Vidbid Generator

[vidbid]

Iron might not be such a good pick. Perhaps, magnetite sand or something else electrically non-conductive might work better for the so-called "iron" disc.

Also, I was thinking that some sort of flux guide should conduct the flux from the outer magnet rings to the inner so-called "iron" disc, so as to bypass the B-fields being applied to two sets of windings.

Regards,

Vidbid

[artoj]

Unipolar Motor/Generator

Hi all
It looks like these posts need some fresh light, here is a page from my next volume "Talking to the Birds". I have actually built this around 1999-2004 or so, it has not been finished (no money left). It has 12 rollers and does spin around the perimeter, the complete tests have not been completed. My original disclosure was in my 1996 book "The Oscillations of the Magic Square of Four". Regards Arto



Here is a link to my book "Talking to the Birds" Volume 1
Talking to the Birds: A Compilation of Essays, Studies and Artwork (Volume 1): Mr Arto Juhani Heino: 9781876406035: Amazon.com: Books

[vidbid]

There's a lot of awesome ideas out there.

Please post freely.

Regards,

Vidbid

[vidbid]

HVDC Homopolar Generator



Please forgive the hastily-drawn sketch.

Regards,

Vidbid

[woopy]

Hi Vidbid , Groundloop and UFO

I have made a small experiment, with my ring magnets.

One ring magnet is attached to a small piece of foam, and floats in the middle of a glass of water. Than i place the second ring magnet some centimeter above the first one, in order to get some magnetic attraction. Than i rotate slowly the upper magnet to see if the floating one follows the rotation. And it seems that the the floating magnet does not follow the rotation . I tried at different speed, same result.

So i think i have my answer. The magnetic line of force of the magnetic field arround a rotating ring magnet, seems not to be sticked to the surface of the magnet and do not rotate with him..

So my winding in my small experiment, does probably really cross the magnetic line of the (or almost ) static magnetic field and should produce some juice to the LED.

BUT BUT as GL noticed, the induced electric field is in oppostion on each side of the magnet and cancels each other so unusable in this experiment. That's why the LED does not light.

Perhaps as GL proposed to create an assymetry by inserting a plastic spacer, to get a stronger magnetic field on one of the pole. But i wonder if the magnetic flux will not cross the winding on the rim side and also cancel the electric flux.

What a pitty , so a simple design, but perhaps there is a solution to find??

And anyway i have learned something, Thank's to all

Good luck at all

Laurent

[vidbid]

Latest Drawing by Vidbid



I drew this diagram this morning. I hope you all like it.

Regards,

Vidbid

[woopy]

Hi Vidbid

If the principle of the static magnetic field is correct, as per my previous post, than i am afraid that this design will not work.

The magnetic flux will be crossed by the winding correctly at the 2 north pole faces, inducing a correct direction of the current on both side of the rotor.

But as the 2 magnetic flux will loop back to the South pole through the ferrite.
They will also be crossed by the winding (just above the ferrite) , but this time inducing an opposite direction of the current, cancelling everything.

But i hope i am wrong

Laurent

[Peter Lindemann]

Not The Same!

Hi Vidbid , Groundloop and UFO

I have made a small experiment, with my ring magnets.

One ring magnet is attached to a small piece of foam, and floats in the middle of a glass of water. Than i place the second ring magnet some centimeter above the first one, in order to get some magnetic attraction. Than i rotate slowly the upper magnet to see if the floating one follows the rotation. And it seems that the the floating magnet does not follow the rotation . I tried at different speed, same result.

So i think i have my answer. The magnetic line of force of the magnetic field arround a rotating ring magnet, seems not to be sticked to the surface of the magnet and do not rotate with him..

So my winding in my small experiment, does probably really cross the magnetic line of the (or almost ) static magnetic field and should produce some juice to the LED.

BUT BUT as GL noticed, the induced electric field is in oppostion on each side of the magnet and cancels each other so unusable in this experiment. That's why the LED does not light.

Perhaps as GL proposed to create an assymetry by inserting a plastic spacer, to get a stronger magnetic field on one of the pole. But i wonder if the magnetic flux will not cross the winding on the rim side and also cancel the electric flux.

What a pity , so a simple design, but perhaps there is a solution to find??

And anyway i have learned something, Thanks to all

Good luck at all

Laurent

Dear Laurent,

In all of the experiments that DePalma ran back in the 1970s and 1980s, a number of them involved placing meters in the rotating frame of working N machines. I witnessed a couple of these.

