unaware of it.
Where's it hiding and how was it hidden ? It was hidden many years ago possibly thousands for all I know one of the main conspirators in the modern age is Einstein . The E =MC2 Chappie , he and a co conspirator Lorentz wrote a piece of fiction that has had the dog chasing its own tail for years . Its called 'the Lorentz force law' so lets have a quick look at what forces are involved in any electricity, first there is this one .. electrostatic force .. (which incidentally is the one your being kept away from)

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It exists alight here's its pedigree all mapped out by coulomb

Electric forces

there is another another force involved in any electricity which you are probably much more familiar with the electromagnetic force

Magnetic forces

Now notice regarding the Lorentz/Einstein force law the two components . Vectored at 90deg to the electromagnetic force is of course the electromagnetic wave much better known to you as the radio wave I'm sure
Its acknowledged and we have lots of maths and theory on the electromagnetic wave

but what of its cousin the electro static component where's all the information maths and theory on its 90deg vectored component? Where is all the maths science and theory on the electrostatic wireless wave … missing .. gone .. omitted .. obfuscated .. why ? Can't you guess ? Suckers .

So here's the plan …. take a lead acid battery , feed a huge load with electromagnetic energy .. the stuff your used to … whilst at the same time recharging the battery with the electrostatic energy (that does not exist) .
Lets start with something controversial . I say .. In theory its quite possible to charge a lead acid battery using no power what so ever whilst breaking none of the known laws of physics. . ( perhaps a smidgen of power .. poetic licence ya know) but you'll get it back in spades.

First Maxwell’s laws as pertaining to a lead acid battery tells you quite clearly that the charge of the battery is simply dependant on amps and hours . You don't buy a 5KW/h battery do you?
Of course not you buy a 100 amp/hr battery … It will deliver 1 amp for 100 hrs or 50 amps for 2 hours and it charges in much the same way.

Now before I can move on I need you to confirm for yourself s either by experiment or by sheer weight of evidence that this statement I make here is correct . If you do the capacitance charging near resonance experiment you'll know it is .. (if don't blow yourself up)
the statement … its a bit scary ,, I thought was a bit of an understatement .... old knackered totally sulphate battery .. straight on the grid ??
The battery requires Amps and Time, you'll find the battery will charge regardless if those amps are part of the “real power component or if those amps are 'Reactive 'so to enlarge I am suggesting to you that if you can hold a lead acid battery in a state of series resonance or near to it ..where the current is at a maximum and the voltage negligible the battery will charge very quickly using minimal in fact virtually no power .. because power =VI cos θ is approaching zero
that is cos θ is approaching zero and θ is approaching 90deg.

Its very difficult to hold because of course the battery conditions change very quickly, with load and charge state,
This is what I did that convinced me .. this passage

When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening. From this web page is quite true .. kind of scary might be an understatement

Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy

a talented youngster holding a battery in resonance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idLeJ...rger/converter

This is Igor running a Royer oscillator which being zero point switching gets closer than most to holding resonance with a feed back to source.

Now as I try and post the links and research work I did earlier on this subject I find them decimated like this

Pulse charging can bring lead-acid batteries from 0 to 80% in 15 minutes and from 0 to .... and increase the Q giving you an unmistakable resonance point.
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I suggest you save this PDF tptb don't like it all !Its one of a few that has been wiped off the net .. I had it copied .. so I put it on a PFD and have hosted it .. if only on the grounds that tptb don’t like it at all I'd be inclined to copy it.

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Bat...se charger.pdf

This Radio Ham has got very close . Had he actually managed to keep the impulse on that battery tracking the series resonant point the game would be all over IMHO in fact he might even be there and doesn't know it. 80% in that time??
The thing is you cannot see the series resonant reaction it would be rather like me wishing to see current . No can do! You can however see and monitor the parallel resonant state of things. In fact here is a pretty poor video of me doing exactly that a year or so ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwMCs1gO2o8]3bs

of course much water under the bridge since then ! Although still essentially correct. I can add considerably to this … first the battery resonant state alters to the x6 F pattern as pointed out by MJN . The battery charges extremely quickly on the impulse wave … in fact as I say on the video I watched the terminal post ice up on one . The battery resonant cascade I have followed up to 3Mhz
which is the limit of my FG. I have little doubt its actually doing what Marcus Ried says here.... except its the 'electrostatic' wave of course !

