HHO Gas Injected Into A Catalytic Converter Yields Extreme Heat! LENR? We Don't Know

[jdcproducts]

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading about Platinum Catalyzed Reaction of Hydrogen and Oxygen all day. Its a very interesting concept. With the Cats we have a ready made reactor

Thank you jdcproducts for posting this. It should make this so simple for a lot of replications to take place. The catalytic converter has everything needed to start small. I do think you can make a way better reactor but this small one should in theory lead to a very easy COP > 1

I will be addeing thermoelectric modules on my build to capture the heat that is produced. I will take every type of mesument that I can and post all the results.

Time to have some fun

-Altrez

Yes, The United States Military especially has been researching and developing these types of catalytic reactors since the 50's. There is so much power density to these systems its mind boggling. The reason why I decided to release the information free to the public is because of the fact I found a few de-classified documents from the United States Government that showed they had been working on the technology for a very long time. I also found out they were investing billions if not trillions into the development of hydrogen based technologies before my grandmother was born and yet none of us in the mainstream ever got a chance to use any of the technologies.Most people in my local area have never even heard of it.

I was unable to find anyone on YouTube experimenting with the concept or any web posts talking about it. I knew the information was a jewel. Instead of hanging on to it myself and trying to make money, I felt it best to tell everyone what I discovered. There is more to the catalytic combustion of hho than meets the eye. Thanks for the interest and information.

[jdcproducts]

jdcproducts,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I will order that soon. Do you have a recommendation for a HHO system to attach to it? I am looking for something thats already constructed.

I have found a few on ebay that output 6Lpm so that should be enough to start with. I just want to be sure before I make the investment.

Thanks!

-Altrez

To experiment with this you really don't need anything more than 200 watts. We are finding out its enough to produce useful heat. I sale a few plan sets and systems but the choice is ultimately up to you. You can build one from scratch or you can buy one from literally hundreds if not thousands of online vendors.

Almost any hho brick cell 7-21 plates built for 12 volt dc power sources will handle 200 watts.

Be weary of over the top liter per minute output claims. Rough estimate, 200 watts of power input to any type of electrolysis hho cell will yield about a liter per minute. We have been able to do this will 100-150 watts but not much more than that.

6 lpm systems would need 8-1000 watts of power to produce that much gas output. That is a large system and your going to find a hard time finding a 12 volt dc power supply that can output 1 kilowatt. It would cost a bundle.

When you start getting into the 5-10 liter per minute output ranges, you really want a system that runs on grid power 120-240 volts. The voltage is rectified to DC and an AC variac or even some use a router speed controller to throttle the voltage/amps up and down. This greatly reduces the amount of amps needed to get to the high wattage needed. For instance. If you wanted 1200 watts with a 12 volt system. The hho cell would need to draw 100 amps. That is a lot of heat being produced and the need for very low gauge thick power cables is a must. Your hho cell must have multiple stacks of cells with a lot of surface area to be able to handle that type of current as well. At the same time if you had 120 volt hho cell you would only need 10 amps to match the same wattage. Reducing heat and the size of the power cables needed.

The draw back to the higher voltage systems is the number of series stacked plates increases. You will roughly need 60 plates stacked in series to obtain a 120 cell which will run stable. You simply connect a positive cable to one of the outside plates and the negative cable to the other outside plates. All the other plates in the middle will act as "neutral" plates or "bipolar" plates. They do not need power connections and will reduce the incoming voltage between each plate to roughly 2 volts.

With standard brute force electrolysis you want 2-3 volt voltage potential between the anode and cathode. Anything above this voltage will produce waste heat and will eat your plates quickly.

Notice most basic 12 volt electrolysis cells start out as 7 plate cells. Two power plates on the end and 5 independent neutral plates in the middle. With this 7 plate stack and an input of 12 volts dc, the voltage between each plate will drop to 2 volts. That 7 plate stack depending on the size will only be able to handle 5-15 amps usually. That means if you wanted a high amp 12 volt dc system, you will need multiple stacks of 7 plate cells. Each 7 plate stack handling again 5-10 amps.