There was never any indication on the meter, at all!

Units that produced voltage out the brushes showed no voltage produced when measured in the rotating frame.

It is true that the experimental evidence supports the hypothesis that the magnetic field of the ring magnet does not rotate with the material the magnet is composed of. This, and other evidence, is why DePalma hypothesized that the magnetic field was more likely a region of space whose characteristics had become polarized. But DePalma also discovered that when a mass is rotated, it produced a radial distribution of the inertial reference of Space itself, and the electrical energy available in the "N" machine is the cross-product of these TWO STRESSES in the local SPACE. The magnetic stress is axial and the inertial stress is radial.

So, as long as you stay within the boundaries of the new space references, nothing is happening. Only when you reference these stresses back to the outside inertial reference by taking the power out on brushes, does anything appear. So, the energy produced by the machine is RELATIVE to the relationship between the two references of Space, and does not exist ABSOLUTELY in either one.

Your experiment IS NOT the experiment that VIDBID originally proposed!!!! The fact that your experiment produced nothing measurable is perfectly consistent with all other experiments where "power" was left on the wheel and measured in the rotating frame of reference.

As I said in my first post, there are things going on in the Homopolar arrangement that are very unusual. Almost every post in this thread so far has included assumptions that are erroneous because the posters have only limited experience with Homopolar machines and an over-simplified mental model of what is happening in the machine. This includes you.

If you want to help VIDBID and the rest of us, finish the machine by installing the slip-rings and measure the voltage in the stationary reference. I believe you will find the voltage then. If the machine behaves like other series connected units, you may also see a drag on the machine when the output is short-circuited. If the drag does NOT show up, then you will be looking at something VERY IMPORTANT!

Best regards,
Peter

[vidbid]

Artwork for the Day



Do you like my artwork?

Driving on Conductor Lane on North Facing Magnet Ring as It Rotates

Regards,

Vidbid

[artoj]

Unipolar Motor

Hi Vidbid
Good work, but as I have pointed out, it will not generate any voltage, it will only work as a motor. The true nature of this type of design goes back to Faraday, where I have gone back to realize the Unipolar Motor, not an original idea by me but it had to be unearthed so it could be looked at with fresh eyes. Bruce DePalmer as was noted by Peter Lindemann, tried many configurations and wasn't successful, I have also experimented 18 years ago and found these truths and found new engineerable solutions. I hope the diagrammatic understanding I have here will elucidate the actuality of its form. I have built and tested this design over 14 years ago, so I hope you understand this particular design and arrangement has already been engineered and proven by practical experiment, so experimental theory in this unique arrangement is not completely necessary but still welcome. The windings only make the ohmic losses greater, it is not necessary as it only reduces the efficiency and rotational power losses. Thanks for sharing in your ideas, regards Arto.

[vidbid]

We Need To Get Small



Can you imagine what the next drawing will look like?

Regards,

Vidbid

[Ufopolitics]

From Faraday On...

Hi Vidbid
Good work, but as I have pointed out, it will not generate any voltage, it will only work as a motor. The true nature of this type of design goes back to Faraday, where I have gone back to realize the Unipolar Motor, not an original idea by me but it had to be unearthed so it could be looked at with fresh eyes. Bruce DePalmer as was noted by Peter Lindemann, tried many configurations and wasn't successful, I have also experimented 18 years ago and found these truths and found new engineerable solutions. I hope the diagrammatic understanding I have here will elucidate the actuality of its form. I have built and tested this design over 14 years ago, so I hope you understand it has already been engineered and proven, so experimentational theory is not necessary. The windings only make the ohmic losses greater, it is not necessary as it only reduces the efficiency and rotational power losses. Thanks for sharing in your ideas, regards Arto.

Hello Artoj,

I agree with You as the necessity to travel back to Faraday, and I have done that also as well...

However, I do not agree with your statement below...:

I hope you understand it has already been engineered and proven, so experimentational theory is not necessary. The windings only make the ohmic losses greater, it is not necessary as it only reduces the efficiency and rotational power losses.

I respect your time devoted to working and developing this Type of Machines...but I do NOT agree that:

"Experimental Theory is not necessary..."

As well as:

" it has already been engineered and proven.."

First, all the working Machines that I have read about, including Adam Trombly Patent on this Machine (And I really don't know what's going on between patents legalities between Tewari, De Palma and Trombly...but really could care less...all those are "Noises"...I limit to the Technical Disclosure and Testing ONLY.

