Steele Braden Generator

[Siggi1974]

Dxf file

Alvaro,

can you perhaps upload a dxf-file? I would like to mill them with my cnc.

Best regards
Siggi

[Turion]

From Steele

Hi Tishatang,
I also have experimented with many “weird” capacitor configurations.
I have for years, been attempting to design a solid state variable capacitor.
Using these, instead of my rotating disc capacitors in my alternator, would be the ideal set-up.
So far, I have not come up with anything satisfactory.
At one stage, I made up a capacitor consisting of 6 inch by 6 inch square plates of shim steel separated by thin mylar sheets.
An electromagnet placed above centre was to be fed AC.
Thus the steel plates of the capacitor stack would be alternately squeezed together, then relaxed, producing the capacitance swing required.
However, I immediately found that the plates were having to force out air from between each plate, rather like a piano accordion – requiring much energy just wasted as an air pump.
So the next thing I did, was to place the assembly in a large acrylic sealable cylinder which I evacuated all the air out of.
NOW, I thought I would have it!.
NO! It still threw another spanner in the works.
The voltage on the plates causes electrostatic attraction, so all the plates just clung together and would not relax apart.
Back to the drawing board.

Another method I made up, although still with rotating rotors (half moon) shape, consisted of anodised coated 18 gauge aluminium rotors in an aluminium tank filled with sodium hydroxide solution.
This was to provide much larger (electrolytic) type capacitance swing.
The rotors were rotated in and out of the solution 180 degrees out of step with each other.
I thought that only slow speed would be required as the capacitance swing is so much greater than air type rotary caps.
I had to put a cover over the tank to catch the splashed electrolyte from going everywhere.
However, I still found that many rotors would be needed for the job, as only a few revs per second max. was possible with all the splashing going on.
So this turned out to be impractical also!

Another “weird” capacitor stack I made up, consisted of the following.
Top plate copper foil 100 mm square, next, mylar sheet, next, aluminium foil, next, mylar, next copper, etc.
A stack of 50 plates.
I placed on top of the stack in the centre, a laminated iron core with coil on it – 6 inches high x 1 inch square cross-section.
At an appropriate frequency, there is a voltage which occurs between the top copper foil and the bottom aluminium foil of up to 200 volts!!
No electrical connection was made between any of the intermediate plates.
Just why or how this occurs, I don’t know!!
I was under the impression that there was no effect from magnetism on electrostatic charges, but here we seem to be having just that!?
All suggestions welcome.
Anyway, this must be considered as only a novelty, as the output wattage is somewhat less than the input wattage to the coil.

[interdesign21]

Siggi
I think we are in different time zone
yes I can upload it as dxf
I understand that in case of cnc the router bit has a diam. (in mm) that "eats" a line width,
therefore the rotor and stator will be slightly different in size.
Anyway, if you want to mill them from separate sheets for each it should be OK.

To adapt it to your needs I should know the following:
-external dimension of stator
-shaft diameter (unless you want to make the shaft hole with your drill apart)

The one made by Dave I think is 30x30 cm stator.

And after your answer I´ll need a day or so to post it here.

regards
Alvaro

[Tishatang]

@Turion for Steele

I would not call your last experiment a novelty, but a discovery. It seems to me your coil on top is stressing the near field.

If the freq is below 20K hz, then it probably is magnetic? If the freq is above 20 K hz, then most likely the effect is RF energy as in radio transmission. If either case is true, then you would have overunity if you placed a similar stack next to it. It would then collect the same energy with no extra input. If this works, then you could surround the energized stack with as many passive stacks as practical. Should be easily overunity?? I don't think would feedback to the source as a load?

Just my thoughts as an idea.

Chris

[Cadman]

Hi Dave,

Very interesting topic and build you have here. This generator is a design, with a few differences, that has been on my project list for quite some time. There was a generator patented around 1966 that is almost a duplicate of this one. If I can find the patent I'll post a link to it later if you are interested. That patent, with 8 petals, mentioned an edge clearance between the rotor and stator petals as being important. If you overlaid the rotor onto the stator with the rotor petals centered over the open spaces of the stator, you would see a clear area between the metal edges.