It can get rather confusing at first if you haven't done much work with hho but to start the beginning stages of this type of experiment, you only need a small 12 volt 7 plate hho cell, which will yield .25- 1 lpm of production.

If you have questions about a specific hho cell you are thinking about purchasing or want to build you own. Post in this thread or send me a personal message. I'm always happy to help out anyone interested in hho.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

H & O recombination reaction

Below I have attached "part" of a pdf from my reaction files of SMD for your consideration. Please note that this is a diatomic and no LENR reaction.

regards

Mike

[citfta]

Thank You!!

Thank you JDC for posting this information. Of all the projects on this forum I believe this is one of the most promising as well as being one almost anyone can work on. I am in the process of locating a cat or two to try this with. I use a local auto repair shop and the owner has said he will save one for me. I was going to order one from Ebay until I saw your post that said others had not gotten the cheap $40 ones to work.

I can see all kinds of potential for a system using the process you have shared. From home heating and water heating to maybe even a steam powered auto. My son already has a HHO cell he was using on his diesel truck which we can borrow to test our cat when we get one.

Thanks Woopy for doing such a great job as usual for sharing what you are doing. I am sure there are a lot of others that are watching and just haven't posted anything yet.

Thanks again to both of you, Carroll

[altrez]

Below I have attached "part" of a pdf from my reaction files of SMD for your consideration. Please note that this is a diatomic and no LENR reaction.

regards

Mike

Hey Mike,

Thanks for posting that. It does seem to be a very efficient way to use hydrogen gas the more I read about it. I agree there is no LENR effect going on here but it is something very useful and easy to replicate. And something I have not ran across before.



-Altrez

[altrez]

To experiment with this you really don't need anything more than 200 watts. We are finding out its enough to produce useful heat. I sale a few plan sets and systems but the choice is ultimately up to you. You can build one from scratch or you can buy one from literally hundreds if not thousands of online vendors.

Almost any hho brick cell 7-21 plates built for 12 volt dc power sources will handle 200 watts.

Be weary of over the top liter per minute output claims. Rough estimate, 200 watts of power input to any type of electrolysis hho cell will yield about a liter per minute. We have been able to do this will 100-150 watts but not much more than that.

6 lpm systems would need 8-1000 watts of power to produce that much gas output. That is a large system and your going to find a hard time finding a 12 volt dc power supply that can output 1 kilowatt. It would cost a bundle.

When you start getting into the 5-10 liter per minute output ranges, you really want a system that runs on grid power 120-240 volts. The voltage is rectified to DC and an AC variac or even some use a router speed controller to throttle the voltage/amps up and down. This greatly reduces the amount of amps needed to get to the high wattage needed. For instance. If you wanted 1200 watts with a 12 volt system. The hho cell would need to draw 100 amps. That is a lot of heat being produced and the need for very low gauge thick power cables is a must. Your hho cell must have multiple stacks of cells with a lot of surface area to be able to handle that type of current as well. At the same time if you had 120 volt hho cell you would only need 10 amps to match the same wattage. Reducing heat and the size of the power cables needed.

The draw back to the higher voltage systems is the number of series stacked plates increases. You will roughly need 60 plates stacked in series to obtain a 120 cell which will run stable. You simply connect a positive cable to one of the outside plates and the negative cable to the other outside plates. All the other plates in the middle will act as "neutral" plates or "bipolar" plates. They do not need power connections and will reduce the incoming voltage between each plate to roughly 2 volts.

With standard brute force electrolysis you want 2-3 volt voltage potential between the anode and cathode. Anything above this voltage will produce waste heat and will eat your plates quickly.

