HHO Gas Injected Into A Catalytic Converter Yields Extreme Heat! LENR? We Don't Know

[steelrat]

Thanks!

Excellent links Chet, thank you

[sprocket]

@RAMSET: With respect, what has atomic hydrogen got to do with the catalytic converter process being discussed in this thread? Agreed, atomic hydrogen seems very promising, but it is nowhere near as 'accessible' to general construction as catalytic converter heaters are. Catalytic converters are a dime a dozen, whereas atomic hydrogen setups are specialised kits with very few manufacturers even making the stuff - which itself is suspicious given the supposed advantages of the stuff.

It's also 'old news' - really old when you consider that Langmuir discovered this about 100 years ago (then buried the info) - with many threads already dedicated to it.

I do agree with you regarding the current 'state of the art' in heaters though - I distill all my drinking water which isn't cheap to do, which really pisses me off. A nice efficient way of boiling water would be a real boon.

[RAMSET]

Sprocket
Sorry for the off topic posts

have a good day
Chet
PS
For Clarity
the 100 year "whats New" info
twas tongue in Cheek
PPS
For additional Clarity
Atomic hydrogen is far cheaper to experiment with
than Catalytic converters

[BroMikey]

Scientic Method

Hi all.
Did not have much time today but I did make a quick test.



video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uiRnHnbVM

I use an aquarium pump with 6 outputs. I use only one output for now. The pump power can be adjusted in the range of about 20-100%. The hho output can be adjusted as well. The video clearly shows that the heating effect can be maintained with a correct mixture of gasses, but if the heat increases past a certain pint - auto ignition occurs. Fortunately the air content is high enough for no serious flash back to the bubbler to occur. With pure hho I also get the "sun" but there is a serious risk of melting the comb if I let the hho on one spot too long.
Thanks,
Jetijs

Hello Jetijs

Has anyone every used any scientific comparison tests where a 75 watt light bulb is set into a platinum CAT to see if the same amout of heat build up in fact does occur?

I see people just make statements that their process is overunity with no simple comparison tests.

Just say it is and everyone just jumps on board.

An easy bake over gets to 400 degrees F using a 75 watt light bulb and can cook bread.

Thank you for your testing.

I am not saying that free heat could exist, just that a simple wattage comparison using resistive heat maybe even with moist air would yield even better.


I don't know because no on I have found is using this type of scientific reasoning.

Just say it and thats it, it must be overunity, right?

Mike

[RAMSET]

Bro Mikey
Quote
I don't know because no on I have found is using this type of scientific reasoning.

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Sir perhaps a quick read of the thread would be good ??
there were perhaps 10 or more requests for your "scientific " EZ Bake oven test,

I personally explained your "Scientific"EZ Bake oven test in great detail on the phone to the threads author Justin almost two months ago.

Only its a little Simpler test than you described , its called a fixed loss to ambient test.

To my knowledge no one here is claiming anything OU whatsoever ??
No where near OU actually.

However there have been Catalytic transmutation events which have been referenced in this thread .

We are apparently following a strict protocol here with Catalyst
driven events only to be discussed.

Or I would mention this room temperature Cop over 400 LENR event

Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. Claims Breakthrough Hydrogen Production System (COP 400 Claimed) - External News - LENR Forum

Oh ,Rats I just did
sorry

thx
Chet
PS
This one throws everything we thought we knew out the window!
And whatever you do don't disscuss it here!!

its over here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post252165
and elsewhere.......................................

[steelrat]

...- I distill all my drinking water which isn't cheap to do, which really pisses me off. A nice efficient way of boiling water would be a real boon.

I hope you have another means of intaking the nutrients you lose by drinking distilled water, it is medically inadvisable to drink distilled water for a long period of time or while fasting.


steely

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Secondary HHO Gas

Moray B King : One Million Cavitating Water Electrolysis

Moray B King : One Million Cavitating Water Electrolyzers - YouTube

Shows how a secondary HHO gas is created is by cavitation.

This secondary HHO gas is a basically HOHOHOHOHOHOHO chains that form toroids.

Essentially, how to produce more bang for your buck.

When combined with the H-Cat, we have something awesome.

Regards,

VIDBID

[vidbid]

Secondary HHO gas

Experiment Proposal:

I propose producing secondary HHO gas (aka Charged Water Gas Clusters) with a ultrasonic water fogger and feeding the gas into a H-cat to see what happens.

See Moray B King : One Million Cavitating Water Electrolyzers - YouTube at 1 Hour, 5 Minutes & 30 Seconds.

The following quote is by The Power To Be:

This is a full disclosure of the facts that will enable humanity to attain a sustainable civilization without the need for oil. Full non proprietory disclosure into the Public Domain by me, the origin inventor. The Power To Be.

