The Simplest Perpetual Motion Machine Ever?

[Stephen Brown]

At what price?

Paul,
Really, Free Energy before your birthday?
Hey, count me in.

Honestly, I think the only way Chalkalis or anyone else is going to convince people regarding the truth of overunity is to hook up a common energy output device, a water pump or electrical generator and show this.

Chalkalis says he doesn't have one? And that his understanding of electrical is poor.....
But he was able to rig up 2 motors to run those two wheels that push his flywheel over the top?

My intuition and his math both say that his machine will develop maybe 5kw or more over what it takes to run those little wheels at the top.....

That makes me think....
If I had a machine in my basement, today, and knowing what I know and what I have heard about many of my heros. Might I do the same thing?

Because once you hook it up, let's face it, that is crossing the Rubicon.

Will you hook it up on camera? Or might you start building them for others, quietly. Or put out a PDF "How To"

Is Chalkalis being possessive of his work. From my point of view this misses the bigger picture. He says he is doing this for humanity, for the children and yet he says that others are appropriating his work.
I can't fault him because I don't yet have a machine like his in my basement.
When I do, I will be forced to choose what road to take.

The other question is,
"Will free energy change the structure of our current paradigm. Or do we have to change the structure of our current paradigm first, to make room for free energy.
Just imagining how it might all happen.
Stephen

[wayne.ct]

It seems reasonable to me

Hi Paul,

The creative juices are flowing and I think you have every chance of success with your new project. I think you will find the Lindemann video will be a key to your success. I don't really think your description of what you have in mind is clear enough to really put everything in its right place. But, you will have plenty of examples to work from. History is full of them. The mechanism that connects the pendulum to the flywheel will have to be a little more complicated that merely a one-direction slip bearing. It needs to be offset from the main axle and be synchronized to the main rotation by mechanical or some other means. One way would be to use mechanical resonance or an electrical switching system. I am not working on that particular angle myself, but would like to be involved on the sidelines if you would like to hear my suggestions. Send me a PM or just post more details here in the open forum.

[soundiceuk]

Paul,
Really, Free Energy before your birthday?
Hey, count me in.

I can't help but feeling very close. Just not enough mass on the passive flywheels.

Honestly, I think the only way Chalkalis or anyone else is going to convince people regarding the truth of overunity is to hook up a common energy output device, a water pump or electrical generator and show this.

I see two problems with the Chalkalis device.

1. The speed at which the weights turn. Would put a lot of replicators off building. Also scare the public, which provide a route to media brainwashing.

2. It requires an input motor.

I truly believe the key to flipping this paradigm is to prove perpetual motion is real in the simplest way to replicate.

Once peoples minds have been set free the more exotic technologies can find there way out.

Chalkalis says he doesn't have one? And that his understanding of electrical is poor.....
But he was able to rig up 2 motors to run those two wheels that push his flywheel over the top?

I'm sure he is aware of the dangers which is why it is presented in its current form.

My intuition and his math both say that his machine will develop maybe 5kw or more over what it takes to run those little wheels at the top.....

That makes me think....
If I had a machine in my basement, today, and knowing what I know and what I have heard about many of my heros. Might I do the same thing?

Because once you hook it up, let's face it, that is crossing the Rubicon.

Will you hook it up on camera? Or might you start building them for others, quietly. Or put out a PDF "How To"

This is why I think replicatable perpetual motion is the way forward.

I'm sure the veterans here realised long ago that having any form of prime mover always raises alarm bells when it comes to input / output figures.


All I want to show is something turning on its own from a little push being able to turn a grind wheel and make some sparks whilst sustaining rotation.

I think that would prove it works.

Is Chalkalis being possessive of his work. From my point of view this misses the bigger picture. He says he is doing this for humanity, for the children and yet he says that others are appropriating his work.
I can't fault him because I don't yet have a machine like his in my basement.
When I do, I will be forced to choose what road to take.

This question runs around in my head too. This is why I'm constantly sharing what I'm doing with as many good people as possible. Plenty of others to run with the batton.

The other question is,
"Will free energy change the structure of our current paradigm. Or do we have to change the structure of our current paradigm first, to make room for free energy.
Just imagining how it might all happen.

I believe that until replicators / mechanical engineers and general public know and accept the truth we remain in the current paradigm.

With a good video, CAD drawings and social media this could happen very quickly.

