HHO Gas Injected Into A Catalytic Converter Yields Extreme Heat! LENR? We Don't Know

[RAMSET]

Recombinig

Laurent

I did speak with a Physicist Friend who made me aware of this Recombining effect [So Did Menber "Wings"].
Apparently when HHO Gas is placed in this type of environment "paladium /platinum? " the Gas recombines and gives off heat in the process.[no flame involved]

I suppose the real question is are the fellows seeing more heat from this "recombine" effect then the power they used to seperate the molecules in the first place.
Could be checked with a resistive heating element comparison of the same power? ,that is why I suggested the "fixed Loss to ambient" test protocol.

very simple to check?

hopefully this will show more heat out then the power they are using to seperate the molecules in the first place.

I certainly hope so ........

thanks for all you do for this community, you are a truely wonderful person and very talented experimenter.

I am quite sure we will all be playing here soon.......

with all respect,

Chet

[gotoluc]

Bonjour Laurent,

it looks like your cat may not have platinum and palladium plating (coating) looks like it's only a ceramic cat.
I don't think it can work without the platinum and palladium

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[Gdez]

Seems simple

Hey woopy,
I already have thought about how you would build a water jacket around a cat to heat water. That part doesn't seem complicated . But how would you transfer the heat from the open flame hho to the water jacket with out going through the cat.
The test you are talking about would be very easy ( Just boil the 1lb. water in each separate test, with the same input,, and time it, and you could figure out btu's).
Doing the test on the same device would not seem to work, unless your could figure out how to distribute the heat the same as from the open flame/ no flame idea.
I guess to put it simply, I don't think you will stick the open hho flame up into the cat, and get the results you are looking for.
It seems you would have to design an open flame boiler design that would match the heated surface area of the no flame cat test. This seems tricky, but would no doubt prove which is better.
I'll have to give it more thought.

I have materials to build a fuel cell, and I have built one already. I have been out of the hho loop lately, but without getting to of topic on this thread, would maybe someone recommend a design that would give the proper lpm needed (it seems you need as much as these guys are using in the video, from woopys experience). This is where I would have to start to experiment with this idea. Even if this doesn't show ou in the end, I wonder how it would stack up against gas and oil heating?
I'll be thinking on it,
greg

[pmazz850]

more velocity??

Bonjour Laurent,

it looks like your cat may not have platinum and palladium plating (coating) looks like it's only a ceramic cat.
I don't think it can work without the platinum and palladium

Thanks for sharing

Luc

All cats have the platinum and paladium....its not really visible, even when brand new. I've looked at brand new german cats and really couldn't see anything.

@Woopy..
Did you try burning off the carbon with the torch like In the video? If your torch is small, maybe the gas needs a certain velocity to obtain the affect. Maybe you could try small amount of compressed air to push the gas. Or just a bigger torch!!

[woopy]

Hi all

just a small video of my experiment so far

CAT to LENR aproach 1 wmv - YouTube

good luck at all

Laurent

[RAMSET]

one suggestion

Woopy

Nice video ,very clever adaptation for this purpose.

The Gas is much lighter than air [they had used it in early Blimps for this reason]
I imagine it coming out of the hose and shooting Skyward ,not into the cat?

also we may not see any observable reaction on the palladium /catalyst,however a good thermometer/thermocouple could pick up small localized heat reactions ?

or even infrared thermometer ?

thanks for sharing.

Chet

[jdcproducts]

Woopy

Nice video ,very clever adaptation for this purpose.

The Gas is much lighter than air [they had used it in early Blimps for this reason]
I imagine it coming out of the hose and shooting Skyward ,not into the cat?

also we may not see any observable reaction on the palladium /catalyst,however a good thermometer/thermocouple could pick up small localized heat reactions ?

or even infrared thermometer ?

thanks for sharing.

Chet

I think woopy may have a piece of substrate that is void of platinum or palladium. You should be able to see the surface of the substrate start to glow bright orange from the reaction without the need of a measurement device. Few guys have struck out the first time they tried it but here is a video from the other night in my work area. I've got a oem cat that has a good amount of noble metals and the reactions begins immediately with as little as 250 mL a minute of gas. Once I seal the system up and can control temps, I will run the test as it compares to resistive heating or using the incandescent bulb method. Right now its a crude experiment but promising so far. My camera skills isn't the best but I hope you guys get the idea. Really pleased with all the feedback.

