Self-induction

[BroMikey]

Increasing power

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...20charging.wmv

I watched the video and saw the meter climb. I also looked at the Patent. Looks like a motor with both AC and DC operations. The AC winding appears to be twice as long as the DC winding. Then it shows an AC sine wave with a sawtooth pulsed DC riding piggy back.

Mike

[tachyoncatcher]

Topsy Turvy

Hello rosehillworks,

The following suggestions are my thoughts, my opinions, regarding things that I want to see and experience in the things that I build. I don't care if I'm in left field, I write my own dogma, and rewrite the existing dogma as I see fit. Don't make my dogma your dogma, blaze your own trail.

• I'm suggesting that we aren't justified in calling the forced oscillation at a frequency we determine resonance.
• I'm suggesting that we pay closer attention to the coils inherent capacitance, elevate it from the position of parasitic to a more respectable position, a position equal to the inductance of the coil.
• I'm suggesting we establish those conditions which enable us to produce changes in capacitance in a manner similar to those changes we experience in inductance.
• I'm suggesting that the inductance of the coil is constantly changing.
• I'm suggesting that the capacitance of the coil is constantly changing, albeit there is no immediate proof of this owing to how we view the coils capacitance.
• I'm suggesting that the capacitive and inductive reactance of the coil are constantly changing.
• I'm suggesting that there is something behind the commotion, the fulcrum.
• I'm suggesting that L and C are the tools used by this behind the scenes operator.
• I'm suggesting that L and C aren't things in and of themselves, they aren't individuals, they are one thing divided, two arms or levers extended from a common fulcrum.
• I'm suggesting that this behind the scenes operator hides itself in plain sight, masquerading as either the result of change in current, or as the cause of current flow. The name it goes by is deceiving, and yet when accepted for what it is can be understood to be the driving force behind all that moves.

In the end I am suggesting one thing, for you to reconsider all that you think you know, all that you think you understand, and make up your own mind. Right or wrong is immaterial, what matters in the end is what you can demonstrate for your own peace of mind.


Regards

err,

While we're suggesting, how about this. What if we had it backwards?

• What if a battery didn't create a dipole potential, but a simple leak.
• What if a capacitor was a backwards balloon?
• What if a wire was an attractor, not a pipe?
• What if the main operator was everywhere?
• What if this thing we call electricity was a small piece of natural balance?
• What if we are sea creatures who are not aware of the ocean around us?

Oh, we know it's there, but in our minds it is of little consequence. The real power is in the wire with little electrons flowing through it.
Yeah, I know, very unscientific. But hey! So are our results. I love this adventurous thread.
Cheers,
Randy

[erfinder]

I watched the video and saw the meter climb. I also looked at the Patent. Looks like a motor with both AC and DC operations. The AC winding appears to be twice as long as the DC winding. Then it shows an AC sine wave with a sawtooth pulsed DC riding piggy back.

Mike

Yep

Regards

[boguslaw]

Bingo! Congratulation! Because I don't follow this thread and the actual schematic (but I feel it is very close to what I imagine) , that,s all I can say. Now what is needed is to keep it that way above the power source voltage AFAIK It was first implemented and published on open forums about Adams motor, but surely a lot of patents are related too.
Peter Lindemann also posted the picture about that concept.

[BroMikey]

Piggy Back AC & DC

Regarding the video, one point was to demonstrate that there might be something to that patent. Not so much in how its presented, what was presented.

A second point would require numbers, and with that here are a few.

The circuit has a capacitor that sits between the motor and the power supply. Two diodes stops anything from leaving the motor and returning back into the supply. The capacitor is rated at 400v 4700uF. The supply charges that capcitor up to 141VDC, as can be seen in the video, the capacitor charges to 249VDC. Doesn't take a math wiz to see that the capacitor is charged to a higher voltage than the source. The source is pegged out at 141v.

Nice little calculator

http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/cal...calculator.php

141V 4700uF = 46.72 Joules
249V 4700uF = 145.702 Joules

Difference of - 98.982 Joules

Considering that the cap was charged to this voltage "after" the circuit was switched off......which means the supply isn't delivering any energy to the circuit......where did this 98.982 Joules come from.

