Vidbid Generator

[vidbid]

Based on Bruce DePalma's Sunburst Generator, I give you the Freedom Generator, Mark II.



Enjoy.

Regards,

Vidbid

PS: Thanks to Peter. I don't want Brian getting Bruce's credit.

PSS: I'm changing the name of the generator to the Freedom Generator.

[Berg]

J Naudin on DePalma

JLN Labs - Faraday Homopolar Disc Generator

Doc ref : "On the possibility of extraction of electrical energy directly from space" by: Bruce DePalma

Berg

[Peter Lindemann]

Never Tried

Based on Bruce DePalma's Sunburst Generator, I give you the Vidbid Generator.



Enjoy.

Regards,

Vidbid

Dear Vidbid,

I worked with Bruce DePalma from 1982 until his death in 1997. To the best of my knowledge, the design you are proposing has never been tried. The "homopolar" magnetic arrangement is a very unusual case. Only about 1 in 10 experiments we tried produced the results we expected. Michael Knox and I were able to produce a direct AC output from two brushes on the shaft using a disc with permanent magnets on it. (Due to financial constraints, no follow-up work was ever attempted.) The point is, unexpected things are possible, even if improbable.

To my knowledge, no set up ever worked with multiple sections connected in series to produce higher DC voltages. DePalma prototyped several of these and they all failed. Even when Tewari put two discs in series to pull power from two perimeter brushes, the machine demonstrated the classical drag characteristics of an standard generator.

Your idea is original and should be tried. Have you built a model to see if it produces series additive voltages in the windings and current without drag? If so, I would be very interested in hearing about it!!!

VERY INTERESTING!!!!!

Peter

PS. Brian DePalma is a Hollywood Director, and Bruce's younger brother. I recommend you remove his name from your drawing.

[Stephen Brown]

Working Model?

Vidbid,
I couldn't stop thinking about this design.
Any tests?
Does it work?
I think I will try it out small and see.....
Stephen

[vidbid]

Dear Vidbid,

I worked with Bruce DePalma from 1982 until his death in 1997. To the best of my knowledge, the design you are proposing has never been tried. The "homopolar" magnetic arrangement is a very unusual case. Only about 1 in 10 experiments we tried produced the results we expected. Michael Knox and I were able to produce a direct AC output from two brushes on the shaft using a disc with permanent magnets on it. (Due to financial constraints, no follow-up work was ever attempted.) The point is, unexpected things are possible, even if improbable.

To my knowledge, no set up ever worked with multiple sections connected in series to produce higher DC voltages. DePalma prototyped several of these and they all failed. Even when Tewari put two discs in series to pull power from two perimeter brushes, the machine demonstrated the classical drag characteristics of an standard generator.

Your idea is original and should be tried. Have you built a model to see if it produces series additive voltages in the windings and current without drag? If so, I would be very interested in hearing about it!!!

VERY INTERESTING!!!!!

Peter

PS. Brian DePalma is a Hollywood Director, and Bruce's younger brother. I recommend you remove his name from your drawing.

Thank you, Peter.

It is an honor.

To my knowledge, it has never been done. This design is based on my ideas derived from Bruce DePalma's work.

It is my gift to mankind.

Regards,

Vidbid

PS: No back drag. See DePalma N-machine 17/18 - YouTube

[vidbid]

Thanks

Vidbid,
I couldn't stop thinking about this design.
Any tests?
Does it work?
I think I will try it out small and see.....
Stephen

Thank you. I've had the idea for a while but thought that if something were to happen to me, that the idea would be lost forever, so I decided to share it with you all. The design is based on a thought experiment, and based on Bruce DePalma's work or ideas, and it is my gift to all mankind. It is public domain now and forever. Use it well, and use it for good.

Regards,

Vidbid

[artoj]

Not Functional

Hi Vidbid
The arrangement that you have shown does not function, refer to an old diagram in my files, when I was studying the Homopolar Generator, back when Bruce DePalmer was still alive. (I redrew to clarify), double check my logic.Regards Arto.

[Ufopolitics]

Based on Bruce DePalma's Sunburst Generator, I give you the Vidbid Generator.



Enjoy.

Regards,

Vidbid

Hello Vidbid!

