Looking for some input on this build

[dmann]

Look under the sub-forum Bedini. There is a subject " Bedini/ Cejka: Time Ends...." There is some great material in there. Get the Cejka files. Farmhand put up a link to the file. In those files, you will find the Ecklin Generator. Both the coils and the magnets are stationary, but the disc rotates and is said to give some serious COP. I have plans to start a disc type generator in the near future. I have not had a chance to review all of the files yet but there appears to be some good stuff in it.

Doug

[Matthew Jones]

http://www.distinti.com/docs/papersF...s/KellyFa3.pdf

The field rotates with the magnet as Jones stated, which is what I thought. But as to why rotating a magnet on a homopolar doesn't work see their conclusion:

Conclusions
The lines of force rotate with a magnet upon its North-South axis. The emf, that is produced in a nearby circuit by a magnet, is caused by the cutting of the circuit by the lines of force of that magnet. It is not produced unless there is cutting of the circuit by those lines of force; additionally the cutting must be in one direction (net), or be by unequal force lines, if cut in two directions (net). The Faraday Generator phenomenon is caused by the cutting of the stationary circuit by the lines of force of the magnet, as the magnet rotates. It has previously been supposed that the magnet is cutting its own lines of force. When a disc is set rotating near the pole of the magnet, the results are anomalous. The results are fully explained as being due to involvement of only a portion of the whole circuit. 'Faraday's Law' of electromagnetic induction is true only in particular circumstances. As is known, a separate analysis is required for Motional Electromotive Force. One single general rule is missing. This paper provides the basis for such a general rule.

If I read this correct, they feel that the field must cut in one direction and rotating the magnet instead of the plate makes is cut an even amount of times so net work is 0.

See that how you do it, you go find the answer. Now the same set rules will tell you why an N-Machine works. If you look you'll find that too.

Look under the sub-forum Bedini. There is a subject " Bedini/ Cejka: Time Ends...." There is some great material in there. Get the Cejka files. Farmhand put up a link to the file. In those files, you will find the Ecklin Generator. Both the coils and the magnets are stationary, but the disc rotates and is said to give some serious COP. I have plans to start a disc type generator in the near future. I have not had a chance to review all of the files yet but there appears to be some good stuff in it.

Doug

Feel free to see for yourself but I built 2 Ecklin-Brown style gens and neither exceeded a cop of 1. The only thing that might improve it is to be able to forge the seperation metal on curve. So where the magnet would enter the iron of the coil then the plate interrupts, the plate would then curve the fields 90 degrees out of the way. This does not happen with flat stock metal so you end up with a coil in full saturation then interrupted but still the fields penetrate so you don't get enough flux movement in the core to produce a high amount of current.

Matt

[Duncan]

We seem to be crossing in our endeavours you and I Rufus, .you'll see just after you opened your thread I was inspired to quote it and in turn write this post

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post249217

I now see you consider magnetic heating I was just a day or so ahead of you in those thoughts . And posted on on a much smaller forum as I was really just poking the idea with a sharp stick, still you might also like to take a look at what I wrote in that regard , As it shows what is probably a better way than you indicate .

Brain storm

I'm obviously busy with my own concepts but there might be something to inspire
Best wishes Duncan

[Ruphus]

a laminated plate

Thank you all for the helpful information
Matt you seem to have made a few machines
Have you ever tried sheet metal laminates as a plate? I'm looking to cut costs of a thick plate of copper. Perhaps even alternative the metal types?

[Matthew Jones]

No you have to use NON Ferrous Metals, copper being the best, but stainless won't work. Aluminum might but for any amount power it has a lot of resistance unlike copper.
Now you can use copper clad Bronze as you really only need surface area but the clading will have to be a certain thickness and I am not sure what that is.

I built my first one with a heat sink that I milled into disc. Alot the big metal PC heat sinks are tin clad copper, so you can grind off the tin. Now that might only leave you with about 2-4 inch disc about 3/8 inch think but for recycled part you can get an idea of what your looking at.

Also Lowes and Home depot and stored like that often sell copper plated in the drawers with hardware. They are usually 1/16th of an inch and they can be stacked to make a disc 1/4 inch thick or something. At the same time you can buy brush's for a rotozip or dremel in either store, they work real good for the pick ups. They are 1/4 inch thick and spring loaded. You just need to case them way in pipe or something so you can mount them.

Matt

[Duncan]

just a thought but what about a copper bottomed sauce pan or frying pan and then give it hacking ?

[Matthew Jones]

If you can find one that Aluminum or Bronze/ Brass. Most of them are ferrous metal now for induction stoves. They just put copper on them for looks.

Matt

[Ruphus]

Yeah sheet copper and aluminum from lowes was my thinking. I can see the wifes face when she catches me halfway through her pot with the sawsall! I believe it would be too hazardous to my health. Good thought though, might find one at the thrift store to try.

[Beamgate]

I recently acquired some nice Copper mixing bowls (used are fine) on Ebay. It offers a fair amount of flexibiilty in reshaping to meet your needs.

Baking supply shops also carry copper cookie cutter forms which can also be recast for other uses.

Again, Spin the Copper (avoiding diamagnetic Aluminum), not the magnet, and study the Torsion field effects when you do !

[Ruphus]

I will see what I can find tomorrow for a mock up of the general principals involved in the build.

[dmann]

I think this iron based superconductor material would make for an interesting disc generator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron-based-superconductor Here is a device that was posted on David Ick's site in 2007.

[Ruphus]

plutonium for the delorean

I need to do some very basic testing first Dmann but I'm sure that would work well.

I checked on the cejka files. Couldn't download them. But if it had to do with the timeline in the warehouse, I'm not sure I need it.

[dmann]

I can understand basic in the beginning. I just want to make the point that you may not want to exclude the idea of ferrous materials totally. I believe I read somewhere that ferrous materials in a centripetal design would be more likely release electrons to the outer collectors (ring or coils). It would not be so hard to make a cast out of cement or plaster. Maybe use copper and mix in some iron, neodymium, and boron powder.

I was talking to a guy the other day who learned how to make molds in high school for simple auto parts. You could also make your own sheet stock material and have someone machine the parts that you desire.

[Ruphus]

Ahh I see

Well if the "angus effect" does free up some energy I will be able to generate some power from the ferrous u-bolts if I can get the rotors spinning. Damn snow! I need some playtime to mock it up.