For the sake of example we will say that the 98.982 Joules represents a charged capacitor of the same capacity as mentioned (4700uF) above charged to 205V. Where did this energy come from? Could this effect be what the patent is suggesting....? Remember I am not asking for an answer, I have my own dogma, I'm just throwing a question out there.


Regards

Hello ERFINDER

My name is Mike Rowland I live in central Kansas as an introduction to you. I have been studying Tesla and many Patents since the 1960's and so let me say this.

Most of the devices discussed about invention center around caps charging to critical break down and tanks with coils or coils of some kind to get spikes.

Some how I don't remember this modulated wave form, however you have made the notation and it is very important that those reviewing these material know that the AC sine wave has a saw tooth pulsed DC following it's path.

Everyone knows what the path of an AC sine wave looks like.

The mechanical aspects of the motor arrangement are such that no advanced digital synchronizing circuitry are needed. This means that using simple mechanics these two forms of energy can travel together and can be built quite probably out of existing motor parts.

What you have observed is the spike back pulses charging up the cap to a higher voltage than the supply can produce. On the skeptical side (If I may) inventors have noted this same observation in their experiments asserting that extra energy must be coming from the Vacuum yet never able to use that stored energy to even break even.

The way my mind works on this subject is like this.

Since meter have been known to show energy that can not be put to work the invention or energy found in a circuit must be put to some use to test for the possibility of excess.

For instance a dyno or some loading devices with some way to measure work. I am sure that you are aware of all of these things.

It should not require much say even a small set of LED lights to drain the energy off and a measurement of motoring energy.

I know caps don't lie so if you have a cap with a higher voltage than the supply, you have the power. The question is where did it come from, Did the pulsating coil convert the amps to a higher voltage? In which case there will be not extra.

If it is reactive power or real?

These are my thoughts and thanks for sharing your experiments. It looks like you have something there.

Michael Rowland (Central Kansas)

[erfinder]

Hello ERFINDER

My name is Mike Rowland I live in central Kansas as an introduction to you. I have been studying Tesla and many Patents since the 1960's and so let me say this.

Most of the devices discussed about invention center around caps charging to critical break down and tanks with coils or coils of some kind to get spikes.

Hello Mike,

Yes, most of the literature both old and new shows devices which are built around the idea of charging caps up to and beyond critical points where they break down and do funny things. In addition to this we have been instructed by a very interesting character how to use inductors to generate currents of high electromotive force for charging caps the very same caps that we want to charge up to and beyond these critical points. It's been suggested by that same character that under the right conditions, coils can behave as if they are capacitors, he was even so bold as to patent one of these cap-coil ideas.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Regards

[barbosi]

Look at the formula for calculating Farad's, and the formula for calculating Henry's, become as shocked as I was to find that they are pretty much the same formula, which means to one who thinks what he/she wants, that they are interchangeable. Big coil means you have big capacity. We watch the inductance of our system change hundred of henrys per second, and give no real thought to it nor how it "could" relate to capacitance. Tesla did...patented a coil....that's like one of us printing a T-shirt with a smiley on it.

Wow! Although I got this message several times already, it was just my ignorance stopping me to look up wikipedia and ACTUALLY see it. As always, it was the real work I didn't do to realise this little "detail". For anyone who'd care, I attached a picture.
However, on wikipedia's formulas there are many other representations which I omitted, some which include the mass - magnets being characterised sometimes in strenght by the pull mass.

The rest of the quote comes as a natural consequence.

Thank you. I am the smiley.

[erfinder]

Arron or any moderator.

Please lock this thread, I'm done here.

Regards

[Turion]

Not sure exactly why you have thrown in the towel, but in the words of Captain Jason Nesmith…."Never Give Up, Never Surrender" Lots of folks like me are probably following this without actively contributing. We're always watching/

Dave

[Armagdn03]

Hello

Erfinder, If I may go to bat.

I am not going to qualify myself or introduce what I do or do not know, simply give a bit of observation. Take it or leave it.

Inductive and capacities qualities are results of a physical structure interacting with its environment. There is an irrefutable link. Capacity tends towards linear or radial, while inductive tends towards spherical or circulatory.