I am very glad you have opened this Thread about the "N-Machine" plus your concept on developing a different structure...Fascinating Fields!

I want to thank you for leaving that message on my YT Channel...it triggered... you have no idea, how many strings that I have been following/developing up to now.

I see You are incorporating a Winding, instead of a solid, thick copper disc as the Inductor...wise idea.

When I was reviewing DePalma, Tewari and Trombly Patents...I did not understand why they did not try "leaving the Faraday original design" into a more clever Machine.

With all respect, I see all this N-Machines as a "Glorified" Faraday Disc/Magnet structure. Meaning, thicker Discs, More Discs...heavier magnetic fields...but still same approach.

My opinion on Your Design...

According to Faraday and many other experiments conducted from there on...the CYLINDRICAL Magnet rotating gave its HIGHER output, exactly, at Equator Imaginary Line...or Outer center of gravity from magnet embodiment...We all know that the Negative end would always be attached to CENTER AXIS.

Based on this, I believe Your approach, Vidbid is excellent and innovative, related to the winding type and structure...BUT, related to the Magnetic Field disposition is wrong...why?...because an almost flat toroidal magnet volume, besides having a very limited/narrow equator space...you are setting the copper NOT in this area...but in its outer poles ends. It may produce some electrical flow-if they do not cancel each others- but never like both copper sides being located/sandwiched in between either Two Toroid Magnets...or a longer cylindrical magnet.

I believe - If You agree of course!- We could expand this Thread into a great replication site...where we test all different approaches/possibilities, including different types of windings...and I thought about that Toroidal Winding, same as you have here...where V=Radius of Toroid...while wire gauge will deliver amperage values...but what about a "Diametrically Wound"?...I believe then V=Diameter of Winding...

But there is more about this...Faraday came to other conclusions after testing this magnet rotation...Our Planet Earth...as a huge Magnet...rotating, therefore producing its own electricity...and concentrated where?...Yes, "somewhere" around the Equator...

Anyways, want to thank you again for this thread...awesome!



Kind Regards


Ufopolitics

[vidbid]

The Need for Experimentation

Hi Arto,

Thanks for posting to this thread, and thanks for pointing this out to me.

I wonder why is a connector on the outside of the n-machine disc?

I suppose that because it has to be.

With my design, I don't need the connector on the outside of a disc.

I just need my connectors on both terminals of the wire that makes up the toroid.

But you have a very good point.




Regards,

Vidbid

[vidbid]

Thank you, Ufopolitics!

Hello Vidbid!

I am very glad you have opened this Thread about the "N-Machine" plus your concept on developing a different structure...Fascinating Fields!

I want to thank you for leaving that message on my YT Channel...it triggered... you have no idea, how many strings that I have been following/developing up to now.

I see You are incorporating a Winding, instead of a solid, thick copper disc as the Inductor...wise idea.

When I was reviewing DePalma, Tewari and Trombly Patents...I did not understand why they did not try "leaving the Faraday original design" into a more clever Machine.

With all respect, I see all this N-Machines as a "Glorified" Faraday Disc/Magnet structure. Meaning, thicker Discs, More Discs...heavier magnetic fields...but still same approach.

My opinion on Your Design...

According to Faraday and many other experiments conducted from there on...the CYLINDRICAL Magnet rotating gave its HIGHER output, exactly, at Equator Imaginary Line...or Outer center of gravity from magnet embodiment...We all know that the Negative end would always be attached to CENTER AXIS.

Based on this, I believe Your approach, Vidbid is excellent and innovative, related to the winding type and structure...BUT, related to the Magnetic Field disposition is wrong...why?...because an almost flat toroidal magnet volume, besides having a very limited/narrow equator space...you are setting the copper NOT in this area...but in its outer poles ends. It may produce some electrical flow-if they do not cancel each others- but never like both copper sides being located/sandwiched in between either Two Toroid Magnets...or a longer cylindrical magnet.

I believe - If You agree of course!- We could expand this Thread into a great replication site...where we test all different approaches/possibilities, including different types of windings...and I thought about that Toroidal Winding, same as you have here...where V=Radius of Toroid...while wire gauge will deliver amperage values...but what about a "Diametrically Wound"?...I believe then V=Diameter of Winding...