Judging from your drawings it looks as though your rotor petals are the exact same size as the stator cut outs. I was wondering if an edge clearance between the two was ever investigated by Steele in this design? Or was it only applicable to that older design?

Regards

[Siggi1974]

Hi Alvaro,
Thank you for your offer. I can also scale up and add my shaft diameter.
So no problem. I would go for a 1mm router bit.

Thanks again and best regards
Siggi

[interdesign21]

hi Siggi

here are the 3 files link:

Simple File Sharing and Storage.
Simple File Sharing and Storage.
Simple File Sharing and Storage.

you may download them anytime
I changed the central shaft hole line for a center cross in both stator and rotor.
hope it works for you.

regards

Alvaro

[Turion]

Cadman,
I don't know the answer to that. We'll both have to wait for Steele's response.

Dave

[Siggi1974]

Alvaro,

thank you very much. I want to combine my already very efficient Bedini setup using 90 degree rotated bifilar coils with this electrostatic generating concept...Maybe we can get rid of Lenz this way...However I have some work to do here and will post my results as soon as I have something.

Warmest regards
Siggi

[Turion]

From Steele

Cadman

Regarding clearances.
In my machine, both the stator petals and the rotor petals need to be the same width.
This would apply whether you had 8 petals or any other number.
When one rotary capacitor is fully “unmeshed” (minimum capacitance), you will see that the petals of the rotor exactly line up with and fill the “window” of no petals on the stator.
Other clearances.
The closer the rotors can be to the stators, the better, as this provides the greatest capacitance swing.
Bear in mind that you still have to have the 2mm thick acrylic cover plate on the stators to prevent arc-over.
With the least amount of wobble possible in mounting the rotors, it is possible to have the rotors quite close to the stator cover plates without actually “scrubbing” the cover plates.
Arc-over distances.
The high voltage in the machine requires that special attention needs to be taken to avoid arc-over.
It is essential that a minimum of 33mm distance is provided between all metal parts of the stators to the metal parts of the rotors.
This also includes distances measured AROUND CORNERS !!
This high voltage can “track” much further across surfaces, than directly through the air.
I have found this 33mm distance the “hard way”, having to rebuild the prototype to extend to this safety limit.

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Tishatang,
I also have experimented with many “weird” capacitor configurations.
I have for years, been attempting to design a solid state variable capacitor.....

Solid state Steele Braden Generator, among other things.

Cheers
Matt

[Turion]

From Steele

Hi Mathew,
Thankyou for your very interesting circuit.
Can you also provide a written summary on how it works please.
As I mentioned in earlier correspondence, I have been looking for a method of providing solid state variable capacitors.
This would eliminate the need for my rotary capacitors as presently used in my electrostatic alternator.
Having no moving parts and a large swing in capacitance, would allow a much lower and practical voltage to be used but with high wattage.
This would make for a very practical machine with “heaps” of output.
If for instance, we could get a swing of 50uf at 300 volts, 50 Hz, this would be a very “respectable” wattage!
One obvious proviso for this solid state variable capacitor, is that its control wattage must be a very small ratio fraction of the wattage swing being provided by the capacitors ideally.
Even if the control wattage was 20% of the wattage being transferred back and forth between both capacitors, this would still be a very viable circuit!
This would also be a much more compact system for the amount of output obtainable, whereas, my machine unfortunately has to be rather bulky for a practical amount of output.
So, as you can see, the way is wide open for this major breakthrough.
Let’s work on it together and provide the ultimate free energy power supply.

