Looking for some input on this build

[Ruphus]

I have an idea for a generator that combines a few other designs.

Mainly the SEG and Faraday's



Plus this coil configuration "The Angus Effect" - YouTube

I am not sure if it would work as I vision. I have attached a rough drawing.

I don't believe that the rotating mag rotors will induce a field in the u-bolts since the magnetic field never "leaves" the bolt, however the field will be rotating so it may? I shouldn't be able to get a current in the copper plate since the drag will be used to rotate the magnets, however, since the rotor is traveling in a circle the outer magnets must rotate faster than the inner, so a current may be able to be induced?

I am in the process of a move and have a baby on the way, so I don't have time to throw this together for a bit. I would appreciate some input on this good or bad.

todd gen.jpg

[dmann]

I posted this on another thread tonight but I will also post it here for you. This may be a early Searl design before he jumped into the more intricate ring design. I don't believe that it will demonstrate control so be careful if you try to replicate. It is believed that this is the design that broke free from the motor shaft and took off into the air. You will have to figure out some variables for this design namely the materials used. The description is vague but it seems to be simple and fairly inexpensive.

[Ruphus]

thanks for the response

Dmann I havent seen this do you have a link for more info? My plan is to rotate the u bolt rotor arms not the plate. I am hoping the drag from the mag rotors across the plate will be enough to spin the magnet rotor around the ubolt arm
Also I hope there will still be enough drag to indice a current in the copper plate.

[Matthew Jones]

You have to spin the copper in orientation to the magnet to induce current. You can though spin both the magnet and the copper with each other and get current. Look "N-Machine" For details. Thats the only method or a farady wheel I know of to reduce drag and produce current.

Matt

[wrtner]

You have to spin the copper in orientation to the magnet to induce current. You can though spin both the magnet and the copper with each other and get current. Look "N-Machine" For details. Thats the only method or a farady wheel I know of to reduce drag and produce current.

Matt

I vaguely recall something about the fact that when you spin a magnet, the field does not spin. It stays still. It was relating to DePlama, Tewari etc.

Is this so?

[Matthew Jones]

I vaguely recall something about the fact that when you spin a magnet, the field does not spin. It stays still. It was relating to DePlama, Tewari etc.

Is this so?

The field of the magnet is orientated to the mass of the magnet. So it spins when the magnet spins.

But just spinning the magnet in front of the copper causes no interaction on the copper surface. You have to spin the copper so it interacts with the magnet. Thats Lenz Law.

In the N-machine stuff you can spin both the copper and the magnet and the environment then causes an interaction in the copper that forces current at very low voltage. Both are just spinning in space so there is no mechanism for drag.

Matt

[Ruphus]

Thank you for the needed input.

I don't understand the difference in the Faraday generator and what I have as far as magnet configuration. There is a north field on the top and a south on the bottom simulating a horseshoe mag. What is the difference in spinning the plate vs moving the magnet around it, I think I'm missing something? The magnets are mounted so the are able to spin around the u-bolts. They would spin due to the drag created by sweeping the magnets near the copper plate. This is the action I am not sure would allow for a build up in charge in the plate. I wold like to think there would be some spin and some drag since it is traveling in a curve and the magnets are unable to make independent revolutions.

Found some threads on N-machine, I will read up, first glance it looks like a homopolar.

Thanks

[Matthew Jones]

I don't understand the difference in the Faraday generator and what I have as far as magnet configuration. There is a north field on the top and a south on the bottom simulating a horseshoe mag. What is the difference in spinning the plate vs moving the magnet around it, I think I'm missing something? The magnets are mounted so the are able to spin around the u-bolts. They would spin due to the drag created by sweeping the magnets near the copper plate. This is the action I am not sure would allow for a build up in charge in the plate. I wold like to think there would be some spin and some drag since it is traveling in a curve and the magnets are unable to make independent revolutions.

Found some threads on N-machine, I will read up, first glance it looks like a homopolar.

Thanks

You have to spin the disc to pick up the power.

The N-machine spin the magnet and the disc.

Matt

[dmann]

The article was from 1991, posted in the Electric Spacecraft Journal. This publication was out of Asheville, North Carolina. It appeared to be a timeline of Searl's work starting in the late 50's. At one time the article was posted on one of the Searl websites. I'm not sure if it is still there. Here is another excerpt. It describes a stationary disc with a rotating outer ring.

[Matthew Jones]

You posted that thing up top of this thread. Your spamming MAN!!!

Matt

[Ruphus]

spinning the magnets

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzmHGmA...%3DbzmHGmAqMJc

Hope the link works I'm on my phone. It shows magnets spinning to heat a copper pipe. It does take high rpms which would be difficult to achieve but if possible it may work.

[Matthew Jones]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bzmHGmA...%3DbzmHGmAqMJc

Hope the link works I'm on my phone. It shows magnets spinning to heat a copper pipe. It does take high rpms which would be difficult to achieve but if possible it may work.

You'll make alot heat but you will not be able to get the electric power off the disc.
You go ahead and try, let you learn yourself.

Matt

[Ruphus]

heat is energy

What I am asking Is what about spinning the plate makes the energy harvestable but keeping it stationary traps the energy in the plate and only makes heat? I truely appreciate your thoughts.

[dmann]

not spamming jones. fig 1 of the article top.. fig 2 of the article below. I agree with you. I think you will get more out of the spinning disc like in figure 1

[Ruphus]

Found this on induction

http://www.distinti.com/docs/papersF...s/KellyFa3.pdf

The field rotates with the magnet as Jones stated, which is what I thought. But as to why rotating a magnet on a homopolar doesn't work see their conclusion:

Conclusions
The lines of force rotate with a magnet upon its North-South axis. The emf, that is produced in a nearby circuit by a magnet, is caused by the cutting of the circuit by the lines of force of that magnet. It is not produced unless there is cutting of the circuit by those lines of force; additionally the cutting must be in one direction (net), or be by unequal force lines, if cut in two directions (net). The Faraday Generator phenomenon is caused by the cutting of the stationary circuit by the lines of force of the magnet, as the magnet rotates. It has previously been supposed that the magnet is cutting its own lines of force. When a disc is set rotating near the pole of the magnet, the results are anomalous. The results are fully explained as being due to involvement of only a portion of the whole circuit. 'Faraday's Law' of electromagnetic induction is true only in particular circumstances. As is known, a separate analysis is required for Motional Electromotive Force. One single general rule is missing. This paper provides the basis for such a general rule.

If I read this correct, they feel that the field must cut in one direction and rotating the magnet instead of the plate makes is cut an even amount of times so net work is 0.