PIEZOELECTRIC PRODUCTION OF ATOMIZE WATER WITH HHO FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE, COMBUSTIBLE WATER FUEL.


This system uses plain tap water with no electrolyte, all parts are off the shelf components.

The best solution to producing Water Fuel for Internel combustion Engine is to atomize water as being done in atomize water injection. You can buy an pond fogger that has piezo ceramic transducers. These piezoelectric transducers will atomize large volume of water with economical energy expense. make sure it's a piezoelectric machine that uses piezo transducers. what you need is fine atomize water fog and ultrasonic waves, in addition, piezoelectric crystals is employed to harvest surplus waves to make HHO, these ultrasonic waves would have otherwise been wasted as heat.

The result is a rich combustible atomize water gaseous mixture with HHO produced.

Make some zinc oxide crystals and and put it in wettable envelope. It will harvest surplus ultrasonic waves from the transducer and liberate water into HHO with piezoelectrochemical effect.

Zinc oxide crystals are synthetic and made from oxidize zinc . It is tetrahedral structures and have polar Zn-O bonds whis is ionic and highly piezoelectric. You need a durable envelope that will withstand the vibration, tyvek envelope might work, has to be wettable by water. The envelope is to contain the crystals from being splattered by the splashing water caused by the transducer. The crystals are very fine particles, nano meter sizes.

I have been trying to come up with a simple low temperature method to growing micro size single crystals at low temperature that is simple enough for anyone to perform. The mainstream ZnO single cystals are fused at high temperature and vapor deposited requiring complicated setup and technical expertise.

Ref:
How to make ZnO crystals.
more information on growing crystals to commercial standards, see this paper
nathan.instras.com/documentDB/paper-243.pdf

Piezoelectric HHO production.
Zinc Oxide Crystal Acting as Piezoelectric Material To Get Hydrogen From Water - The Green Optimistic


This is a simplified version for home use.
Please use all precaution, I am not responsible for anything that may occur.

Materials:
1lb. Zinc powder nano.
1 gallon ammonia cleaning (ammonium hydroxide)

Tools:
Hot plate with Magnetic Stirrer
teflon coated stir bar.
1 liter boiling flask with rubber stopper.
reflux condenser if available.
water bath.
thermometer


Dissolve 30 grams of ZnO in each 300 ml of 30% ammonium chloride/ hydroxide. This is best done by filling 300 ml of 30% amonnium hydroxide into the flask and place on stirrer with teflon bar. Turn on the heat to medium, Turn on Stirrer to low speed, #3. Slowly add zinc oxide to solution. When all ZnO is dispensed, cap flask and turn up stirrer to maximum, bring the heat up to 60 deg C and let it mix for 30 minutes.



Place flask in the Freezer and freeze solution to -0 degrees C.
When you reach this temperature, allow an additional 1 hr.

Before reflux, bath flask in a bowl of room temperature water for 5 minutes to avoid thermal shock and breakage of flask.

Set up water bath, large boiling glass bowl with water. Put your flask of cold solution in the water bath and set up reflux condenser with water tube, if you don't have one then just cap your flask tightly and turn on heat. Allow solution to heat up to 60 degrees C, maintain 60 deg C temperature for 2 hours, crystals will grow during this time.

Let solution cool to room temperature, Filter solution and recover crystals.

the crystals are self seeding. these crystals are not the typical large crystals that most people grow at home. the single crystals are very small, nano size, at this size, they are able to pick up all induced waves and convert waves into electrolysis of water.

When water is atomized with pond fogger, it is easily dissociated into HHO by the crystals. The gas mixture is rich in HHO, I don't know the H content but it is highly combustible. I got the idea after watching Dingles youtube video. You can clearly see the fog rising so I made the same unit in an old battery case and it works. The zinc crystals vibrates upon ultrasonic vibration generating it's own electricity and aiding in splitting of water into hydrogen and oxygen. This makes the gas mixture richly combustible and the atomize water will keep your generator running cooler with greater power generation. This can also be ported for motive use.


Obtain a small generator to learn on, you can get a 6 kw/hr electric start Champion genset from costco for $500 or so. Swap out the spark plug, put on a Diamond/Splitfire or high performance spark plug from autopart store. If you can make Krupa spark plug, that will work much better.

Construct a chamber to house your Atomizer and duct the fog into the engine air intake. Start engine with regular gasoline, then switch over to water injecion. It will run good and you can improve upon it by selective filtering of H and O2 seperately into a storage tanks so no gasoline/ diesel is needed to start engine, you can also add 2 and 3 stage tanks to seperate atomize water also and be able to precisely blend your gaseous mixture on demand according to your engines needs, thus allowing you to run all types of ICE, small engines, diesel and gasoline.






