HHO Gas Injected Into A Catalytic Converter Yields Extreme Heat! LENR? We Don't Know

[altrez]

And I encourage you to do so. Its a really interesting effect that can be used for all sorts of things other than heating. We can push it further than any of us think possible. The problem has always been a population not ready and unwilling to push it that far. I think the generation right now has the knowledge and wits to do it.

The United States Government is the primary reason the market hasn't seen a flood of alternative energy technologies on a global scale. Until one of us figures out a way to build it with junk and tell everyone else, they are going to continue ignoring us and stealing our money to develop even more fantastic technologies which most people cannot even begin to comprehend. This was really my first post in this forum. I usually stay away from these forums because they all seem to be full of mostly "Talkers" and no "Do'ers". So much theoretical hype and no tangible useful technologies to be found. Not to say there aren't some highly qualified experimenters here but not much meat on the bone as far as technologies with some real energy densities that can be cheaply and easily built using junk or off the shelf parts.

For the most part if you want to get some leds to flash and a small battery to charge, these forums provide a wealth of information. I'm interested in all forms of energy technologies but when it comes to homebrew generating, storing, and using Hydrogen. You are out of luck with most of these forums.
I posted this information because I thought it was simple, significant and relevant. Through my own experiments it has some vast potentials. Don't let anyone tell you the effect is useless and has been done before. I would have never said anything to anyone if I was able to find really good information and experiments. I even searched for this effect on nearly all of the top rated alternative energy forums and not a soul was talking about it. Its been swept away from the public eye for a reason. Nobody is going to persuade my opinion otherwise. Thanks again for your interest.

I will see it completed to spec and data log everything plus youtube videos. Its a neat project and I grateful you decided to share it with us.



-Altrez

[Cadman]

Jdcproducts,

I make my living as an industrial design engineer too, and that's worth about 2 cents. In my youth I worked in a factory that built home furnaces and air conditioners. In my opinion, if the converter can produce 900 + degrees on 200 watts worth of hho then that is a winner. No other proof needed!

The furnaces I used to build are extremely simple. They are basically just a heat exchanger consisting of a half dozen flattened sheet steel tubes (about 18-20 GA mild steel) pinched near the lower end to slow down the air heated by combustion so the tubes can absorb the heat. The gas/air mix is distributed through burners which are really just small diameter tubes with a row of small holes in them. These burners are located directly below the heat exchanger, one burner per exchanger tube. The heat exchanger tubes are mounted in a frame at top and bottom to separate the combustion air from room air. Outside of the exchanger is a cheap thermal switch to shut off the gas valve if the tubes get too hot. Another thermal switch turns the blower on and off. These switches are off-the-shelf items. A blower blows intake air over the heat exchanger tubes and out to the house. All joints between the exchanger and the room air are sealed with thin fiberglass insulation, and the whole thing is held together with #8 and #10 hex head sheet metal screws.
Put it all in a light weight steel case with some thin foil covered fiberglass insulation on the inside of it, add some simple circuitry and you have a furnace.

It wouldn't take much to substitute a steel tube with a length of catalyst in the bottom of it to take the place of the burner tubes and exchanger tubes.

Some food for thought. Might be useful to someone.

Regards

[Gdez]

junk

"I ain't got no fortune to spend so you don't have to worry about that with me. This prototype is built out of free junk and I am having a blast brainstorming and experimenting. I think the concept is cool as a polar bears toenails. I will probably be the only person in my town and maybe even the state that has a flameless hho catalytic heater. That alone is enough for me to move forward. Nobody else has one lol."

I have to buy certain things for my projects. But for the most part, almost everything I use is slated for the garbage. It's incredible what is considered junk. If i only had the room, I would have a warehouse full of stuff.

I just dug out an old 7 plate cell that I built years ago, and I'm getting a cat soon.
Good stuff jcb,
Gdez

[RAMSET]

Justin
Why are you blaming folks that live in another country for you Grandmas problems in the USA?
hows a guy in Spain Mike Nunnerley [a country that bought into Solar power lock, stock and barrel] have anything to do with your problems in the USA?

I think you are alienating total strangers for no reason whatsoever.
Not good, not good at all.

Too much anger flying at all the wrong folks.

Regarding your elec heater that ""only makes 200 degrees with 1500 watts""

take the 30 feet of resistive wire in that heater and snip off 1 inch and run 10 watts thru it ,.....
it will run your laser thermometer to default [overtemp no read] white hot ...not red hot.

in your catalytic heater you are looking at a quarter sized target making 1000F with 200 watts [your latest comment].

do the test Justin....................

thx
Chet
PS
I will leave you alone now ,my offer to help with the testing still stands.