Notice most basic 12 volt electrolysis cells start out as 7 plate cells. Two power plates on the end and 5 independent neutral plates in the middle. With this 7 plate stack and an input of 12 volts dc, the voltage between each plate will drop to 2 volts. That 7 plate stack depending on the size will only be able to handle 5-15 amps usually. That means if you wanted a high amp 12 volt dc system, you will need multiple stacks of 7 plate cells. Each 7 plate stack handling again 5-10 amps.

It can get rather confusing at first if you haven't done much work with hho but to start the beginning stages of this type of experiment, you only need a small 12 volt 7 plate hho cell, which will yield .25- 1 lpm of production.

If you have questions about a specific hho cell you are thinking about purchasing or want to build you own. Post in this thread or send me a personal message. I'm always happy to help out anyone interested in hho.

Thanks for the info. I will most likely order one from your site

-Altrez

[RAMSET]

Caloric testing

Just for clarity.
all you need to test this is a cardboard box and a thermometer.Thats it nothing else !!

if you know your input power to the HHO cell?

say its taking you 30 watts to make your gas? [BTW 30 watts can make a resistor white hot 1000 F or higher easily]

put the "reactor" in a washing machine sized cardboard box
just place the box over the unit. put a thermometer lead into the box .
[hang the lead inside ] seal the box to the ground with weights on the flaps.

run the "reactor".. when the heat stops rising in the box or can no longer raise it do to losses to the cold air outside the box .

write down the temp.

now take a 30 watt light bulb or soldering iron or
whatever resistive element you have handy.

run the test again.

compare your final temperature rise against ambient [temp outside the box]
this is a fixed loss to ambient test .


who won??
your Final box temps are the ruler for comparison.

A cardboard box and a thermometer = calorimetry [caloric measurement]
running both tests simultaneously is best [same conditions]

thx
Chet
ps
Calorimetry is fun and useful ,it would behoove you to learn these simple scientific measurement techniques.
after all the only way to make inprovements is to know where you stand in the first place.
the resistive electic heater [light bulbs even]is almost 100 percent efficient when making heat inside a cardboard box and gives you a line in the sand to beat.

[jdcproducts]

Below I have attached "part" of a pdf from my reaction files of SMD for your consideration. Please note that this is a diatomic and no LENR reaction.

regards

Mike

I appreciate the information but where is the rest of the report? This is also not data on the catalytic combustion of pure hho. H2 metered with 02 is not hho.

You have pictures, videos, or detailed descriptions of the tests performed? What does the reactor look like? how was it designed and built? What are the measurements? Most of the recombiner reactors I've seen were not engineered to be viable for use in space heating. Not going to heat much with a tiny platinum wire or 1/2" diameter reaction tube. So far, thats been really all the meat and potatoes I can find. You gave me one page of a report so you leave a lot to desire and a million questions to follow.

One page of some numbers and a few paragraphs of information isn't really useful to this particular effect again using HHO on demand is of prime interest.

I am looking for Testing of 250-1000 watt On demand HHO or Hydrogen Catalytic heaters, which main purpose is to produce heat output to warm a room or home, not a small scale experiment used for the purpose of gathering mathematical models. It is no bother to me if the math says its more efficient to plug in an electric resistive heater. To be sure someone out there can provide this information? No fully functional on demand hho or even H2 heater can be found with video and complete data sets.

Again this report is testing the effect using only one form of hydrogen oxygen, their are many other states and isotopes that will produce different results in the same reaction. Maybe the basic method you used did not produce the LENR effect but this one page is in no way a closed book as it pertains to LENR methodologies. Again I will say it again. All the cold fusion research and the so called Nickel Hydrogen reactors are based on Hydrogen gas in various states sent inside a reactor core of a porous or nano structured catalyst metal. Lots of tweaks to get the reaction going and controlling it but the base track is already laid...

Not sure what the report was supposed to provide as far as information goes but its not complete and doesn't provide even close to enough information to consider the numbers on it accurate.