H-Cat Demo / Test 2 Internal temps 6-900 degrees F + - YouTube

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Model or part number

JDC
Thanks for the nice Vid of that very obvious reaction.
Do you have a model number of the Cat you are using?
Or even the application it was made for [car and year]

thx
Chet

[jdcproducts]

JDC
Thanks for the nice Vid of that very obvious reaction.
Do you have a model number of the Cat you are using?
Or even the application it was made for [car and year]

thx
Chet

The only model or number I see is EM 70380. Looks like oem to me and not aftermarket. I will have to get with Neal to check on that. He also stated that high end imports have the most metal content. Big rigs or diesel trucks should have some heavy duty cats as well. The higher the cost in the retail world most likely the more noble metals the cat will contain. Its even possible to coat your own ceramics with Platinum or Palladium using a simple form of electroplating.

They also sale the catalytic heaters right on the shelf so it may be possible to modify those to run on hho. Loads of testing but one thing that seems to be a booger bear is the mind set of needing to pre-heat the material. Doesn't seem to be necessary. I'm also sure the wood stove "Catalytic Combustors" would be loaded down with noble metals because they cost a pretty penny brand new. There has got to be a data sheet somewhere that can be used to identify which cats have the most reactive metals.

Either way, there is a definite reaction taking place that seems to be yielding a substantial amount of heat. The fact that pure water is the only by product and no ventilation is necessary, this effect deserves further study and development. For me its simply the coolest way to heat with hho.

[pmazz850]

Hi all

just a small video of my experiment so far

CAT to LENR aproach 1 wmv - YouTube

good luck at all

Laurent

Woopy,
Have you tried to get a reaction with the other half of your cat? Here in the US a cat has two different substrates. Each performs a different function and I believe contains different mixtures of noble metals. Its worth a try.....

How a 3-Way Catalytic Converter Works « Mechteacher.com

[pmazz850]

@JDC,
Are you using the inlet side or outlet side in the videos? Or does it work on both? Could be important for replication since there are two different substartes, platinum and rhodium vs platinum and paladium.

[RAMSET]

Good input.....

Also as Justin mentioned these metals can be electroplated [cost effective Brushplated]
here is a UK supplier
Gold plating kits - Silver Electroplating Kits - Plating Equipment. [there are many others]

I had built brushplating machines for doing this years ago ,I probably have some Rhodium laying around.

@Justin
I could help you get settup with a brush plating machine if testing shows good results.[on loan]

a nice purpose built and plated screen manifold [test tube sized may work just fine?

I can send you a thermocouple thermometer to use in you Fixed loss to ambient test.[on loan]
also can be available to assist in that test as schedule permits.

the point being no part of this settup is beyond your grasp ,you and Neal or
anyone else working on this can play very easily in this area at the home work shop.

if you need me give me a ring.
thx
Chet

[woopy]

Hi all

i finally got the awaited result

So i cut my Twingo CAT at the motor entry side and than i cleaned a portion of the very dark surface with a litle gaz burner, and than applied the very small HHO jet and i got the catalytic reaction.

CAT to LENR approach 2 wmv - YouTube

So now i know that my CAT is a good one, i will make further testing.

Thank's to JDC and Hydrofuelincanada for the video which showed me the way to go.

And now i have to spend some time to think what to do with this new experiment.

Stirling perhaps ??

Good luck at all

Laurent

[pmazz850]

Nice work Woopy!!
So reduction catalyst it is.

I have a box somewhere of the old pellets from a big old cat. I should find them and break out the old hho cell.

[jdcproducts]

@JDC,
Are you using the inlet side or outlet side in the videos? Or does it work on both? Could be important for replication since there are two different substartes, platinum and rhodium vs platinum and paladium.

Both sides work at least on the cat I have but gas has to be pumped in on both sides to activate the reaction. If you pump gas into one side, then through the catalytic combustion process, most if not all of the gas is converted back to water, so once the second substrate is up for the reaction, there is no gas left.

My plan is to seal and pump gas on each side simultaneously, drill a breather and condensation drain in the middle bottom of the cat. If I can control the reaction, I can then use the entire exterior of the cat as a heat exchanger to blow air over it or dunk in water.

Another clever idea was to bore a hole in the middle of the substrate and pass a copper water pipe through. Seal both ends in the same fashion and pump gas through the remaining substrate. Insulate the exterior of the cat so all the heat is focused in on the copper pipe. Should work, just a matter of engineering.