[citfta]

Chet what is your problem man? He has already told you several times he will do the test when he feels he is ready. Why are you hounding him? If the test is so important to you then why don't you do it yourself? I would like to see some testing too so I already am looking for a cat and think I have a source for some. I also already have a HHO cell to use with it. When I get everything together I will do my own tests and see what we get. I for one am very appreciative that JDC even cared enough to share this info with us. I don't see any reason to continue to harass him about some test to satisfy your desire for information.

Respectfully, Carroll

[RAMSET]

Citfta

I offered to get in my car and drive down to NC USA to help with this test.
I do not sit ldly by making demands.

as I stated in the post before yours, I am not asking anymore ,let peeps go out and spend their time and money as they see fit.
just be careful ..Justin Plays with this all the time ,a novice can get seriously hurt here.





Respectfully
Chet K

[altrez]

Citfta

I offered to get in my car and drive down to NC USA to help with this test.
I do not sit ldly by making demands.

as I stated in the post before yours, I am not asking anymore ,let peeps go out and spend their time and money as they see fit.
just be careful ..Justin Plays with this all the time ,a novice can get seriously hurt here.





Respectfully
Chet K

Chet,

Can you please give some safety advise to us HHO newbies. I have made HHO in the past but have never fed it into something like this.

Thank you!



-Altrez

[jdcproducts]

Justin
Why are you blaming folks that live in another country for you Grandmas problems in the USA?
hows a guy in Spain Mike Nunnerley [a country that bought into Solar power lock, stock and barrel] have anything to do with your problems in the USA?

I think you are alienating total strangers for no reason whatsoever.
Not good, not good at all.

Too much anger flying at all the wrong folks.

Regarding your elec heater that ""only makes 200 degrees with 1500 watts""

take the 30 feet of resistive wire in that heater and snip off 1 inch and run 10 watts thru it ,.....
it will run your laser thermometer to default [overtemp no read] white hot ...not red hot.

in your catalytic heater you are looking at a quarter sized target making 1000F with 200 watts [your latest comment].

do the test Justin....................

thx
Chet

You really misinterpreted what I said. I said THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS THE SOLE REASON NOBODY ON THE PLANET USES ANY OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES.

This isn't about solar and wind. Those technologies are crutches which have also seen really no grand advancement in terms of efficiency or implementation over the years, but that is a different story.

You stated on the phone about going to go look or knowing someone else that was going to go review some "anti-gravity" technology lol

The United States spends more on military defense than all the other modern countries in the world COMBINED. Trillions upon trillions upon trillions of dollars.

Where is all that money coming from? US the taxpayers and other smaller countries they have infiltrated and stolen from.

What are they doing with all that money since most of the people within the country are broke and living in really terrible living conditions considering our country is supposed to be the military super power of the world?

I know what they are doing with that money and it isn't just building multi-million dollar tomahawk missiles to assassinate an entire village of innocent by standers because they were looking for some terrorist boogie man hiding out in a hole.

Our government spends that money researching and developing very exotic and very expensive technologies not just in the fields of energy generation and utilization but other technologies straight out of star-trek.

They have been doing this since the early 1900's and it was really ramped up back in the days of WWII when our government invited all the Nazi scientists and engineers over here with a free pass as long as they helped the dumb Americans in the development of weapons of mass destruction. Which by the way they dropped on a tiny defenseless Asian country when it should have been the Nazis lol.

Go back in time and read about all the weird stuff being developed back in those days and how they experimented on the population and soldiers. In fact its still being done today. A lot of young soldiers died because our government decided it was a good idea to play a game of biological warfare on their own troops without consent.

Fast-forward to 2014 and consider how far they have advanced. I use DARPA as a reference because a lot of people know who they are. They don't just build stupid little robots. Teleportation and mind transfer technologies is just to name a few of the exotic research and development our Military is involved with.

The Hydrogen technologies are much more powerful than anyone realizes and have also been endlessly been researched and developed for nearly 100 years.
A lot has been figured out and as I keep reiterating, none of it EVER made it to market. Nobody else on the planet is really using Hydrogen based technologies either. Sure everyone is raving about Solar and Wind all across the Globe but big daddy United States ain't giving up the good stuff yet.

The sad part is we as citizens have bought and paid for all of it and never used or seen any of it. Only going through FBI and CIA declassified documents provides any insight to this.