When an energy passes through a space, it inherently affects the space it travels through. Examples may be electro or magnetostriction. This in turn creates a variance in the relative permeabilities and permittivities of that space.
associated with this will be the qualities of this system, such as optical density (affecting speed of propagation relative to an outside frame of reference), impedance, etc....Cool, but so what?

Well this is a two way street. changing the space changes how energy relates to the space. Propagation of energy through a space changes the space. dyadic relationship at its best.

With this in mind think about the following. Orthogonal propagation of energys interacting supposedly causes no interaction. However both interact with the space they are in. You may wind a transformer so that the windings have no mutual induction, however they very much do affect the qualities of the core, and so DO affect one another, mainly through the permeability of the core they share. I believe this to be an excellent example.

This also goes to the heart of your previous statements about changing the "parasitic capacitance" of the coils, and even the inductance, as they are products or features of their interaction with their locality.

@ Mr Rowland,
We are all QUITE aware of power factor, and related phenomenon. What we are exploring is beyond this simplistic and singular observation applied to a specific set of boundaries. How can two waves of equal frequency give birth to multiple frequencies? This can be done with the aforementioned transformer analogy. What happens when you have a second order circuit? For example, applying an EMF to a primary, causes an EMF in the secondary, when tapped the BEMF created is reflected reducing the impedance of the primary, increasing current draw. This we know. We induce, it hits a wall, is reflected and negates the initial. But does it have to reflect back? What if one were to allow it to continue its propagation in a circulatory fashion? We have our primary circuits, the electric winding, the magnetic core, the secondary winding etc. Together they create a path for progression which we treat as linear (not in how it responds but literally it goes in a line) This structure can be set up in such a way as to have primary electrical and magnetic circuits, arranged into a secondary circular arrangement, or second order circuit. Now wavelength becomes interesting as we observe how it interacts within this structure, and to impedance's within (similar to Bernoulli principle). Harmonic relations to the structure to which they are "contained". Now the observations become interesting. Think ring circuits. Think quarter wave interference (causing destructive interference in one direction of circulation, while creating constructive in the opposite direction of circulation, optical "trick"). Think unidirectional propagation through a circulatory transmission line of interacting and related frequencies. Now the fun begins.

[machinealive]

Er, what's up man? What happened? You have have a great idea and thread started here, why stop? Well it's your call, but it would be a shame if you stopped now, I hope you would reconsider. .

Regards friend
Machine

[BroMikey]

post rejection

[Armagdn03]

@Armagdn03

Thanks for your explanation. I see that we are going beyond the normally excepted classroom models. The only way we can find out it we have something other than the normal model is to know THAT model and compare it to what we think we might have that is over and above THAT norm.

In fact use it as a way to measure results.

I have worked extensively for years with large induction motors that were three phase running them on single phase and also caps for starting under great loads.

I have been surprised many many times from the results and have learned that every single motor I ever did any power conditioning on on the same size and company name was almost another completely different animal than the next.

Phasing manipulations are an adventure of mine. I have blown power transformers (10K) off the pole. only to have a 20k put in it's place. I think because it could not with stand the back lash.

Got to get to work. Thanks for your entry.

Mike

Hello Mike,

I agree with what you have said, however nothing I have said is actually in violation of "classroom models" This is all perfectly accepted, and researched, however application may very well be lacking. In the old days of saturable reactors, radio engineers used to create frequency multipliers by using non mutually coupled inductors with the express intent of creating a secondary or tertiary harmonic. The concept is to use a single winding to affect the properties of the non linear core at two times the applied frequency thereby changing the inductance of the second winding at a doubled frequency, though the input frequency was the same. In another world they used ring circuits in the military to test microwave circuitry and components under megawatt loading conditions. This was done through massive quarter wave couplers tied into a ring topology as described above. This is where optics meets analogue electrical.

[BroMikey]

Non Violation

Thanks for keeping the door open. I do not completely understand the whole picture yet but I will keep getting closer.

Mike

[barbosi]

Today was a rather sad day.
But I have to show what history prepared all the time to "conformity" (read reliance on and compliance to books' dogma):



And now i know tomorrow is a happy day, because i just know there is hope.