Marcus Reid Crystal Converter Battery - Casimir Effect - Part 1 - YouTube

so to put this in a nut shell … you can see and monitor a parallel resonant point .. (not a clue how to do that, but I guess its doable) phase locked loop .. scanning whatever , however its actually series resonance that’s required in order to charge the battery with Magnetic current.
So what’s the relationship between parallel resonance and series resonance ? The formulas are the same , but the velocity is different by Pi/2 as explained by EPD here

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so that's in free space Its going to be different in a battery but still a linear relationship .
so here's the challenge to my mind ….constantly inject and scan a a wave so the highest available parallel resonant point is known .
Based on that return result change the wave form to an impulse based on the pi/2 relationship
so Can we fix it ? ... yes we can

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well you all can .... opinions thoughts ?

[Duncan]

Hello,

Taking into consideration that the textbook definition is well established, and is for the most part accurate. Would you be so kind and present your understanding of the fundamental difference between series and parallel resonance, in practical layman terms.

Regards

pp

velocity and shape of the wave form regarding the back emf at series resonance is not defined, It is not that the text book definition isn't 'well established' its only half baked there's huge chunks missing . The velocity and wave form of the back emf at series resonance being one of them.
it beings with an impulse with a velocity of 192000 miles/sec

[barbosi]

I would have done a simple answer as in the textbook.

1. In LC series the voltage source delivers maximum current limited only the ohmic resistance of circuit (if theoretic zero, then current = Infinite).
2. In LC parallel, the voltage source delivers minimum current limited at the ohmic resistance of circuit multiplied by Q (quality factor). Theoretic Infinite if LC internal resistance is zero.

What surprises me is mentioning the speed of light here. I know textbooks state this as current speed (even radio waves), but I always wondered what a resistor does then in a circuit? It "strangles" the wire-pipe and the current flows at the same speed yet?
Even in Optics, they say that the rainbow colours in a prism are due to the change of medium which reflects (f@cking pun - refracts) into a change of speed of light. How Einstein theories would apply in glass then? Anyway, change of light speed lead to the rainbow colours. Cool!!!! Pretty much the same with a resistor in an electric circuit, but that does not apply to electricity. Because electricity is not light. It only conveniently share the same cosmic constant with no relationship whatsoever.

Seriously, that is in the textbooks.

[Duncan]

I would have done a simple answer as in the textbook.

1. In LC series the voltage source delivers maximum current limited only the ohmic resistance of circuit (if theoretic zero, then current = Infinite).
2. In LC parallel, the voltage source delivers minimum current limited at the ohmic resistance of circuit multiplied by Q (quality factor). Theoretic Infinite if LC internal resistance is zero.

What surprises me is mentioning the speed of light here. I know textbooks state this as current speed (even radio waves), but I always wondered what a resistor does then in a circuit? It "strangles" the wire-pipe and the current flows at the same speed yet?
Even in Optics, they say that the rainbow colours in a prism are due to the change of medium which reflects (f@cking pun - refracts) into a change of speed of light. How Einstein theories would apply in glass then? Anyway, change of light speed lead to the rainbow colours. Cool!!!! Pretty much the same with a resistor in an electric circuit, but that does not apply to electricity. Because electricity is not light. It only conveniently share the same cosmic constant with no relationship whatsoever.

Seriously, that is in the textbooks.

yeah well you have answered erfinders question a different way ... big lump missing it is only whats missing I'm interested in .. sorting the wheat from the chaff I really dont need classic dogma I assume all know that.

[boguslaw]

erfinder

Hmm...Do you see any difference between parallel and series LC circuit ? I see no one...

[barbosi]

erfinder

Hmm...Do you see any difference between parallel and series LC circuit ? I see no one...

Series:


Parallel:


Do you see any difference?
Now that you see, how would you apply this?

[boguslaw]

Again, I repeat , where is the difference ? Do you have problem with that ? Take a capacitor charged and connect it to the coil, wht kind of resonance is that ?
Simple things are most hard to see..

[boguslaw]

I'm explaining where is the problem...or you can use those fancy good described series or parallel methods to ...kill the dipole...