Nobody finds it curious that our means of energy generation hasn't changed in over 100 years? lol Our government spends more money than any other country in the world combined and we are still pumping gas in our cars lol. Its time for everyone to wake up.

Time and time in my research I have to go up against people with an even nastier outlook and attitude than me that basically tell me my research is old news, nothing to it, inefficient. They usually provide me with their credentials, age, and supporting data to back up their claims.

As I read all this data I realize it really has nothing to do with what I'm trying to accomplish and just like my main mans report earlier, its like 1 page of theoretical numbers. Somehow I'm supposed to accept that as the final say. lol. yeah right.

Thats about all anyone can provide me with. Poorly engineered corporate reports. And excuse me if I don't feel that some of these people are merely trying to "help". Some of my comments within this thread have been very respectful when the person making the comment isn't attacking the work.

I want to see the video evidence of this stuff if people claim there is nothing to it. Most cannot provide me with that, only a page of numbers which is somehow supposed to prove they are right and I am wrong. Again, most of these energy forums are full of theoretical ideas and no tangible proof to back up the claims. Everybody has an opinion when no one has even touched the technology.

I was involved in customer service and technical support for a while after coming out of the field and I was amazed that 90 percent of the workforce was off the street personnel that had never seen or installed the exact same equipment they were trying to troubleshoot over the phone with customers lol. How can you know something works or doesn't work if you have never seen or used it?

As I keep saying is I am in this to build a catalytic hho heater, not to pinpoint Over Unity. Every report and claim that has been issued in this thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with that effect in its use in home space heating.


How in the world can anyone say there is nothing to the effect when nobody can cough up any data or video on actual on demand catalytic hho heaters? lmao, show me one before sending me some garbage theoretical numbers and some benchtop tests done decades ago.

I am provided with reports and information on tiny one wire reactors and tiny diluted down reactor tubes.

I am not here to make friends. If you make a comment and I don't agree with something. I am going to fire back and tell you why. What I'm finding out is I speak the truth and when I point the finger back at the other side of the fence with the truth, they get upset and angry. Don't tell me that guy earlier was trying to help by posting his one page report. He was trying to insult my intelligence as well as woopy's. I take offense to that and use my words to insult you back. I am pretty good at that.

You also told me earlier that Energy Waste is not marketable and I think I may have struck a nerve when I fired back with absolute proof that we are given junk technologies by the corporations that purposely waste fuel and energy so we have to keep coming back for more of the toxic drugs. Of course energy waste is marketable for them. Certainty not for us, they are bleeding us dry.

I will say it again. The technologies I'm after should have been put on the market decades ago for affordable prices. Nobody in this world is going to tell me its too expensive and inefficient to be of practical use after 100 years of research and development by our government because the fact is they are still building and using the stuff today.

It is a fact that I cannot walk into any store around this country and walk out with even something as simple as a solar hydrogen system, which again I know can be built for less than the price of a gaming console.

All these goons that try to attack the Hydrogen research have also never used or been able to purchase the technology either so they have absolutely no business making assumptions unless they are truly trying to help and encourage further development.

The people of this country should be pissed off at our government and military for "Wasting" all of our money on research which is only being used by a small group of people.

NOOOOOOO don't attack the government. Attack the poor garage engineer exposing all this stuff for what it is. People need to stop lying to their-selves. This is the reality of the world we live in. Prison Planet? Absolutely!

Take the shackles off and realize we have been duped.

Again I am not here to make friends. I am here to spread information which seems to be missing from the public eye. I am not the type of person you want to catch on the wrong side of the curve. I speak my opinions and will attack when provoked. I've made grown men cry and pout because I stood up to their bullying and ignorance. I do will not tolerate anyone anymore trying to smear progress when I realize they really don't know what they are talking about in the first place.

You wanna say I'm alienating people then so be it. I've been alienated my whole life in this country because the stupid citizens keep buying into the propaganda. We keep buying the oil and gasoline. We keep accepting Nuclear Fission. We are not demanding alternatives and it seems the older generation of this country is trying to absolutely discredit new progress and discoveries. They need to stand down because they obviously didn't lead the way for a brighter future for my generation and others to come.

