Analysis of the WITTS Generator

[Ajnabii]

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@JohnnBlade,

@Ajnabii,


The coil looks like the QEG exciter coil in Testing ACMMJB TPU ECD QEG Added an extra pickup exciter coil - YouTube

By the way, have you considered the experiment on self-excited generator which I referred to in the image below?

We need to find the values for L and C.



I believe the value of L should be the same as the total inductance for the generator coil, but we need to get our hands on a self-excited generator, one that doesn't have any stator magnets in it.

In other words, the inductive value of L should be the same as the total of all of the generator coils' inductive values.

I will try to figure out a simulation of the circuit. This is what I have now, and it doesn't work, but I have a working resonant circuit next to it.

Run Simulation

Also,

If you look at this video by the Austrian, he has an exciter on his work bench.

Please take a moment to check out this video.



YouTube Video: Analysis of the WITTS Generator - YouTube

@Joit,

I hope you will give us a translation of what he is saying.

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VIDBID

Dear VIDBID i am agree with you yes this is the exciter on his work bench you are right 100%

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Refinement (Exciters)

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[Ajnabii]

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dear it's mean it's working fine with the exciter can you add these all things in one diagram with the complete value of everything ?

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Dual Exciters on Series Resonant Circuit

Concept



Apologies. Simulation was way too busy and wouldn't copy.

Scope is showing voltage across the load.

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dear it's mean it's working fine with the exciter can you add these all things in one diagram with the complete value of everything ?

Ajnabii,

Right.

..was in prototyping mode. Just brainstorming.

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[Stephen Brown]

From Johnn Blades QEG critics forum

Peter Lindemann
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Liberty Lake, Washington
Posts: 1,104
Been There, Done That....
Hey Folks,

Here is an email I have sent to a number of people asking me about the QEG.

Thank you for your email. The QEG plans show a simple, switched reluctance generator powered by an external electric motor. (page 7) This has nothing to do with Tesla!!! This exact design was first proposed by John Ecklin in 1979. I was a member of a group of researchers in Santa Barbara who built and tested many variations of this class of generator through the 1980s. These machines are generally called "switched reluctance generators" or more correctly "variable inductance generators."

If you put a capacitor in series with the input, as shown, the unit will "self-excite" if there is a slight amount of magnetism in the rotor or stator material. There are specific speeds where the electrical output power goes up due to the resonance event, but during these episodes, the requirement of mechanical energy input goes up as well. If you just meter the voltage and the amperage, it looks really good, but it's mostly reactive power as the volts and amps are out of phase.

If the output removes magnetic energy from the core, then there is less to circulate in the resonant tank (LC circuit) created by the input coils and the capacitor bank. The system has a specific number of joules of energy (real power) circulating in the magnetic core and any real energy removed is produced by the reversal of the field in the output coils by the rotor shifting position. Rotation of the rotor produces the mechanical shifting of the magnetic fields and reinforces the currents oscillating in the input coils. One of the patent filings I produced back then was titled "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" and covered a design similar to this in many ways. The best tests we produced with our prototypes had a COP = 1.2 (120% efficient). The people involved in the Santa Barbara group included myself, Mike Knox, Bruce DePalma, Chris Carson, and later Eric Dollard. In a parallel development, John Bedini duplicated much of the same series of experiments and concluded the same thing! The best the machines could do was about 120%. All of this happened before the internet, and since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.

Knowing what I know about this class of machine, I do not believe anyone is going to build one of these in their backyard and power their home with it. We spent over $30k building and $50k testing prototypes of these machines between 1981 and 1987. This is not going to go where you think it is going.

I stand by what I said in the newsletter. An "open source" project based on these ideas will not go anywhere. In fact, this was all "open sourced" in the 1980s by John Ecklin. Look here at these links, taken from the archive at Rex Research: John W Ecklin -- Stationary armature generator -- US Patent 3879633, US Patent 4567407, 12 articles
and here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg

In the image of the article "ecklin1", John Ecklin is suggesting 400% efficiency was possible, but it never was experimentally demonstrated. In the image of the article "ecklin8", the design of the machine on the left shows the same structure as the one in the QEG plans. The drawing on the right is from my patent filing, first reported on by Paul Brown in 1981. Both Paul and I knew John Ecklin.

Sorry, but I am trying to help people understand that this has been looked at, in depth, over 30 years ago, and it doesn't work well enough to produce a self-running machine.

I have no knowledge of the "Fix the World" group or their motives for putting these plans together, but it is my belief that this sort of machine is not perfected yet, and should not be "open sourced" to a community of enthusiastic people who do not have the machine shop skills or the sophisticated electrical engineering and mathematical background to understand the significant subtleties of a variable inductance machine.

That about covers it!

Best regards,
Peter
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Peter Lindemann
Senior Member
*
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Liberty Lake, Washington
Posts: 1,104
Been There, Done That....
Hey Folks,

Here is an email I have sent to a number of people asking me about the QEG.

Thank you for your email. The QEG plans show a simple, switched reluctance generator powered by an external electric motor. (page 7) This has nothing to do with Tesla!!! This exact design was first proposed by John Ecklin in 1979. I was a member of a group of researchers in Santa Barbara who built and tested many variations of this class of generator through the 1980s. These machines are generally called "switched reluctance generators" or more correctly "variable inductance generators."