[jdcproducts]

Just for clarity.
all you need to test this is a cardboard box and a thermometer.Thats it nothing else !!

if you know your input power to the HHO cell?

say its taking you 30 watts to make your gas? [BTW 30 watts can make a resistor white hot 1000 F or higher easily]

put the "reactor" in a washing machine sized cardboard box
just place the box over the unit. put a thermometer lead into the box .
[hang the lead inside ] seal the box to the ground with weights on the flaps.

run the "reactor".. when the heat stops rising in the box or can no longer raise it do to losses to the cold air outside the box .

write down the temp.

now take a 30 watt light bulb or soldering iron or
whatever resistive element you have handy.

run the test again.

compare your final temperature rise against ambient [temp outside the box]
this is a fixed loss to ambient test .


who won??
your Final box temps are the ruler for comparison.

A cardboard box and a thermometer = calorimetry [caloric measurement]
running both tests simultaneously is best [same conditions]

thx
Chet
ps
Calorimetry is fun and useful ,it would behoove you to learn these simple scientific measurement techniques.
after all the only way to make inprovements is to know where you stand in the first place.
the resistive electic heater [light bulbs even]is almost 100 percent efficient when making heat inside a cardboard box and gives you a line in the sand to beat.

Your explanation of this is very straight forward and simple. I am not ready to take it to this level of calorimetry yet. Maybe some of the other guys would like to put something together small scale.

I am a design engineer, I would rather build a fully functional on demand hho catalytic heater without worrying about how efficient or inefficient it is for the simple fact I have never seen one built, tested, or used. For me nobody can place any type of efficiency numbers on that unless it has been built and tested for the purpose of space heating and not for the purpose of mathematical models which is just multiplied out to obtain a theoretical basis for something larger in scale.

I am also aware that a tiny resistor with 30 watts passed through it can reach over 1000 f but as far as the heat radiation, it would be equivalent to a match stick burning. No way you could take that resistor or match and get a huge chunk of heavy gauge stainless steel to temps above 400 degrees.

I will run this test if somebody else doesn't get there before me but I have to finalize and seal the reaction chamber so my numbers will come out right.

Thanks again for the input and feedback.

[RAMSET]

Do yourself a very big favor

Justin
before you invest a small fortune in time and money
go get a cardboard box at the back door of wallmart[this is where I get them]

go inside walmart and pick up one of their outdoor thermometers with
remote sensor [8-15 bucs]

doing this test is about as complicated as chewing Gum...........
and Yet it is 100% verifiable and accepted science.

There is a reason you don't see rocks with wings for sale ,and there is also a reason you don't see people taking 1000 watts of energy to make 800 watts of heat..

there is no market for waste...........

However a ten minute test might show otherwise?
thx
Chet

[jdcproducts]

Justin
before you invest a small fortune in time and money
go get a cardboard box at the back door of wallmart[this is where I get them]

go inside walmart and pick up one of their outdoor thermometers with
remote sensor [8-15 bucs]

doing this test is about as complicated as chewing Gum...........
and Yet it is 100% verifiable and accepted science.

There is a reason you don't see rocks with wings for sale ,and there is also a reason you don't see people taking 1000 watts of energy to make 800 watts of heat..

there is no market for waste...........

However a ten minute test might show otherwise?
thx
Chet

Small fortune? lol you must not understand how I build. The development of this has been free so far and will continue to be a group effort costing no money. All I am doing is insulating the catalytic converter with high temperature padding, welding on a few caps and adding hose barbs so the cat is sealed so I will have a more refined reaction to obtain solid numbers when I throw it under that box.

I'm not going to crudely shoot hho in from six inches back and also have ambient air coming in to dilute the gas and lessen the reaction then throw that under a box and go up against another heater of the same wattage or a few bulbs of the same wattage because regardless of the outcome, the reactor isn't ready for prime time. If my numbers come out OU, proves that even in the crudest form, its worth further development but if my numbers come out against the grain, I'm still going to have to fully refine the reactor so I will know for sure if the test was accurate.

There is no market for waste? I do not agree with that statement. I can provide many instances of wasteful tactics when it comes to the energy market especially.

