While contemplating on what really goes on inside a battery during charging,Im reminded of a time in the early 80s.A friend and I were in the woods cutting wood,middle of winter, cold but sunny, Appox 20 degree range. We decided to take a break and upon returning to the truck to get warm we discovered the battery was flat. The reason was the lights were left on ,as it was cloudy when we first arrived ,and early morning. The only response was a faint click of the solenoid. A couple miles from help,and cell phones were non existant then. Now my friend being much older and wiser than I, removed the battery and placed it on the ground ,in direct sun light, while we returned to work. After about 45 min to an hour, we placed the battery back in the truck and to my amasement the engine whirled and started just fine. We loaded up, and headed for warmer places. My friend never really knew how it worked, he just knew that it would work. Could it be UV rays penetrating the case, or even heat ? If heat, then what is going on inside the battery? How do they REALLY charge and discharge? I cant see in my mind how the charging process and the direction of diodes works. Anyone care to explain? THANKS
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Hello,
Just a guess but if you wait, a "newly" dead battery will regain some of it's charge. Enough some times for the car to start.
If this wasn't the case here, my other guess would be that the radiant energy from the sun charged the battery. It's not the UV, since UV can't penetrate the battery case. But energy from the sun that is hard to directly measure but it's effects can be seen.
The same thing happens to capacitors, they will develop/accumulate charge over time. May sound strange but these effects seem to be related to gravity waves. A guy build a gravity detector using a capacitor as the sensor... he just measured the change in charge of the capacitor over time. A battery in some aspects is similar to a battery in that it has plates. See below:
Gregory Hodowanec: Rhysmonic Cosmology (Monograph)
Simplest elecronic gravitational "wave" signal detector that uses a capacitor as the sensor.
The capacitor can be totally enclosed in a metal case and totally shielded but it will still charge up! So basically, not even a Faraday cage can stop this energy, it is not "electromagnetic" energy.Last edited by SilverToGold; 01-10-2014, 04:22 PM.
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Hi folks.
I guess, this is simply typo error:
Originally posted by SilverToGold View PostA battery in some aspects is similar to a battery in that it has plates.
A capacitor in some aspects is similar to a battery in that it has plates.
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Hi,
No typo.
They are SIMILAR in SOME aspects. That is NOT to say that they are the same or equivalent.
The metal plates are what collects the "radiant" energy. That is why I pointed out their SIMILARITY.
i.e.
And yes, a capacitor is in SOME aspects SIMILAR to a battery in that they have metal plates. And that is all I was drawing the analogy to.
Thanks for helping me to clarify.
Originally posted by Peculian View PostHi folks.
I guess, this is simply typo error:
If so, then it might be like this:
A capacitor in some aspects is similar to a battery in that it has plates.
cheers
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check this out :
Cosmic wave? Muon shower? Solar wind? Strange signals detected on a solar cell - YouTube
he also has a recent vid“Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.
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Fairly simple answer
The answer to the battery recovery is really pretty simple. As SilverToGold has already pointed out a battery will recover to some degree if allowed to rest a while. The other part of the answer is that a cold battery has much less ability to deliver power than a warm battery. Sitting the battery in the sunlight allowed the sun to warm the battery which probably helped as much or more as the recovery time did. I am not saying some of the other ideas are wrong I am just saying based on many years of experience with using batteries that I think these two things were the most likely cause of the battery working again.
Respectfully, CarrollJust because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.
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Originally posted by SilverToGold View PostHi,
No typo.
They are SIMILAR in SOME aspects. That is NOT to say that they are the same or equivalent.
The metal plates are what collects the "radiant" energy. That is why I pointed out their SIMILARITY.
i.e.
And yes, a capacitor is in SOME aspects SIMILAR to a battery in that they have metal plates. And that is all I was drawing the analogy to.
Thanks for helping me to clarify.
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Good point, I remember a long white ago when I was a kid - a friend of mine would throw old used up alkaline batteries into an oven and warm them up. He told me that it recharged the batteries. So I guess it did - though not exactly an efficient means to do so.
Originally posted by citfta View PostThe answer to the battery recovery is really pretty simple. As SilverToGold has already pointed out a battery will recover to some degree if allowed to rest a while. The other part of the answer is that a cold battery has much less ability to deliver power than a warm battery. Sitting the battery in the sunlight allowed the sun to warm the battery which probably helped as much or more as the recovery time did. I am not saying some of the other ideas are wrong I am just saying based on many years of experience with using batteries that I think these two things were the most likely cause of the battery working again.
Respectfully, Carroll
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