P.S. My grandmother is a sweet lady and her current situation is just one example of many in this country that can't get a break because they keep getting stiffed by the government and energy cartels. We could have torn down those walls decades ago if the citizens of this country would wake up out of their trance and grow a spine. I also do not really care about this so called test. I want a damn on demand hho catalytic heater and I am going to build one since nobody seems to have done it before. I don't care if I shut down my entire city with the current surge it pulls when it fires on. Still waiting for that video evidence and reports lol. You want the efficiency tests done build a hho generator and rip the cat off your gasoline clunker you have sitting in the yard. I am not here to obey orders from anyone else. I do what I want. I will get to it when I get to it, The information has been out for almost a month now and it doesn't look like anyone else has done the tests either. Most people are dumbfounded by it.

Thanks for your raging comments. I like it when it gets a little emotional. Makes me feel like I'm doing something right....

[jdcproducts]

Chet what is your problem man? He has already told you several times he will do the test when he feels he is ready. Why are you hounding him? If the test is so important to you then why don't you do it yourself? I would like to see some testing too so I already am looking for a cat and think I have a source for some. I also already have a HHO cell to use with it. When I get everything together I will do my own tests and see what we get. I for one am very appreciative that JDC even cared enough to share this info with us. I don't see any reason to continue to harass him about some test to satisfy your desire for information.

Respectfully, Carroll

I appreciate you trying to take up for me. I can stand my own ground lol. I can flip switches with my words so I do it whenever possible. When people feel like they are insulted, they react. Most of the feedback again has been very positive and I appreciate everyone that has looked into this information. I have been in the research long enough to know that you cannot please some people no matter how hard you try.

Some people want to feel like they have a superior understanding of something and will attack with cheap shots of negativity to try to discourage further study for the victim or for the newcomers that come along later and read the information. What I'm finding out quickly is that a lot of people that you would think have a firm grip on the technology or information in question, really have been playing everyone else for a fool. They really are playing it by ear and know just enough of the lingo to make others think they know something important.

That is why they say knowledge is power. Without knowledge its easier to be persuaded by someone else. If you don't know yourself, how can you question someone else who claims they have been at it forever and can provide at least a small portion of data that you have never seen before. You open the report and its full of magical numbers and pretty graphs so it must mean the person giving it to you knows something lol.

This research and the egos in it is like a Soap Opera lol. Its sad but true. Thanks again for the encouragement, This information is for the people of the world, not just for me to dabble in. I know the basics of almost all exotic and alternative energy technologies but when It comes to Hydrogen, none of the technology and branches of it have ever been on the market for use by the masses, so how can anyone pass judgement or numbers on paper if they cannot cough up the physical equipment or video of the equipment used in the test. Most people have never had access to some of this stuff so I know when people are giving me the business...I just want to see legitimate work being done with the concept that is all...

[jdcproducts]

Jdcproducts,

I make my living as an industrial design engineer too, and that's worth about 2 cents. In my youth I worked in a factory that built home furnaces and air conditioners. In my opinion, if the converter can produce 900 + degrees on 200 watts worth of hho then that is a winner. No other proof needed!

The furnaces I used to build are extremely simple. They are basically just a heat exchanger consisting of a half dozen flattened sheet steel tubes (about 18-20 GA mild steel) pinched near the lower end to slow down the air heated by combustion so the tubes can absorb the heat. The gas/air mix is distributed through burners which are really just small diameter tubes with a row of small holes in them. These burners are located directly below the heat exchanger, one burner per exchanger tube. The heat exchanger tubes are mounted in a frame at top and bottom to separate the combustion air from room air. Outside of the exchanger is a cheap thermal switch to shut off the gas valve if the tubes get too hot. Another thermal switch turns the blower on and off. These switches are off-the-shelf items. A blower blows intake air over the heat exchanger tubes and out to the house. All joints between the exchanger and the room air are sealed with thin fiberglass insulation, and the whole thing is held together with #8 and #10 hex head sheet metal screws.
Put it all in a light weight steel case with some thin foil covered fiberglass insulation on the inside of it, add some simple circuitry and you have a furnace.

It wouldn't take much to substitute a steel tube with a length of catalyst in the bottom of it to take the place of the burner tubes and exchanger tubes.

Some food for thought. Might be useful to someone.

Regards

This is the type of comments I like to see. Someone using their professional expertise to apply it to the task at hand and offer support. It is amazing how simple some of the furnace and boilers can be. Now if we could only get all of them fired by Hydrogen or HHO we would be in business.