Copy of Krupa's Firestorm spark plug .
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replication Instructable.


Ultrasonic Water Fogger-The Mist Maker
Ultrasonic Water Fogger-The Mist Maker
K006 is the transducer, there machines are bit too $$$ but they ship fast. buy em cheap from aliexpress or taobao, delivery takes 1 week.


zinc oxide is $11/ lb from ebay. ammonium hydroxide is $15 per bottle.

more reading
Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS

Source: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

Regards,

VIDBID

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Increased HHO Gas (& Charged Water Gas Clusters) w/ Cavitation by .6mm Gap Spacing

My First Hydrogen Experiment - YouTube

See Paul Zigouras Paul Zigouras

Moray B King : One Million Cavitating Water Electrolyzers - YouTube

Regards,

VIDBID

[sprocket]

Experiment Proposal:

I propose producing secondary HHO gas (aka Charged Water Gas Clusters) with a ultrasonic water fogger and feeding the gas into a H-cat to see what happens.

See Moray B King : One Million Cavitating Water Electrolyzers - YouTube at 1 Hour, 5 Minutes & 30 Seconds.



Regards,

VIDBID

I proposed it first! I want 5% of the billions you make from the use of my intellectual property!!!

Seriously though, given that with HHO the reaction 'self-starts', whereas the 'heavier' lighter-fluid needs the palladium filament to be pre-heated, I think any experiments using fogger-mist should seriously consider pre-heating as well in order to initiate the reaction.

[vidbid]

The Secondary Gas

I proposed it first! I want 5% of the billions you make from the use of my intellectual property!!!

Seriously though, given that with HHO the reaction 'self-starts', whereas the 'heavier' lighter-fluid needs the palladium filament to be pre-heated, I think any experiments using fogger-mist should seriously consider pre-heating as well in order to initiate the reaction.

Hi Sprocket!

That would be awesome.

I wonder why I haven't heard of Moray B. King until recently.

20120830 Cavitating Electroyzers, The Key to Over Unity by Moray B. King - YouTube

From what I understand about using a piezoelectric mist-fogger with zinc oxide crystals, the charged water gas clusters or electrically expanded water (the secondary gas) produced would go directly to catalytic converter to produce heat.

However, I believe the best way to produce the secondary gas in a cavitating electrolyzer is with 0.6mm narrow gap spacing between nano-pitted plates.

Regards,

VIDBID

PS: See Mark LeClair on dangerous neutron and gamma radiation from transmutation through cavitation. He says cavitation is dangerous as far as radiation that is produced by it is concerned.

20120830 Cavitating Electroyzers, The Key to Over Unity by Moray B. King - YouTube at 2 Hours, 20 Minutes

20120920 - Presentation by Mark LeClair of NanoSpire - YouTube

https://nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html

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Huge HHO Production with Paul Zigouras' Cell

My First Hydrogen Experiment - YouTube

According to Moray B. King, cell employs cavitation with (45 degree angle) nano-cratered plates and .6 mm gap spacing of plates.

According to Mark LeClair cavitation carries substantial radiation risks.

Regards,

VIDBID

[vidbid]

Electricity from Electrolysis

See the following thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-...rcuit-eec.html

Regards,

VIDBID

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Paul Zigouras

According to http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/A...uppression.pdf
Paul Zigouras was able to convert two gallons of water into HHO per minute.

That is an insane amount of conversion.

Paul Zigouras had a super efficient hydrogen generator system, which was suppressed and eventually bought out.
Here is some info on it from around the web:



Sold for:US $1,150.00
So it seems they found a... what shall we call him/her... customer ;-)

Note it's a scam which can reduce GW actually, in that it allows your ICE to
run on electricity Smiley

Michel


Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:07 PM


A small auto racing company called "Zigouras" has gotten into the "ultra-efficient electrolysis" fray and claims to power an ICE on self-generated hydrogen [Brown's Gas] with zero gasoline. Money back guarantee!

The inventor, Paul Zigouras summarized the main details on another forum:

1. The cell is 316L grade s/s plates [Brown's Gas type] spaced at only 0.025 inch apart (0.6 mm)
2. Water goes in one end and gas comes out the other
3. The current drive is via many FET transistors in parallel
4. The output waveform is a "perfect" square wave as that has all harmonics in it
5. The central frequency is about 40 kHz
6. There is a frequency modulation "wobble" of the signal +1 to -3 kHz around the base frequency.
7. The current draw at 13.8 volts is between 160 and 190 amps.
8. A cell of about 20 plates 3" x 10" is capable of generating 20,000 litres of gas per minute.
9. The voltage applied to the cell never falls below +1 volt. As one side of the cell is connected to +13.8 volts, that means that the other side of the cell never goes above +12.8 volts. In other words, the square wave switches between zero volts and +12.8 volts 40,000 times per second.
10. Paul Z. developed his circuit by modifying the circuit from Kevin. However, it is likely that Paul's final circuit does not have very much in common with Kevin's circuit as Paul did a
good deal of development and testing.


