HHO Gas Injected Into A Catalytic Converter Yields Extreme Heat! LENR? We Don't Know

[jdcproducts]

Also as Justin mentioned these metals can be electroplated [cost effective Brushplated]
here is a UK supplier
Gold plating kits - Silver Electroplating Kits - Plating Equipment. [there are many others]

I had built brushplating machines for doing this years ago ,I probably have some Rhodium laying around.

@Justin
I could help you get settup with a brush plating machine if testing shows good results.[on loan]

a nice purpose built and plated screen manifold [test tube sized may work just fine?

I can send you a thermocouple thermometer to use in you Fixed loss to ambient test.[on loan]
also can be available to assist in that test as schedule permits.

the point being no part of this settup is beyond your grasp ,you and Neal or
anyone else working on this can play very easily in this area at the home work shop.

if you need me give me a ring.
thx
Chet

I appreciate your generosity. The feedback and help we have received from the community has been awesome.

I will certainly be in contact if I decide to go down the road of electroplating.

My main focus and controlling is containing the reaction in a off the shelf automobile catalytic converter so that replication can be done using off the shelf parts. I'm also trying to stabilize the reaction so I can move forward with some solid efficiency tests. Right now its looks very promising but we know we are losing a lot of efficiency through our crude experiments, so we are working on insulating and sealing up the cat so our tests will be accurate. Thanks again for all the feedback. Woopy finally got the results he was looking for so I'm happy he has validated the effect. His work with the compact LENR water reactors has been top notch. I hope he can find some anomalies with this effect as well.

[Netica]

Just a thought,

I wonder if the effect would still occur if the catalytic material was submerged in water or even half in water and the HHO bubbles were to bubble through from the underside then heating the water directly and preventing any kind of flashback.

I'm not experimenting with this but just thinking about it. The catalytic material may be ineffective when wet. I don't know.

[TravisM]

Clarifying

I definitely should have been more clear. Thank you for pointing that out. They are using catalytic converters to create this reaction of heat from the hho hitting the catalysts in the catalytic converter. The precious metals are the catylist. Graphitic Carbon Nitride is a non metallic catalyst made cheaply from urea crystals. A high grade catalytic converter will have more precious metals like platinum thus giving better results when trying to get hho to react to the catalytic converter. Using Graphic Carbon Nitride on whatever substrate you choose would cut cost significantly. Some people are not getting very good results on using catalytic converters, just thought I might give them some info on other catalysts out there for their running hho over the catalytic converter experiments.
I hope that clarifies my last post a little bit. Happy experimenting.

Travis

[woopy]

Hi all

just made a lot of test today.

It seems that the reaction works everywhere on the substrate.

I cut some small portion and even reduced some to powder.



The best result seems to happen on the flat surfaces (i cut the honeycomb in the longitudinal direction, so i get some flat surface)

One thing that is very interesting is that when i place the HHO torch (without flame ) at 1 cm above a flat surface , the HHO jet create a dot of reaction that become very fast red hot than almost white hot, and than i get the flashback and the flame appears at the torch. And at this moment, without moving the torch (same position at 1 cm ), the dot is much less hot (only lightly red hot ).
So it seems that the flamless reaction is more efficient than the pure HHO flame.
This answers one of my question in the previous post, but need to be confirmed by further testing......so LENR perhaps ???? youp youp !! Don't shoot me down !!

Than i tried to inject moisture in the cat honeycomb, and than i could not get the reaction on the wet portion. So i think it will not work with my vapor from my LENR reactor. But who knows ??

Voila for today

Laurent

[woopy]

And here a small video of what i am testing

I suppose that the on and off of the gaz output is due to some water bubbles from the flash back arrestor and the needle-injector. But for this demo this little problem is very helfull.

CAT to LENR approach 3 wmv - YouTube

good luck at all

laurent

[Netica]

Heat Transfer Ideas

Thinking of ways to transfer the heat into water to use.

Another idea I just had is to place some of the catalytic material into smaller pipes maybe 1/2 inch to 1 inch (even smaller or bigger) depending on scale and whatever works best. Then placing the pipes in water. (like in a steam boiler either sideways, upright or even an angle).

Having many of these smaller reactors within the water may heat the water more efficiently. Getting the most out of the heat produced.
I don't know if copper will work, stainless tubing may be good as it will handle the heat better and corrosion resistant.

netica

[Cadman]

Woopy

It would be interesting to see a small catalyst placed into a metal tube capped on the top and feed the gas directly down through a small tube. Would this eliminate the oxygen and prevent a flame, giving better results?

[jdcproducts]

Thinking of ways to transfer the heat into water to use.

Another idea I just had is to place some of the catalytic material into smaller pipes maybe 1/2 inch to 1 inch (even smaller or bigger) depending on scale and whatever works best. Then placing the pipes in water. (like in a steam boiler either sideways, upright or even an angle).