A dedicated forum was setup by a fellow researcher to discuss this effect and its applications more. I was reluctant to join at first but very glad I did. Some of these larger energy forums make it hard for like minded people to find something to focus in on since its flooded with all sorts of things. Anyways one of the individuals in the forum suggested we look at something called a clay pot heater. Really interesting design. A little candle sits underneath a suspended clay pot. Inside the middle of the pot is a bolt and washer array which is used as the primary heat exchanger. The heat from the candle heats up the metal which in turn absorbs into the clay pot to be radiated out into the room. Apprently the little clay pots give off a excellent amount of heat. We were thinking about replacing the candle with a tiny pancake hho generator 50 watts or less in power rating and let gas exhaust up in the same direction as the flame, only the gas is absorbed by a small catalysts substrate the same size as the bolt/washer array. Should work beautifully and about as cheap as your going to get. Should also be much safer than the open flame design. I'm telling you a HHO Catalytic Flower Pot Heater would fly off the shelf lol.

[Sputins]

There’s nothing wrong with being somewhat emotional.

Most of the time I like to experiment with the Tesla / Eric Dollard devices, however prior to getting into those I used to dabble with Joe cells & HHO cells. So I have found this thread and the experimental observations of this catalytic hho heater rather interesting and feel pretty happy about it. - So I’d like to congratulate jdcproducts for sharing his observations and experiments. That’s the whole point of this forum.

I’ll certainly be passing on & sharing this information with the ASTRO group (70+ members) here in South Australia, as many of our members have experimented with HHO and thus already have the basic generators all ready to go. I’m sure some of them will test it out and see for themselves. Hey, you’ve got me wanting to dust of my old HHO generator and see what happens.

Good luck to those who might give it a try, I'm certainly looking forward to seeing the various experimental results.

Sputins.

[Groundloop]

@jdcproducts,

Thank you for providing information about catalyzes and hho.

I have a small electrolyze unit that was built for hho injection
into a car motor. I never installed the unit into my car because of
laws saying no can't do.

Do you know if this sort of units can make approx. a liter of hho gas / minute?
I also did find a local store that sells catalyzes. I did send them an email
asking for data sheets on the catalyzes in the store. Got a answer back that,
gee, we do not know. lol So I requested them to find out from the
manufacturer of the cat. Waiting for answers on what inside the catalyzes.

Do you have safety tips regarding productions of hho?

Thanks,
GL.

[jdcproducts]

Justin
Why are you blaming folks that live in another country for you Grandmas problems in the USA?
hows a guy in Spain Mike Nunnerley [a country that bought into Solar power lock, stock and barrel] have anything to do with your problems in the USA?

I think you are alienating total strangers for no reason whatsoever.
Not good, not good at all.

Too much anger flying at all the wrong folks.

Regarding your elec heater that ""only makes 200 degrees with 1500 watts""

take the 30 feet of resistive wire in that heater and snip off 1 inch and run 10 watts thru it ,.....
it will run your laser thermometer to default [overtemp no read] white hot ...not red hot.

in your catalytic heater you are looking at a quarter sized target making 1000F with 200 watts [your latest comment].

do the test Justin....................

thx
Chet
PS
I will leave you alone now ,my offer to help with the testing still stands.

Any my apologies to the gentleman for assuming he was American. What he posted is something an American would post. Still wasn't useful or positive information in way it was presented. My bad but everything I said applies to people on a global level, not just within the country that is holding everyone else on the planet back.

[altrez]

Will this work for the HHO?

21 Plate HHO Hydrogen Generator SEALED Dry Cell Kit Watch Video | eBay

Thanks!

-Altrez

[jdcproducts]

@jdcproducts,

Thank you for providing information about catalyzes and hho.

I have a small electrolyze unit that was built for hho injection
into a car motor. I never installed the unit into my car because of
laws saying no can't do.

Do you know if this sort of units can make approx. a liter of hho gas / minute?
I also did find a local store that sells catalyzes. I did send them an email
asking for data sheets on the catalyzes in the store. Got a answer back that,
gee, we do not know. lol So I requested them to find out from the
manufacturer of the cat. Waiting for answers on what inside the catalyzes.

Do you have safety tips regarding productions of hho?

Thanks,
GL.

I really can't say for sure without looking at the hho unit. The mason jars with a spiral of wire is about the only design that will not produce much gas. Usually any type of brick cell will be able to handle 50-100 watts easy. Got a picture, link, or video of the cell?

It has been difficult getting manufacturer information on the type and amount of catalyst noble metals (platinum and palladium). I didn't check where your from but around here we can get them out of the junk yard. Don't hard earned spend money on something if you don't have to.

If you are looking to buy something brand new stick with well known name brands and when it comes to the precious metals, realize the cheaper models will probably not have as much of the noble metals as a more expensive one.