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

The creative juices are flowing and I think you have every chance of success with your new project.

Hi Wayne, I'm glad the ideas get the creative juices flowing. I'm loving all the positivity, thank you!

I wouldn't have got this far so fast without all the input I receive from multiple people, on multiple forums. As well as engineering companies / mechanical engineers I visit and share with.

I think you will find the Lindemann video will be a key to your success.

I am looking forward to delving into Peter's and Jim Murray's research. Just not had the money to buy any products. I'm interested in the perpetual motion machine that was apparently given to the King of England in 1605.

Having served in the Royal Navy, it is quite clear to me exactly how much control they have over the world, whilst the media paints a picture that the sun shines out of their rear ends!

I don't really think your description of what you have in mind is clear enough to really put everything in its right place. But, you will have plenty of examples to work from. History is full of them.

I may not have described my ideas very well and perhaps I should illustrate my ideas.

The one that is floating around a lot involves a pendulum, one way bearing and two fixed neo magnets.

The pendulum would be attached to the main shaft and have one of the magnets fixed to it.

The other magnet would repel the pendulum so it freewheels backwards. When it swings back it will lever the wheel.

Really simple idea really. This could be enhanced using a double ended pendulum and more magnets.

Anything that doesn't involve a motor is the way forward for me.

The mechanism that connects the pendulum to the flywheel will have to be a little more complicated that merely a one-direction slip bearing. It needs to be offset from the main axle and be synchronized to the main rotation by mechanical or some other means.

Please can you explain your reasoning for this. Also what does the pendulum you have in mind look like and where would it be situated?

One way would be to use mechanical resonance or an electrical switching system. I am not working on that particular angle myself, but would like to be involved on the sidelines if you would like to hear my suggestions. Send me a PM or just post more details here in the open forum.

I do think mechanical resonance is important. I see it not happening yet because of the mass of the passive flywheels is too little.

The current rule I have been following, is increasing the mass of each component 50x from the previous to look for anomalies.

The passive flywheels will probably be next.

If two 0.8kg can yield 29 1/2 turns, what will 50x times do?

I cannot get that much weight into this frame. I can get around 36kg in though, so that will do for now.

I may even go for 2 x 6 kg just to see the difference first.

I'm waiting for a quote and currently I'm pretty broke.

I am considering a crowd funder, but instead of having a big target, there would be lots of small targets so that people pay to see progress quickly.

I'll hang in here until the men in black slap me with a gag order!

I appreciate the offer of help foreground or background.

What I really want to do is come up with a control system that will allow a machine to run at a constant speed to enable 240v or 110v @ 50hz or 60hz.

I feel a motor would be needed on the input side though, so keeping away from that idea for now and thinking about car / wind alternator and DC output straight into an inverter.

Direct power is where I am shooting for, no batteries or capacitors to raise the skeptics eyebrows.

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

My current thoughts:

I currently believe that at the moment the passive flywheels 0.8kg do not possess enough mass to make the device reach equilibrium, which I see as running just enough to sustain itself, just to overcome the friction of the main shaft bearings and air resistance.

Would you agree that figure is COP 2.0 ?


Ok, would you agree that at the moment the device for a short period possesses enough torque to turn an alternator and produce power for a limited window?

Ok, now would you agree that with the inertia it has when it starts moving, that it wouldn't be hard to wind a crank on the main shaft and produce power because of the assistance of the swinging pendulums?

I feel it amplifies torque in my hands.

With my left hand I push the device once every rotation. With my right arm I cannot stop the main shaft whatsoever. I would snap my arm if it was fixed to it!

I definitely don't recommend putting any spokes in your wheels. Just do them solid with at least chamfered edges if not rounded and painted if you can.

Don' t make your internal swinging pendulums so close to the wheel as me. I've had a few close calls.

Also the best advice to anyone building one of these is use a left hand thread and a right hand thread on the stainless steel pendulum axles.

I didn't, and the axles gets tighter one side and looser the other. It won't undo though. It makes a clink noise everytime it manages to undo itself.

If you use left hand thread one side and right hand thread the other, you can use Vaseline or grease instead, so you get the bolts undone if you need to move it.

Also using marine grade stainless 316 if you are looking for making axles for keeps. Everything else can be mild steel and painted / powder coated.

Alternators, pure sine wave inverters, bearings, hubs, pulleys, gears, belts, tensioners.... all off the shelf.

