HHO Gas Injected Into A Catalytic Converter Yields Extreme Heat! LENR? We Don't Know

[Aaron]

hho and catalytic converter

Someone wrote this back to me when I posted about this thread:

Hi Folks, You need to know that the catalytic action by Palladium & Platinum, has been known for a very long time, & is used in auto exhaust systems to remove unburned, vaporized fuel. These catalysts do this by absorbing the hydrogen from the fuel & combining it with oxygen, thus making H2O. Both Palladium & Platinum have the property of attracting & absorbing vast quantities of H2, & while doing so, the friction of this process causes the catalysts to become red hot! It's worth noting that Platinum reacts with H2, even from cold, vaporized fuels, & becomes hot almost instantly, but Palladium does so at much higher temperatures. Also, please note: both catalysts are not the plain elements, they must be processed into other forms in order to become catalysts! Platinum in this case is Platinum black, & Palladium is processed to a similar structure. Some common uses for these catalysts are: flame-less propane heaters, & Cigaret lighters, pocket hand warmers (Japan)--use anhydrous alcohols. Industry, primarily use other forms & combinations of these & other elements in chemical processes. Find out more at Wikipedia, if need be. P.S. The modern fuel cells use this principle, & they produce: H2O, Heat, & D.C. Electricity.

[Aaron]

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The Stan Meyer related posts have been moved here: http://www.energeticforum.com/water-...ley-meyer.html

[RAMSET]

where'd yah go

Aaron
perhaps some directions for where the other forum is?

when I back out of this page I do not see it or a link to it ?


thx
Chet

[lamare]

Aaron
perhaps some directions for where the other forum is?

when I back out of this page I do not see it or a link to it ?


thx
Chet

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/

[RAMSET]

Lamare

I see now it is under another seperate forum Topic "water fuel" above the renewable energy main page...

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this topic, the 4th state of water
and associated experiments are quite interesting as well as your investigations into possible alternative methods for running an ICE.

Water ceases to amaze .................


thx
Chet

[bhaas]

If it gets that hot then you could run a steam engine.

Correct???

[tony1968]

Sorry for my electrical ignorance. In the below video from hydrofuelincanada. If 100 volts makes that much reaction, what would 50,000 volts do to that water from static electricity? Can static electricity be run to continuously or almost continuously fire off 50k or 10's of k volts? Could something like two Van de Graaff generators be set to fire at different times so static electricity voltage can be a continuous flow?

Meyers Tech For H-Cat ?? - YouTube

This second video caused me to come with the questions above.
continuous static charge detected - YouTube

Happening on to this thread then seeing the ops video and the two posted here just had me imagining a ufo type shape vehicle that sucks air in through the top powered by a battery lets say. The air is compressed inside the chamber while the blade(s) have good static electricity conducting materials that continuously contact with every rotation conducting high voltages. The compressed air having high humidity gets hit by the high voltage static electricity and the water molecules split releasing the hydrogen to a generator which powers the electric prop motors outside the vehicle, while the water is dumped through small holes along with air pressure. Enough hydrogen to also recharge the blade(s) battery.

The vehicle would be made of plastic with double sided graphene coated layers.

Along with water, static electricity seems very magical to me.

Sorry if this sound silly and i'm missing something very elemental.

[RAMSET]

the next level

Wanna make some heat?.....Take it to the next level..........

[Jetijs]

I have also made several small experiments today with hho and catalyst converter. But first I must say thank you to woopy about his videos that inspired me to start working on this.
I have a rather efficient drycell that outputs about 1.5LPM at about 300w of power. The power level and the gas output can be adjusted as needed. The max power can be increased with stronger electrolyte. Today I did not have much time, but the initial tests show several things.
1 the catalyst need to be at some treshold temperature to be able to react with hho and heat up.
2 if there is too much hho gas, the catalyst comb will melt into clumps.
3 if the catalyst is allowed to heat up too much, it will ignite the flame on the hho torch.

I used the whole catalyst converter and 1.5LPM of hho is too much to be used with one nozzle, because of the melting risk. It also heats up an area of about 15x15mm, but the whole catalyst area is way bigger. Instead of using one nozzle rather far away from the catalyst to reduce melting risk, I should divide the gas flow into multiple smaller nozzles placed evenly throughout the whole surface. That would be way more efficient. The air must be mixed with the hho very precise not to cool the catalyst below the treshold temperature and also not to allow the flame to manifest.
What I want to test out now is to drill out a cylinder shape of the catalyst comb and put it into a 32mm diameter copper tube. I will use small amounts of hho mixed air using a regulated aquarium air pump to get the best possible mixing ratios. I will let this mixture flow through the copper pipe. The pipe can be heated externaly using a blowtorch to get the startup treshold temperature. The chalange is then to adjust the gas flow and mixture to maintain the catalyst heated. As for the heat removal, I think about putting that copper pipe into a bigger copper pipe and fill the gap between them with sand to form a kind of heat buffer. So that I could take all the heat off the outer surface using water or whatever, but maintain the inner temperature above the treshold level to maintain the reaction. Having lots of experience with hho and burning/melting stuff with it and seeing todays test results I believe there could be something to it. Catalyst behaves in a very interesting way. Will post more results and pictures tomorrow.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Aaron]

posts moved

Aaron
perhaps some directions for where the other forum is?

when I back out of this page I do not see it or a link to it ?


thx
Chet

Hi Chet,

I see that Lamare answered you.

The Stan Meyer related posts have been moved here: http://www.energeticforum.com/water-...ley-meyer.html

I just moved all the Stan Meyer related posts into a Stanley Meyer thread in the Water Fuel subforum.

[woopy]

Hi all

Hi Jetijs

Very happy that you are on this subject, and thanks for kind words.

Yes your observations seems very similar with mines.

I go on this experiments, and post this video with no pretention, but the reaction of the HHO on the catalyst versus carbonised wood seems to me interesting

CAT to LENR apèroach 7 wmv - YouTube

What do you think?

Laurent

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
Did not have much time today but I did make a quick test.



video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uiRnHnbVM

I use an aquarium pump with 6 outputs. I use only one output for now. The pump power can be adjusted in the range of about 20-100%. The hho output can be adjusted as well. The video clearly shows that the heating effect can be maintained with a correct mixture of gasses, but if the heat increases past a certain pint - auto ignition occurs. Fortunately the air content is high enough for no serious flash back to the bubbler to occur. With pure hho I also get the "sun" but there is a serious risk of melting the comb if I let the hho on one spot too long.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[Xenophanes]

FYI,the cats with highest platinum content are general motors domestic 2004-and up thereabouts.Recyclers pay about $100 apiece and they are a hot item among thieves for this reason.

[Gdez]

quick stupid question for woopy

Was there any difference that you noticed on the wood carbon without the hho flame?
Just curious.
Greg

[woopy]

Hi Jetijs

Very good demo

And yes it is THE problem with this experiment. When the temperature of the comb get high , the flashbacks occures.

I have tried a venturi injector ( the red object i show at the end of my last video ) in order to better mix air and HHO, but noway , the flashback occure as soon as the power of heat increases. So the control of this heating system will be the main thing to work on.

And yes the honeycomb melts when i get the sun light. And the carbonised wood also consumes very fast when the HHO is in direct contact.

So what want we do with this very powerfull but difficult to manage stuff ?? Heating system, or tracking for eventual LENR, or simply getting some more experience and knowledge ? or..

@ JDC

What happens to the hho-cat.hostoi forum. It seems that i cannot read it ?

@Gdez

Hi Greg, can you precise your question please.

good luck at all

Laurent