[barbosi]

Depending in what are you looking to obtain from an electric circuit, you can have an increase of potential, or an increase in current. Each kind of resonance does that.

LC Series has a minimum impedance at resonance frequency (theoretical ideal is zero) which leads to a maximum current flow when connected to a signal source. This is the approach taken by Luc at the begining of his presentation "Reactive Generator Research for everyone to share". He connected a capacitor in series with the MOT and both were fed by the AC source. At resonance (50/60Hz) the current flowing through the series LC was maximum.

LC Parallel instead, has a maximum impedance at resonance frequency (theoretical ideal is infinite) which leads to maximizing the voltage. This was demonstrated by the user "armag3don" few years ago on youtube, you may still find it. What was impressive is that with apparent no current flow from the AC source, there was enough power to turn on a small light bulb.

BTW, your approach of charging the capacitor and discharging it into a coil is obviously parallel connection and the frequency in that circuit is given by the values of your components. Since the oscillation is losing energy in time, it is the less efficient way of spending that energy.

Now, the way I see it is like having a pendulum and observing the top position and the lower position in full swing. At top position there is the maximum potential energy which I compare with the parallel LC situation. At the bottom, there is the maximum speed (kinetic energy) which I compare with the series LC situation. Since most of us understand how one can maintain a swing in motion and what is the necessary input to do that, there is a logic step to try and mimic that with LC circuits.
So from potential energy => Kinetic => potential etc, we may try series LC => Parallel => Series, etc.

The process of doing that is in many people's mind so there is no direct schematic that I can recomend. But that is the jurney with the beauty of it.

If I did not lose you so far, I have to ask you a favor. Please explain the concept of "don't kill the dipole" without using quotes from dr. Bearden. Many are affraid to admit they don't understand words he is using, but not me. And that concept as silly it sounds to me, it induces an unnecessary sentiment of guilt. "Man... I killed the dipole, what people were going to say? What about Mr. Bearden? I'm a failure!!!" And if you feel you cannot explain Bearden's words say it so the same as with LC resonance circuits, there is no shame, and don't use them anymore. And if you can explain (as I hope I could explain to you) then please go on so I may apply the concept.

Regards

[barbosi]

LOL, this IS the crème de la crème, erfinder!

Just a small addition to my explanation, in my analogy between LC resonant circuits and the pendulum, one can see why small impulses are necessary to maintain the oscillation.
A smaller reccuring impulse will lead to energy loss.
A bigger recuring pulse will lead to that kind of "resonance" which destroys bridges.

It's a challenge to have the right push.

Regards.

[ewizard]

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Its been stated that GE allowed Steinmetz to synthesize energy from the square-root of negative 1. What would be an example of this? His written work as far as I have been able to tell so far sheds no light on this matter, this might have a lot to do with the fact that I have no idea how to approach the math of his work...... We do know that his work dealt among other things with Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations

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I'm not too clear on most of your post but I really don't understand that statement about Steinmetz synthesizing energy from the square root of negative 1. You cannot take the square root of negative 1. At least not in any traditional math. Does not compute

[Duncan]

erfinder I perhaps have a different perception of things .for instance I cant quite grasp what boguslaws asking regarding series or parallel as I simply view that as with relation ship to the source and the load. In other words if I am going to use a text book definition then I also must use the text book connections,
I can also sense the reason behind Boguslaws question and it really could be phrased as . What is the effect of putting an interrupter in the circuit such as a spark gap or a vibrator. Of course that makes a huge difference because at resonance it exposes the corruption of the Lorentz force law.
Our view of electrical theory is very different erfinder not that yours is wrong just as I say unfinished. Missing from the Lorentz force law is the B field of the electrostatic component.
It simply isn't there, when you assume it is there … that is basically put the Aether back in place then Tesla's wireless becomes feasible . And there is no doubt of that is there ? I have seen an Alexanderson system working. Once the Aetheric aspect is accepted then a direct parallel can be drawn from radio to wireless to transverse electricity to longitudinal electricity. electrostatic to electromagnetic – obviously if ones a certainty then the other must be.
sure the waveforms are entirely different . So are the velocities the science the maths and everything else. Can I explain all that in layman terms in a few lines ? I only just grasp it myself and there's obviously as much theory and science to be written on electricity moving in a longitudinal fashion as we have already with our present system, and a great deal more I suspect. If on the other hand your asking me to relate to known theory on a thread a/ That's beyond my skills and b/ Its not the topic
I suggest a good start is to refrain from calling overtones harmonics . Even though I used to do it myself,. As I say erfinder there's lots of eye watering texts on the theories referenced by EPD I suspect most Professors would run a mile from. but if your determined that's the place.
This thread is about considering how to sample and reference the resonant cascade of a Lead acid battery mathematically operate on that result and then inject an impulse adjusted by a factor of the velocity difference that is pi/2 . It is not a thread to endlessly discuss the theories of longitudinal electricity … go elsewhere for that here's a thread dedicated to it .. Its an endless subject in itself