But there is more about this...Faraday came to other conclusions after testing this magnet rotation...Our Planet Earth...as a huge Magnet...rotating, therefore producing its own electricity...and concentrated where?...Yes, "somewhere" around the Equator...

Anyways, want to thank you again for this thread...awesome!



Kind Regards


Ufopolitics

Thank you, Ufopolitics, for your kind words.

One day I will have to post the thought experiment I had that lead me to this design.

I hope some enterprising experimenter builds the thing, and he would be welcome to post his result here.

Kindest regards,

Vidbid

PS: Obviously, Vidbid is not my real name. That, I keep to myself.

[woopy]

Hi Vidbid

Your post pushed me to try what i have understood from your idea.

So what i have understood is that the magnetic field should stay static , and the rotating ring magnet , wrapped with copper wire, is spinning .
So the wires loop around the magnet, (because the rotation ) are moving accross the static magnetic field and so should induce an electric field.

So i tried this small experiment.

I wrapped a ring neo magnet (29 mm diameter ) with about 300 turns of 0.3 mm diameter copper wire and 3.8 Ohm DC resistance and 267 mH inductance.

Then i connected the wire's ends to a LED .

Than i fixed this ring on a electric DC motor, with the LED perfectly centered.

And i let the motor spin up to 5000 rpm. Both direction

But no succes , the LED does not light at all.

Probably i have not quite well understood

Anyway another experiment and thank's

Good luck at all

Laurent

[vidbid]

Hi Vidbid

Your post pushed me to try what i have understood from your idea.

So what i have understood is that the magnetic field should stay static , and the rotating ring magnet , wrapped with copper wire, is spinning .
So the wires loop around the magnet, (because the rotation ) are moving accross the static magnetic field and so should induce an electric field.

So i tried this small experiment.

I wrapped a ring neo magnet (29 mm diameter ) with about 300 turns of 0.3 mm diameter copper wire and 3.8 Ohm DC resistance and 267 mH inductance.

Then i connected the wire's ends to a LED .

Than i fixed this ring on a electric DC motor, with the LED perfectly centered.

And i let the motor spin up to 5000 rpm. Both direction

But no succes , the LED does not light at all.

Probably i have not quite well understood

Anyway another experiment and thank's

Good luck at all

Laurent

Hi Laurent,

According to DePalma, relative motion not needed.

Check to see the orientation of the magnetic field of the ring magnet. Top side of ring (disc) should one pole and the underside of the ring (disc) should be the other pole.

Check to see JL Naudin's experiment with a disc.

Thanks for experimenting. That's a very good experiment.

I must say I am disappointed.

Regards,

Vidbid

[Groundloop]

Hi Vidbid

Your post pushed me to try what i have understood from your idea.

So what i have understood is that the magnetic field should stay static , and the rotating ring magnet , wrapped with copper wire, is spinning .
So the wires loop around the magnet, (because the rotation ) are moving accross the static magnetic field and so should induce an electric field.

So i tried this small experiment.

I wrapped a ring neo magnet (29 mm diameter ) with about 300 turns of 0.3 mm diameter copper wire and 3.8 Ohm DC resistance and 267 mH inductance.

Then i connected the wire's ends to a LED .

Than i fixed this ring on a electric DC motor, with the LED perfectly centered.

And i let the motor spin up to 5000 rpm. Both direction

But no succes , the LED does not light at all.

Probably i have not quite well understood

Anyway another experiment and thank's

Good luck at all

Laurent

Hi Laurent,

The problem is that the voltage generated in the wire going from center to rim get canceled out by the voltage generated in the wire going from rim to the center. The voltage gradient for each wire turn is zero.

One possible way to fix that problem is to make a distance for all the windings going from the rim to the center by adding a plastic tube to your magnet before winding the coil.

This will (maybe) result that the voltage gradient on one wire will be small compared to the voltage gradient on the other wire, thus the net result will be output power.

Regards,
GL.

[woopy]

Hi Vidbid

Yes my ring magnet is N on one face and S on the opposite face . so not diametrically magnetised.

But my question is

Do you mean that the magnetic field stay static while the toroid magnet wrapped with copper wire is spinning ?

Yes or not?

Thank's

Laurent

[vidbid]

Modification



What if we two ring magnets and had a iron washer in the middle of them?

Regards,

Vidbid