If you put a capacitor in series with the input, as shown, the unit will "self-excite" if there is a slight amount of magnetism in the rotor or stator material. There are specific speeds where the electrical output power goes up due to the resonance event, but during these episodes, the requirement of mechanical energy input goes up as well. If you just meter the voltage and the amperage, it looks really good, but it's mostly reactive power as the volts and amps are out of phase.

If the output removes magnetic energy from the core, then there is less to circulate in the resonant tank (LC circuit) created by the input coils and the capacitor bank. The system has a specific number of joules of energy (real power) circulating in the magnetic core and any real energy removed is produced by the reversal of the field in the output coils by the rotor shifting position. Rotation of the rotor produces the mechanical shifting of the magnetic fields and reinforces the currents oscillating in the input coils. One of the patent filings I produced back then was titled "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" and covered a design similar to this in many ways. The best tests we produced with our prototypes had a COP = 1.2 (120% efficient). The people involved in the Santa Barbara group included myself, Mike Knox, Bruce DePalma, Chris Carson, and later Eric Dollard. In a parallel development, John Bedini duplicated much of the same series of experiments and concluded the same thing! The best the machines could do was about 120%. All of this happened before the internet, and since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.

Knowing what I know about this class of machine, I do not believe anyone is going to build one of these in their backyard and power their home with it. We spent over $30k building and $50k testing prototypes of these machines between 1981 and 1987. This is not going to go where you think it is going.

I stand by what I said in the newsletter. An "open source" project based on these ideas will not go anywhere. In fact, this was all "open sourced" in the 1980s by John Ecklin. Look here at these links, taken from the archive at Rex Research: John W Ecklin -- Stationary armature generator -- US Patent 3879633, US Patent 4567407, 12 articles
and here:
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg

In the image of the article "ecklin1", John Ecklin is suggesting 400% efficiency was possible, but it never was experimentally demonstrated. In the image of the article "ecklin8", the design of the machine on the left shows the same structure as the one in the QEG plans. The drawing on the right is from my patent filing, first reported on by Paul Brown in 1981. Both Paul and I knew John Ecklin.

Sorry, but I am trying to help people understand that this has been looked at, in depth, over 30 years ago, and it doesn't work well enough to produce a self-running machine.

I have no knowledge of the "Fix the World" group or their motives for putting these plans together, but it is my belief that this sort of machine is not perfected yet, and should not be "open sourced" to a community of enthusiastic people who do not have the machine shop skills or the sophisticated electrical engineering and mathematical background to understand the significant subtleties of a variable inductance machine.

That about covers it!

Best regards,
Peter
__________________
Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

Open System Thermodynamics Perpetual Motion Reality Electric Motor Secrets
Battery Secrets Magnet Secrets Tesla's Radiant Energy Real Rain Making
Bedini SG: The Complete Beginners Handbook Advanced Motor Secrets

Thanks, Stephen, for sharing that post by Peter Lindemann!

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John Ecklin QEG



Interesting.

Let's look at this concept some more.

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[JohnnBlade]

There was something i saw in the Taiwain video of the witts/qen that when the guy was tuning for resonance, that the lights went on, but that behavior i have seen before in my device, But only when i charge caps first, then release a switch, the lights go on brightly, then stay at the level that can be supplied.

So how come that guy, was tuning and no switch was pulled to on the lights, but they went on instantly into resonance, and resonance wil show already at a wide range from the fundamental frequency, a few khz of playgound to meet resonance, cause if no switch is puled and its already on, the light would first light up slowly then brighter and brighter, but here is for me clearly a switch being pulled that i have not heard about.

( not important, but if you look good in the Taiwan vid, before resonance go on, you will see a few guys on the left, looking at the background to see whats going on, and then resonance hits ) like caps are being loaded, switch is pulled, lights go up brightly, then come down, and that is normal, and then the guy fine tunes)


Greets JB,

Ps, im kinda getting more curious in the freq range of 1mhz to 15mhz, ima build test transmitter and receiver and see what it does.

But a flyback not hooked up to the circuit, can push yr device into the high voltage resonance, while outputting its normal amps, but the high voltage mixes a bit with it. A bit of dc, with ac high current flava.

[JohnnBlade]

Once its running you could do away with the motor, since its self "exciting" the motor would only waist energy, once the device is in self resonance and locks on. And if the coils burn through, then add a spark gab and adjust it.

Without motor this device is just like a xtal radio, classic tank as we seen it.
If the back flash isn't guided to go some where to do work, then the device turns into an electro magnet and waisting energy on that to, but it will magnetize the core if they like it or not. And then the drag kicks in.

If or may the exciter be the high voltage source to be mixed with the few dc amps, then the device has a choice, use load that feels good on high voltage, or use load with amps and no voltage. Or a load that uses half of amps, mixed with half of voltage)

Maybe this sounds wrong, but i have seen behaviour of high voltage and 330 amps, so in my sake i cant count on V x A is watts, no, cause most of the time for me, i have high voltage and amps, but!, 330mA is translated to somany volts, and not volts times mA is somany watts, no, you take half the voltage, and half the amps and that the watts out ( and that my way of seeing it when using output energy) its like a scale, use volts or amps, but you cant multiplie them and get watts out, unless you like to have zero amps, and high voltage out, or no voltage, but max amps out, or "again" meet both half way to do work.


Just sharing

Greets JB