All this Machines are known for producing a "Ridiculous LOW Voltage"...while concentrating a HUGE Amperage Population, beyond normal requirements...NOW, this VERY UNEQUAL OUTPUT, tells me, very LOUD and CLEAR, that they DO NEED AS MUCH THEORY AND PRACTICAL Development as We all could get our hands on to resolve.

I see as a FACT that by utilizing a SOLID DISC, of thick enough GAUGE, of Copper OR Steel, sandwiched between magnetic field(s)...will leave plenty of Room for Amperage to develop randomly...while Voltage or better said, POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE depends only on the distance from axis to outer circumference of Disc(s) [or RADIUS]...which is ridiculously short distance compared to Gauge...yielding also a ridiculous amount of Voltage.

To me...all this N-Machines are based on a GLORIFIED Faraday Disc...are nothing but SOPHISTICATED and LOYAL Replication of Faraday's Experimental Disc/Magnets back on 1831. ..except Better bearings...thicker discs...higher magnetic fields...sorry, but to me that's same thing with a better envelope...

So, of course it needs development, of course we need to theorize AS MUCH AS WE ALL COULD DO IT...to make Higher Voltages and LOWER its Amperage...in such a Fashion as to be able to regulate them with simple twisting here or there.

Now, the ONLY WAY that I know we all could do that...is by doing what VidBid is trying to do here...which is trying to incorporate Coils with the Machine Core...using still the same Disc of Copper , maybe making grooves on it...insulating it with epoxy...then winding coils to it...and joining either Parallel or Series HV with H Amps Terminals Out...yielding a HUGE amount of Energy beyond our "Classical Knowledge" on this Fields.

I am sorry...but the least thing that I would like to hear on this Forums...is that "something" need "No Further Development"...whether in Theory or in Practice.


Thanks and Regards


Ufopolitics

[vidbid]

Never Give Up

Peter Lindemann

Ufopolitics



You're the observer.



Looking back at the 12 after making half a revolution in a counterclockwise direction.



If we give up, we will never get anywhere.

Look at what we have to gain if we keep trying.

One of us might actually accomplish the so-called impossible.


Regards,

Vidbid

[Groundloop]

@Ufopolitics,

What if we use a disk made out of another material than copper?

Thinking out load here..............

Maybe a material that has a much higher internal resistance like metalized plastic? You know the anti static plastic type used to protect electronic.

Just a thought.......

@Woopy,

You should try some sort of slip rings on your test setup. Put one end
of your coil to the metal of your rotor, the other end can maybe go to
a insulated needle brush contact at the front of your rotor coil.

GL.

[Ufopolitics]

Static Fields...

Hi Vidbid , Groundloop and UFO

I have made a small experiment, with my ring magnets.

One ring magnet is attached to a small piece of foam, and floats in the middle of a glass of water. Than i place the second ring magnet some centimeter above the first one, in order to get some magnetic attraction. Than i rotate slowly the upper magnet to see if the floating one follows the rotation. And it seems that the the floating magnet does not follow the rotation . I tried at different speed, same result.

So i think i have my answer. The magnetic line of force of the magnetic field arround a rotating ring magnet, seems not to be sticked to the surface of the magnet and do not rotate with him..

So my winding in my small experiment, does probably really cross the magnetic line of the (or almost ) static magnetic field and should produce some juice to the LED.

BUT BUT as GL noticed, the induced electric field is in oppostion on each side of the magnet and cancels each other so unusable in this experiment. That's why the LED does not light.

Perhaps as GL proposed to create an assymetry by inserting a plastic spacer, to get a stronger magnetic field on one of the pole. But i wonder if the magnetic flux will not cross the winding on the rim side and also cancel the electric flux.

What a pitty , so a simple design, but perhaps there is a solution to find??

And anyway i have learned something, Thank's to all

Good luck at all

Laurent

Hello Woopy!

I like your experiment, as well as your conclusion about Field to be Static...I am with you here...

However, We have to think of other possibilities that have affected the Ring Magnet on water not to rotate...

If they were "Twin Magnets", meaning same field strength, same area, same spec's, then maybe the drag from foam and water plus weight of magnet mass... was higher than attraction force between magnets...what I would suggest is using a stronger field magnet in the rotation end, and testing again.

Another point is to check (in case they engage magnetically then rotate) to see if at certain RPM's they stop or disengage magnetically...

I hope by all means they do not rotate...as it is a very simple way to demonstrate this dilemma.

Regards


Ufopolitics