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post57142

as regards this thread I'm interested only in one effect that's observed and then trying to apply it directly to a lead acid battery in a controlled fashion . In the simplest of terms I seek to do this at a molecular level with any sulphation that might try to form.

Three-Dimensional Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation [Acoustic Levitation] (2013,2014-) - YouTube

you see how bloody entrenched the transverse wave is ? How does a loud speaker work ? 'Back and forth' and an ear drum ? Ergo sound is an impulse wave . What do they draw ? A sine wave .
We are in crude terms looking to inject just the right impulse frequency at very low power to do this to any sulphate that dare try to form

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and when I said there was a resonant cascade up through the Lead acid battery Its probably best demonstrated by this … different resonant points to the impulse wave

Amazing Resonance Experiment! - YouTube

the trouble is conditions change , load changes, the state of charge of the battery changes , to put it crudely its like trying to hold one of the linear resonant frequencies in the above video whilst the size of the plate is being altered. That it does happen to a LA battery is beyond doubt IMHO I have seen it myself. Its a constant occurrence on David’s 3BGS thread, and viewed in this way every contraption connected to a lead acid battery must be doing something very special to the battery itself. well that's ultimately the case isn't it? On one thread I am pursuing the electrical and magnetic implications , here the consideration of direct electrostatic transformation inside the battery itself.

[barbosi]

It is funny how many people discuss diligently using terms as “versor” “torsion fields” and have no clue that math associated with AC consists of real and imaginary terms. The imaginary part is called that way because it uses i=square root of -1. Maybe the confusion is from later replacement of “i” with “j” but still is the square root of -1. So like it or not, we use AC power, partly coming from a imaginary plane, or rather space.
Because there is no time for such complex topic, here you have a link to introduce yourself or refresh your memory whichever might be the case:
Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume II (AC) - Chapter 2

This is what Eric Dollard is explaining for a while now in his threads.

So there you know the truth, there is no Santa, never was, is all imaginary.

[Duncan]

I'm not too clear on most of your post but I really don't understand that statement about Steinmetz synthesizing energy from the square root of negative 1. You cannot take the square root of negative 1. At least not in any traditional math. Does not compute

Ewiz I'm afraid its an odd situation that comes about by practical hands on experience that will not resolve in mathematics using the dimensions you have available.
To take that a little further regard the electromagnetic wave in relation to electricity the transformation takes place at parallel resonance and the vector is a j operator . So the voltage and current are at 90 deg in one dimension whilst the electromagnetic wave is at 90 deg to both of them.
Now regard the electrostatic component of the Lorentz force law, the B field is simply not there.
EPD knows it must be there so do I because Tesla's wireless systems worked. The only way he can now possibly describe this wave at 180 deg to the electromagnetic wave he has done … horrible confusing maths but you see what he's at? He's simply run out of dimensions. added to that of course the electromagnetic wave itself is considered to be made up of two components ... so on ad-infinitum for all I know
By extension of that engineering backwards to the electrical effects we ponder here how to a/ monitor one of the resonant
points of a LA battery and b/ mathematically operate on the result and inject the correct impulse frequency. That is all .. not sure what to do after lunch though

[barbosi]

Three-Dimensional Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation [Acoustic Levitation] (2013,2014-) - YouTube

you see how bloody entrenched the transverse wave is ? How does a loud speaker work ? 'Back and forth' and an ear drum ? Ergo sound is an impulse wave . What do they draw ? A sine wave .

We are in crude terms looking to a complex sound waves forming a stationary wave with a wave lenght comparable to radio wave (milimeters)?

Loved the clip, thank you.