One very curious one is with the item I have been experimenting with. The automobile catalytic converter. The only reason they install them on automobiles is to get rid of wasted fuel which results from inefficient burn of the prime mover fuel, gasoline or diesel. You ever seen water dripping from your tailpipe? Most of us have but think about that for a moment. In order to have water dripping out the tailpipe you need Hydrogen and Oxygen to be present out the exhaust of the engine and into the catalytic converter which will recombine hydrogen and oxygen if present to form water. Which ultimately means your car is sending perfectly good flammable fuel right out the engine and if it wasn't for the catalytic converter, that toxic fuel would be poured right on the ground. Hard earned dollars are being sent right out the tailpipe.

Also notice all the waste heat generated by the internal combustion engine which could easily be converted back to electricity to produce on board hydrogen which could be mixed with the gasoline or diesel to prevent all that unburned fuel from ever making it to the exhaust.

Solar pv cells have been around for a very long time and for some reason up until recently it was hard to find one above 20 percent efficient. You really think out of all those years nobody has developed a panel of higher efficiency? Sure they have but the United States Government slapped a national security sticker on it to keep it from making it to market. If you could buy 75-95 percent efficient solar panels, who needs gas, oil, and grid electricity? lol

Man I could go on and on about how wastefulness is intentionally built into our energy generation systems and appliances. The elite don't want us to have highly efficient energy systems because they lose out on that monthly income from the customers (you and me).

Why build an automobile that will last 100 years when you can build a crappy one that is going to break down in 5-10 years and will be in constant need of expensive repairs. Most people just go out and buy a new one. Its rare to find a car over 20 years old that isn't ragged out. Cheap steel, plastic, and a billion parts means stuff is going to break. They are going to get their money one way or the other and being wasteful is the way they do it. Certainly not by building high quality, high efficient, long lasting merchandise powered by the same ethics.

Again, all I have asked for is for someone to show me an on demand hho catalytic heater, fully functional which proved to be put to shame by my 1500 watt space heater than can barely throw out 200 degree air lol.

Not going to find it because it hasn't been done. I don't need money to build. This project is fun for me and I will continue down the same path. You said it yourself, its a very easy experiment to do. I don't have to be the one to put out efficiency numbers since its so easy for anyone else to do it. I am in this to build a heater. I am not worried about the theoretical math behind why its not efficient or why its impractical. Most of that garbage is a lie anyways.

I ain't got no fortune to spend so you don't have to worry about that with me. This prototype is built out of free junk and I am having a blast brainstorming and experimenting. I think the concept is cool as a polar bears toenails. I will probably be the only person in my town and maybe even the state that has a flameless hho catalytic heater. That alone is enough for me to move forward. Nobody else has one lol.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I will leave you to it but....

I appreciate the information but where is the rest of the report? This is also not data on the catalytic combustion of pure hho. H2 metered with 02 is not hho.


Not sure what the report was supposed to provide as far as information goes but its not complete and doesn't provide even close to enough information to consider the numbers on it accurate.

The rest of the pdf I don't think applies to this thread and one reason why I did not post the rest. It was for information about the reaction of H and O to form water and "energy" without "combustion" using a platinum catalyst, which is exactly what you are doing, but with the total energy going to heat and not heat and electrical power as in a hydrogen cell (which uses platinum as well).

My point is if you have to produce the H2 and O2 from electrolysis will you get more heat energy than the energy used to produce the H2 and O2 in the first place? and don't tell me it is not H2 and O2 from electrolysis of water "it is diatomic and not monatomic", the name HHO is a fallacy from 2 parts H plus 1 part O makes H2O, the reaction is 2H2O+ energy=2H2+O2. That is the final reaction in micro secounds, true it starts as monatomic H and O, but they are highly reactive and form H pairs and O pairs instantly when there is no other atom with an electron to grab.

I would take Chet's (RAMSET) advice and do his test. If you can split water into H2 and O2 using less energy than you recover, then all well and good, recombining H and O to create energy is "not the problem", making the H2 is.