This is a big kids catalogue for the ultimate open source free mechanical energy meccano set!

All made possible by a collaboration of peoples inventions, skills, ideas and knowledge.

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

What I'm trying to say is:

The passive flywheel acts as a capacitor.

It currently has a micro henry capacitance and it needs replacing with a Farad.

[Turion]

soundiceuk,

After waiting for several days to see where this is going, I can't help but comment again. I have seen Matt Jones' design here:
Bouncer2.MPG - YouTube
And I have seen a much larger unit anchored to the floor of the garage with bolts. It produced so much torque when running that it pulled the bolts out of the cement floor.

His original thread on EF is here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ed-hybrid.html

I doubt you will see any updates from Matt, but I know this continues to be a project in development with him, and as you can see from the video, he uses a small pulse motor (one coil) running on a circuit I happen to KNOW draws power from one battery while charging the second battery, so uses virtually NO power, to run the thing. Which means all energy produced is for you to use.

These mechanical advantage projects CAN and DO work. Best of luck. We will be watching.

[soundiceuk]

Hi Dave, I have been following Matt's thread and I'm fascinated.

Again this is using another simple principle which is similar to Chalkalis in a way.

In England, houses are less likely to have basements or spare rooms, which only leaves gardens or lofts for energy machines.

The Chalkalis and the Matt Jones "Bouncer" would create fear that they might punch a hole in the roof and kill someone. Not to mention the vibration through the house would be extremely expensive to contain.

I believe a slower rotating device with high torque would stand more chance of becoming a viable energy solution compared to solar or wind.

I think the bouncer is brilliant and I can see it's potential.

It seems like it needs more components that what I'm working with.

I also see ferris wheel size versions of what I am doing and they seem far safer.

Anything large with a high RPM is going to need finite element analysis study to make sure it isn't going to fracture the metal and damage property / hurt / kill someone or an animal.

As you know, even small versions of these devices are dangerous.

Matt's circuit / pulse motor would probably work well for this device.

I just want to see it run with no input.

No one can argue input / output figures then.

Bessler's wheel was apparently slow RPM, high torque. This is what I am chasing.

Good luck to you also.

TPTB ain't going to know where to turn soon because these devices are going to start appearing in schools and colleges around the world.

Try and put a lid on that one!

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

Just added another 4 zinc plated mild steel triangles to the top of the frame.

Now does 32 1/2 rotations.

So since I upgraded the pillow block bearings adding 12 triangles has gained 6 1/2 rotations.

Still room for another 16 triangles.

I only need Ł60 for materials for a steel frame. A local engineering company has offered me all sorts of free help, including welding a box section frame up.

I'll see what the flex is like with another 16 triangles first. It currently holds my weight 75kg without flexing the wood.

Just waiting on a few quotes for bits before I decide which direction to go in.

Best regards,

Paul

[wayne.ct]

I see you have already made some advances

I really like your goals. Power out with no power input is like way out on the fringe. But it gave me an idea and I can't get rid of it. In fact, I completely disassembled one contraption that I made just to free up the parts for a new construction. I have started to build and I think it shows some good possibilities. Thanks for sparking my imagination.

[soundiceuk]

Hi Wayne, I'm glad to have inspired you that you have got stuck in. We are all feeding off each other.

Even Tesla was feeding off previous work.

That is what is great about forums like this one and others.


I too have been doing something similar this evening.

I need to hammer something though and it's too noisy, so I will have to wait.

Can't wait to see the results though!



Like a few other folks on this forum. I know people who have COP >1.0 devices that are beyond the comprehension of the average man or woman.

T.H. Moray had a device with no prime mover. His "Swedish Stone" used atomic energy though and his Moray valve was the key / diode to the dam of cosmic energy, ions.


In the device I present, a mechanical method, it is the one way bearing that allows environmental energy to be tapped and is the key to this dam of energy.

In Chalkalis it is the motor pulsing the pendulum one way that allows environmental energy to be tapped.

In Matt Jones 'Bouncer' it is again the pendulum being pulsed one way that allows environmental energy to be tapped. The spring amplifies the effects positively.

The working versions all use resonance, a beat / frequency and just like any engine it can be fine tuned and modified for greater performance up until the physical limitations of the properties of the materials available on the planet are reached.

Of course corporations are not interested in reaching this goal because they would be out of business if they made the best products possible. They would last a lifetime.

