The Simplest Perpetual Motion Machine Ever?

[soundiceuk]

Hi Wayne, sorry the build didn't work out. Practicle experiments are the easiest way to learn for me apart from watching videos.

The two different weight idea I have can probably be seen best in my new video.

GravInert Group Prototype 3 Stage 1 - YouTube

There is currently no draft to let the energy flow through.

Changing the flywheel weight will take advantage of compressing energy into time and create a draft.

Just remember when you open two windows or doors and all of a sudden nature takes over. First you need to encourage the energy in.

Like syphoning liquid too, or taking the plug out of the bath.

How to turn Time into Energy - YouTube

The heavier the flywheel, the more capacity it has to store the energy from the pendulum whilst it is levering.


It is very silimar to your child on a swing analogy.

The next push doesn't have to be bigger to maintain the swing, it just needs to be the same and at the right time.

Using a full disc flywheel, the right time is anytime, so if the weights are right it will just accelerate.


The best bit about this concept is high RPM is easily kept in balance.


I believe Bessler used the two swinging pendulums and the hammers to stop his device cascading, a way of altering the timing.

For a genuine perpetual motion machine to work it has to cascade.

Surely if it is not accelerating, it cannot work?

I think the servo idea will work very well, it could be electric, hydraulic or pneumatic.

The pendulum needs to be external of the wheel really. The is no need for two flywheels, just one very heavy one.

I'm not sure if anyone gets the idea of having the motor fixed to the frame and also the pendulum.

When the motor is on it levers the pendulum. When the motor is off it freewheels.

Seems like it would use the pendulum as a lever to amplify the input from the motor.

Would you agree this changes the reference frame completely?

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

I think I've got a little too carried away with this new idea.

I can see now that unless something swings the pendulum back and forth, the pendulum will come to a rest.

Oh well, back to the drawing board!

Best regards,

Paul

[wayne.ct]

Frame of reference

I am still thinking about the frame of reference idea. But further thought will have to wait for now. I'll pick it up again later.

[soundiceuk]

Hi folks, I am of the belief that perpetual motion is possible with no input.

I also believe the amplification can be greatly enhanced by using an input.


Wayne, after pondering you servo idea I think I have come up with something that will be simpler to build.



The axle on the top of the disc would locate into a pendulum which would be external of the frame.

The end of the pendulum would feature a hole with a bearing pressed in. The bearing is to allow for fairly frictionless contact.


The motor could be used in 3 modes. I'm not 100% which one would be most effective as they all seem to take advantage of leverage, centrifugal force, gravity and a one way bearing.

1. High RPM - creating a 360 degree lever

2. Switched on and off to make the pendulum do most of the work

3. Switched forward and reverse to make the pendulum be driven both ways and still do most of the work.


Also for your consideration Charlie aka purelyprimitives has a self runner. I have no reason to doubt his words. If the device was running itself, there is no input / output argument.

Eccentric Mass Generator - YouTube

When cranking the speed up over 300RPMS he broke his crankshaft.


I got the new idea for the 360 degree pendulum / lever driver from Wayne's servo suggestion crossed with looking how Charlie's Eccentric Mass Generator is gaining a mechanical / centrifugal force advantage.

It also resembles Matt Jones' "Bouncer" slightly.


What I see it the crankshaft offset is a lever to the main flywheel.

The up and down movement to rotate the crankshaft may not be necessary, but it works in Charlie's and Matt's designs.

This got me thinking maybe the up and down movement isn't necessary and what we are really after is a 360 degree lever that takes advantage of centrifugal / centripetal force.

If not a simply motorised pendulum taking advantage of gravity and centrifugal force pumping a flywheel at resonance could get very interesting.

Just a few ideas to throw into the pot.

I haven't given up looking for power with no input though.

Any thoughts welcome.

Best regards,

Paul

[john_g]

Hi Paul, I have Pm'd you.

Regards

John

[I_Like_Science]

Hey soundiceuk,

So I want to make sure I understand you. You are suggesting a motor to induce further swinging of your pendulum to keep the flywheel turning?

If so, you will end up with the same problem as the no motor situation, but exacerbated with inefficiencies of the motor. Essentially, you cannot overcome the parasitic loss of friction.

To put and equation to it

Energy out = Energy in - Friction losses - Motor Losses

Both the losses happen as heat build up.

I haven't given up looking for power with no input though.

Paul

Honestly, good luck. I'd love to have you prove me wrong.