I hope I have made myself clear, and by the way I am an industrial design engineer and a B.Sc of 63yrs, with ref: to your qualifications, and I do know what I'm talking about and only trying to help, so don't try to shoot me down.

regards

Mike

[altrez]

Hey Guys,

I plan to build this unit because I believe in its potential. I think at this point everyone is speculating on what will happen or what is happening. In the next month I am sure we will see more builds.

I think we can all agree on the fact that we are seeing a reaction with the setup. Its just a matter of seeing how far we can push it.



-Altrez

[jdcproducts]

The rest of the pdf I don't think applies to this thread and one reason why I did not post the rest. It was for information about the reaction of H and O to form water and "energy" without "combustion" using a platinum catalyst, which is exactly what you are doing, but with the total energy going to heat and not heat and electrical power as in a hydrogen cell (which uses platinum as well).

My point is if you have to produce the H2 and O2 from electrolysis will you get more heat energy than the energy used to produce the H2 and O2 in the first place? and don't tell me it is not H2 and O2 from electrolysis of water "it is diatomic and not monatomic", the name HHO is a fallacy from 2 parts H plus 1 part O makes H2O, the reaction is 2H2O+ energy=2H2+O2. That is the final reaction in micro secounds, true it starts as monatomic H and O, but they are highly reactive and form H pairs and O pairs instantly when there is no other atom with an electron to grab.

I would take Chet's (RAMSET) advice and do his test. If you can split water into H2 and O2 using less energy than you recover, then all well and good, recombining H and O to create energy is "not the problem", making the H2 is.

I hope I have made myself clear, and by the way I am an industrial design engineer and a B.Sc of 63yrs, with ref: to your qualifications, and I do know what I'm talking about and only trying to help, so don't try to shoot me down.

regards

Mike

Are you really going to play the I'm a big bad wise engineer card by quoting your indoctrinated education level and age? I have a bs degree in engineering too but thats just what it is to me BS lmao. Your the generation that never stood up to our government when all of this research was in its prime. They have invested trillions of dollars and built awesome technologies which have never seen the light of day. Only used to either annihilate entire countries and its peoples or propel a few greedy people around in space.

Your generation is the reason my grandmother can't leave the house because social security only gives her enough money to pay for the light bill, propane bill, and a few groceries.

Your generation is the reason she has a beat up clunker of a car that only gets 15 miles to the gallon lol. Your generation is the reason my grandmother, mother, and my sister have never even heard of hydrogen based technologies.

Don't give me the bs of how the rest of the report was irrelevant. You left out ALOT of details. REAL Professional reports can fill up entire filing cabinets and most if not all of the information in the report is directly related to each other.

I'm not trying to shoot anybody down. I'm just stating the facts. I bet you cold hard cash you have never once used a residential solar hydrogen system or have anything like that installed in your home or have used your industrial engineering skills to build anything of the like for your family and community. I bet you still pay the electric bill and you still pump toxic gasoline in your vehicle when you have lived out two of my lifetimes already. I could do some fantastic work in 30 years. I won't be playing the same worlds smallest violin for my son when he reaches my age. He will know and use these technologies that generations before him were too lazy to push out.

Why have I found out that a simple solar hydrogen storage system could have been built and put on the market decades ago, probably by your generation, for the price of a gaming console and yet the system is no where to be found? Unless you have 10-30K and buy from very limited online sources.

Why have I found reports of kilowatt or even megawatt catalytic hydrogen heaters built for use in the space industry and not a single thought was given to the poor people, you can't even buy a commercial grade hydrogen catalytic heater.

Why am I learning high power density solid oxide fuel cells can be built using parts in the junk yard and will accept any hydrocarbon fuel to produce tons of electrical power much more efficient than a internal combustion engine generator? Instead of a gasoline powered combustion engine getting 20 miles to the gallon. I could have a SOFC electric car using the same gallon of gasoline but getting me an extra 80 miles down the road with little to no pollution lol Your generation could have built the same technology using the same parts that were in the junk yard and all of this technology could have been on the shelf for me to buy and use right now.