BUT

We can do exactly the opposite and work out all the kinks in an open source fashion.

The worlds problems could quite easily be sorted.

Step 1. Wake people up.
Step 2. How?
Step 3. Perpetual motion.
Step 4. Get to Step 3 first.


Can't wait to see what you come up with Wayne

Best regards,

Paul

[soundiceuk]

Hi folks, I've just completed a few experiments with my new idea.

The results are interesting enough to spend more money on it.

I think the power is going to be unlocked by using flywheels which are heavier than the pendulum.

I predict the RPM of this thing is going to be nuts. The pendulum does pump the flywheel as predicted but looses momentum because of the mismatch of masses.

The mainshaft bearings I have are good for 7500rpm.

It is much, much safer to build and stop than the other prototype.

I feel a lot happier working on a bigger version of this.

The other one was going to become a two person job to assemble if I beefed it up much more.


I also still think this is what Bessler was doing. Maybe with stops to stop the pendulum over rotating.

This could be what the noises reported by alleged witnesses were.

Video will follow ASAP.

Best regards,

Paul

[wayne.ct]

Cheers!

I'm glad to hear you had good results for your efforts. I'm am looking forward to seeing your video. I hope to do the same even though my design is quite different.

[soundiceuk]

Hi Wayne, thank you for the support. I've been trying to get folks interested in this research for a while and I'm glad to have been the spark of inspiration to build something real instead of maths and laws why it won't work.

How long do you think it will take to build yours?


I thought you all might find this interesting.

I remembered something I learnt from John E. Moray.

His Father T. H. Moray said that his circuit creates a draft for the energy to flow.

This is like opening two windows in your home when it is windy. The energy creates its own pathway it is encouraged in by natures diode.

The keys to making this work is by having two separate weights.

I see these two weights to be the same as in the two windows analogy. They become natures diode because of inertial characteristics of the two harmoniously moving parts on the center axle.

The one that we want to move the fastest should be the heaviest.

This is the 'prime mover' after one spin as it has more go than the other weight and both components move harmoniously together constantly assisting each other.

This is looking like it is going to be nuts!!!!!!

I'm actually scared to show what it can do if I modify it.

We should consider a mass launch date to prove perpetual motion can and does exist.

Heres the next thought.

What would happen if you were to mount a motor on the end of the pendulum, so you could add to the leverage at the right spot!

The pendulum, which is now a lever but still with freewheel could be fixed horizontally and pulsed by the motor.

The speed at which you could spin this using resonance.

This design has less balance issues and will be able to obtain a high safe rpm.


When motor is switched on it is a lever. When switched off it freewheels.

Does that sound crazy?

Best regards,

Paul

[wayne.ct]

Milkovic

Veljko Milković - Home Page - Zvanična prezentacija istraživača i pronalazača Veljka Milkovića

Hi Paul,

To just give you an idea of where my mind is at, I had in mind the work of Milkovic when I read your first post of this thread. When you plot the force on the pivot point of a pendulum, the force is not a constant. It is maximum at the bottom of the swing and zero at either extreme when the bob changes direction. This is so obvious from swinging in a swing as a child that except in a first-year physics class it is practically never mentioned.

Milkovic uses this to great advantage in his most famous examples. His videos are quite easy to find. Only some are featured on his website.

I should probably take the time and analyze his machines in detail, but I have not done this yet. At the moment I have a more general concept of what he is doing. He has a second component with a relatively large mass on a pivot. It is not clear exactly where the center of gravity is but if the CG is below the pivot this would constitute a SECOND PENDULUM. From your notes, I see that you have two masses. Are you also considering having two pendulums? Bessler's device has two pendulums.

I finished my build a few hours ago and it did not behave the way I expected. I am considering whether I want to continue it with a further variation.

Back to the physics of pendulums. At the bottom of the swing the pendulum is moving the fastest. This is when the chain drive attached to the ratchet catches up with the flywheel and gives the flywheel a kick. You understand that this just when the flywheel is already moving, etc. The bigger the flywheel to longer it will take to get the flywheel up to speed, etc. Anyway, in my imagination a little servo on the pendulum flicks back and forth when the pendulum changes direction like a child on a swing. Small motion, big effect. The only real challenge is magnifying the effect to suit your purpose. Power the servo with a little DC generator attached to your flywheel and you are good to go!