The company is in Brockton, Mass. They sound like they are onto
something which is seemingly scientifically impossible.

http://www.zigourasracing.com/

I would not even have mentioned it - since the claim is preposterous on its surface (although others have been making the same claim since "Dad" Garrett in 1935, especially Stan Meyers)... except that Zigouras do seems to be a valid racing outfit - so they must know a thing or two about engines.

Zigouras Racing is building and recently started selling (on eBay!) this water-fuel technology (BG electrolysis) unit which sounds too good to be true, and probably is hyped-up beyond a real ability to validate, but anyway.... is there any anomaly at all in what they are doing?

They have an electroyzer driven by very high amps off of a beefed up alternator in an auto - they are claiming to be capable of electrolyzing 5 gallons of water per minute (impossible !) and then using only this (part steam part H2 and O2 or Brown's gas) to power a vehicle with no gasoline! Not the first time this claim has been made, of course.
Stanley Meyer returns from the grave.

Below is data from their eBay ad which appeared here (may be lapsed):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=120086147205

"This is our first production ECM (electronic control module) for our standard water cell. This ECM is pictured on the right, and is rated at 150 amps output. This module comes completely calibrated to our 14-plate cell, and is plug-and-play -- no tuning required. If you are planning on running your car strictly on water, without the use of gasoline, this
ECM will run the car just fine as long as your engine is around 2.5 L or so. Larger engines will have limited throttle response, and should use the larger ECM (pictured on the left) which is rated at up to 400 amps. This larger ECM will be auctioned off in a few days on ebay. The unit in this auction is capable of putting out over 150 amps (12VDC) at 35khz.
This intelligent unit modifies the signal to allow for peak HHO gas output, while drawing minimal current. On smaller engines, you can generate up to 90 horsepower with our 14-plate cell, and over 150 horsepower with our 30-plate cell. The 30-plate cell requires the heavy duty version of this ECM, which only costs slightly more than the smaller version. This is version 1.0A of the ECM, which does not have any type of safeties built into it. Shorting the plates could cause damage to the electronics, so we recommend only using our cells for your projects. ECM has a 90 day warranty, if installed and used correctly. Warranty covers the ECM only -- labor and shipping is not included. If you are looking to run a V8 or other type of large engine, please call engineering at (508) 583-5133. We are currenty designing an ECM specifically for larger engines, even though doing so will consume a tremendous amount of water. Technical support is provided for the ECM at the number above, however, it should be pretty self-explanatory. There are only 2 wires in, and 2 wires out to the cell, so it is very easy to connect. Please note that using any other electrolysis cells other than ours will VOID your warranty. Buyer pays S&H.


From Paul:

Unfortunately, word of mouth has distorted many of the important facts. I did not personally sell the rights to the product; our company's investors did. And since they owned over 92% of the company, the employees and I got a very small piece of the sale. But it was a good Christmas Bonus

The good news is that the technology we sold was inferior to some of the resonance-drive technology out there today. Our new controllers cost 80% less than our original ones (which we can no longer make), and the performance is about 95% of the older controllers. I wouldn't say that the newer design is "better" but it's definitely a better bang-for-the-buck both in terms of manufacturing costs, and retail pricing.

As far as supression goes, I don't think it's any different than GM buying Saab. Companies regularly buy out other companies to protect their interests... It's been going on for hundreds of years, and probably will continue well into the future. I'm sure that if you start a company that builds 300,000 electric cars per year, the oil companies will buy you out in a matter of days. For every electric car that goes on the road, they lose over $80,000 worth of revenue (over the life of the car).

- Paul

Source: Paul Zigouras Electrolyzer

Also see: By Christopher Bird

Regards,

VIDBID

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Paul Zigouras

Paul Zigouras also designed a high amperage and close spacing cell several years ago, but he did not use an electrolyte, just plain water. Freddy found that with electrolytes add to the water he could power his truck engine.


Paul's Design:
- Pulsed 150A to 400A at 13.8 VDC
- 0.023" plate spacing
- 40 PSI max
- No Electrolyte
- Idle an engine only on 100% hydroxy gas

Source: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ns/topics/1397

Also more info on him at

Question about Paul Zigouras

Paul Zigouras: 20 000 Litres/min @ 190 Amps??

IAEB Club

Regards,

VIDBID