Having many of these smaller reactors within the water may heat the water more efficiently. Getting the most out of the heat produced.
I don't know if copper will work, stainless tubing may be good as it will handle the heat better and corrosion resistant.

netica

Sounds like some great ideas. There would be benefit to designing smaller pipes with catalyst metals inside. Then pass gas through each pipe, making it easier to diffuse the gas inside each pipe. One issue would be exhausting the steam or water vapor out.

You cannot get the ceramic coated substrates wet or the reaction suffers and may not even work at all. I tried dunking my catalytic converter under water for some tests and it took two days to dry out enough so that I could get the reaction going again.

This reaction will yield water and or steam so we must engineer ways of removing the water out of the reactor. Lots of ways of doing it.

Don't forget all the corporate Cold Fusion or Lenr research that is going on is based on hydrogen catalytic reactors. We really have something here with this discovery. Its just a matter of all of us working together to refine it and build it into something practical.

I'm working on insulating my catalytic converter and diffusing the gas over the entire substrate. Hopefully I can throttle the heat up and down inside the cat, but there are tons of ways to go about testing and using this process.

[altrez]

Hello Everyone,

I am really enjoying this topic and feel that it deserves much research! Would this work for testing the effect? I would love to get a parts list together so others have a clear path to get one set up to test and post results on.

Magnaflow 99006HM Universal Catalytic Converter (Non CARB compliant) : Amazon.com : Automotive

Thank you!

-Altrez

[jdcproducts]

Hello Everyone,

I am really enjoying this topic and feel that it deserves much research! Would this work for testing the effect? I would love to get a parts list together so others have a clear path to get one set up to test and post results on.

Magnaflow 99006HM Universal Catalytic Converter (Non CARB compliant) : Amazon.com : Automotive

Thank you!

-Altrez

Thanks for your interest. I am sure that catalytic converter will produce some results. The key is finding one with the most platinum and palladium deposits as possible. Most of the manufacturers do not list that information with the items description. Magnaflow is known for high quality exhaust system parts so it should be a safe purchase.

[altrez]

Thanks for your interest. I am sure that catalytic converter will produce some results. The key is finding one with the most platinum and palladium deposits as possible. Most of the manufacturers do not list that information with the items description. Magnaflow is known for high quality exhaust system parts so it should be a safe purchase.

jdcproducts,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I will order that soon. Do you have a recommendation for a HHO system to attach to it? I am looking for something thats already constructed.

I have found a few on ebay that output 6Lpm so that should be enough to start with. I just want to be sure before I make the investment.

Thanks!

-Altrez

[altrez]

I have been doing a bit of research and ran across this old article about the process.

Platinum Catalyzed Reaction of Hydrogen and Oxygen

and this one:

Surface catalysis of the hydrogen-oxygen reaction on platinum at low temperatures - Leder - 2004 - AIChE Journal - Wiley Online Library

Cool stuff! It looks like its been around a long time.

-Altrez

[woopy]

Hi all

While i was testing some different parts of my Twingo cat, i stumble upon this

CAT to LENR approach4 wmv - YouTube

really cool, it seems that we can get the " sunlight " in the cat

I don't know if you guys have already tried it but it seems that when we approach the torch very near to the catalyst almost/ or touching it, the reaction seems to intensify very much. I don't know if there is a flame or not at the torch, or a mixing of both , but i am very impressed. The reaction clearly melt the ceramic and some time i got the torch glued in the ceramic and after i retired , the torch is red hot, and if i insist, i am sure that the torch will melt also.

Youp i am puzzled here

OK good luck at all

Laurent

[altrez]

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading about Platinum Catalyzed Reaction of Hydrogen and Oxygen all day. Its a very interesting concept. With the Cats we have a ready made reactor

Thank you jdcproducts for posting this. It should make this so simple for a lot of replications to take place. The catalytic converter has everything needed to start small. I do think you can make a way better reactor but this small one should in theory lead to a very easy COP > 1

I will be addeing thermoelectric modules on my build to capture the heat that is produced. I will take every type of mesument that I can and post all the results.

Time to have some fun

-Altrez

[altrez]

Hi all

While i was testing some different parts of my Twingo cat, i stumble upon this

CAT to LENR approach4 wmv - YouTube

really cool, it seems that we can get the " sunlight " in the cat

I don't know if you guys have already tried it but it seems that when we approach the torch very near to the catalyst almost/ or touching it, the reaction seems to intensify very much. I don't know if there is a flame or not at the torch, or a mixing of both , but i am very impressed. The reaction clearly melt the ceramic and some time i got the torch glued in the ceramic and after i retired , the torch is red hot, and if i insist, i am sure that the torch will melt also.

Youp i am puzzled here

OK good luck at all

Laurent

Laurent Great work!!

Try this. Take a ball of cat materiel about the size of a marble suspend it in a ring made from a wire coat hanger. Use your torch to hit it from underneath. You will have a mini sun! At that point you can capture energy with some solar panels. I know it will work

The marble size mixture now has become a fuel pellet. Should be really neat to see!

-Altrez