Why can I drive up and down the coastline and not see ONE wind turbine generating power? You realize how cheap and easy a compact magnetically levitated wind turbine could be to build. They would smoke the competition in terms of power generation and yet they are no where to be found. Nobody is using them. Try to find one online and your lucky to find one less than 5k. I can build one for less than 500 bucks that produces a few kilowatts of power in low winds easily. Why didn't your generation even work to develop and place conventional alternative energy technologies like that on the market?

Don't patronize me with your "knowledge" unless its given in a positive way to encourage further development of these technologies. You old guys act as if you know it all and done it all but obviously never done a damn thing to push alternative energy into the market place.

Any idiot can see every industry of our modern world has seen a quantum leap in technological advancement and yet the energy industry is still stuck in the stone age. I'm using the same automobile technology and means of powering it as your father used but I have a super computer in my pocket that he could not even have imagined at my age.

In my opinion your report was a really low ball way of trying to tell us we are wasting our time because Mr. Industrial Engineer has been there and done that already. lol give me a break. Most of you guys are very out of touch with the reality of things. You got an extra 30 years on me, you had plenty of time to push some of these technologies out and refine them. Instead you done NOTHING but allowed the energy cartels to control your life and destiny. Not me, I will bend over no more.

Your report provided us with little to no information on the process and the end product I am trying to develop. Which by the way, still no one has been able to show me evidence on one ever built and tested.

Its not even just about the heating as I keep telling people. cheap and easy purification of H2 is possible using this effect. We can junk out cats and hard drives to make really powerful fuel cells that can power something larger than a cell phone lol.

In short, do not act as if you have done the work because you are a super fly Industrial Engineering O.G. and the case is closed!lol. Obviously you didn't do anything worthwhile because ain't a damn thing changed but the rent. Thanks for your input but I know our government has been using and developing all these technologies way before you were even thought about and none of it ever made it to market. The reason behind that ain't got anything to do with inefficiencies, expense to develop, or impracticality.

[jdcproducts]

Hey Guys,

I plan to build this unit because I believe in its potential. I think at this point everyone is speculating on what will happen or what is happening. In the next month I am sure we will see more builds.

I think we can all agree on the fact that we are seeing a reaction with the setup. Its just a matter of seeing how far we can push it.



-Altrez

And I encourage you to do so. Its a really interesting effect that can be used for all sorts of things other than heating. We can push it further than any of us think possible. The problem has always been a population not ready and unwilling to push it that far. I think the generation right now has the knowledge and wits to do it.

The United States Government is the primary reason the market hasn't seen a flood of alternative energy technologies on a global scale. Until one of us figures out a way to build it with junk and tell everyone else, they are going to continue ignoring us and stealing our money to develop even more fantastic technologies which most people cannot even begin to comprehend. This was really my first post in this forum. I usually stay away from these forums because they all seem to be full of mostly "Talkers" and no "Do'ers". So much theoretical hype and no tangible useful technologies to be found. Not to say there aren't some highly qualified experimenters here but not much meat on the bone as far as technologies with some real energy densities that can be cheaply and easily built using junk or off the shelf parts.

For the most part if you want to get some leds to flash and a small battery to charge, these forums provide a wealth of information. I'm interested in all forms of energy technologies but when it comes to homebrew generating, storing, and using Hydrogen. You are out of luck with most of these forums.
I posted this information because I thought it was simple, significant and relevant. Through my own experiments it has some vast potentials. Don't let anyone tell you the effect is useless and has been done before. I would have never said anything to anyone if I was able to find really good information and experiments. I even searched for this effect on nearly all of the top rated alternative energy forums and not a soul was talking about it. Its been swept away from the public eye for a reason. Nobody is going to persuade my opinion otherwise. Thanks again for your interest.