[Turion]

From Steele

Tishatang

If you have further interest in my "odd" capacitor stack, here is a photograph of it.
I used the windings of an "off the shelf" 20 VA transformer.
The original 220 volts input winding is not used.
The secondary is zero, 12 volts, 24 volts.
I fed the signal into the 12 volt winding.
It was square wave (pulsed DC) I think around 30 Kcs. 12 volts.
Whether the coil is low on the iron lamination core or half way up, doesn't make any difference to the output.
Also whether or not the lams. are directly in contact with the top copper foil makes no difference to the output.
I used 1mm thick hard white polystyrene as the dielectric spacers, but a far more efficient set-up would be to use thin film mylar, as this brings the copper and aluminium foil plates into much closer proximity.
When the best frequency is found, the output voltage from the top copper foil to the bottom aluminium foil was around 200 volts.
No electrical connections are made to the intermediate plates.
These are left "floating".
Again, I have to say that how or why this works, I have no idea!
I just think very much "outside the box" on occasions.
Sometimes it pays off.
Now you have the photograph of the set-up, you will see how the electromagnetic pulses are fed into the stack.
You made a suggestion that several such stacks may be able to be employed, providing much more total output/s, without probably loading the input coil.
The only problem with this concept, is how to spread and make coupling to other stacks magnetically.
I suppose a flat square "x" laminated steel sheet could be laid on the centre stack and 4 extra stacks could be placed under the arms of the extending "x" ..
You will see that the top of the iron lamination column goes straight up to the "air".
This may also have some bearing on the operation - interacting with the environmental energy?
However, I still can't get to understand how magnetism has any effect on electrostatics, but here we see exactly this going on!

[Joit]

My first guess about that is, as i read it the first time, that the magentic field create eddy currents at the Metal. It charges one plate and you get plus at one side and minus at the backside from a plate. The Frequency seems is a resonance point on the Metal. If this thing would be efficient, you could mabye have a powersource without the so called lenz efffect.

[Tishatang]

@For Steele

The photo helps, thanks. No need to worry about how to couple physically. The magnetic or RF energy is already in the near field. Think of the Iron core inductor as the transmitter and the cap stack as the receiver. The energy is in the field and the receiver picks it up when tuned.

A radio transmitter is not affected by how many receivers are tuned in, the input power remains the same. I know of at least two knowledgeable sources
that say the same for magnetic field coupling, does not reflect back to the source.

I think you have electrical RF effect rather than magnetic. If magnetic, a quick check might be to move a strong neo magnet around close by as it is running to see if any change in output across stack. I think the primary coil is going into self resonance at 30K hz. This is probably creating a standing wave measuring 200 v across the distance of the stack? The peak of the wave might be further away than the length of the stack? Adding more plates to the stack would capacitor couple everything together. Once the max voltage of the standing wave is reached, further length would show reduction of voltage.

You can measure standing wave with a neon bulb across a pickup coil. It should glow brighter as you move it further away from the inductor coil. Maybe it will get brighter past the end plate of the stack? If so, then there is more voltage to be tapped by making the stack longer.

I am surprised that laminated core is going to 30 K. Must be a superior product? One way to determine if self res is at 30K is to measure the inductance and the capacitance of the coil mounted on the core at 30K input.
Old fashioned bridge instruments allow you to do this. Most other meters use a 1 K Hz oscillator. These old instruments allow external freq to measure cap and inductance at any freq. Here is one example:

Universal Bridge TF2700 Equipment Marconi Instruments

Once you have true capacitance of the inductor at 30K and measured inductance at 30K, simple math will show cap needed to resonate at 30 K. If the calculate and the measures are the same, then that answers the question, the coil is going into self resonance. At resonance the voltage will rise times the Q of the circuit. The large diameter primary winding will give high Q because less resistance. Q in iron core inductors typically maybe around 17. 12 volts in times 17 Q equals 204 volts. The fact that the measured 200 volts comes close to what might be expected, tells me you are in self resonant mode.

The trick now is can you build a second stack and capture that energy will no reflection back to source? My intuition says, move the inductor to center of the core. Place the second stack at 90 degree angle to first. For example: The inductor is the center of clock face with adjoining stack at 6 o'clock position. Place second stack at 3 o'clock position. If nothing try parallel or even one vertical and one horizontal.

Just my ideas, hope they help.
Chris