Vidbid Generator

[Ufopolitics]

Ufopolitics: One interesting thing was not clear to me...and of course the "classical" explanation was not digested either ...was:

Why, when Faraday rotated the "U" shaped magnet (second experiment on my Thread) around a STATIC Copper Disc ...and connected to brushes...there was no effect, no output whatsoever...when other two choices did work...1-Moving Disc/Static Magnet...and 2-All rotating together (N-Machines)

That experiment did not use a “U” shaped magnet. It was a disk magnet parallel with the stationary copper disk rotating on the same center axis. The conductors were attached to the copper disk. This is the experiment that shows the magnetic field did not rotate with the magnet when the magnet is rotated on the N-S axis. That is why there was no current. The copper disk and the magnetic field were not moving relative to each other.

Hello Cadman,

In about Three Books from the 1800's that I have read (I do not read new books on old experiments, they are all giving wrong explanations, conclusions, noises...etc) about Faraday's Experiments with original drawings submitted to the Royal Institution...I do not recall to read about a Magnetic Disc attached to a Copper Disc...but maybe they missed it...or I did...If I did, thanks for correcting me...

Either way, I like your Disc to Disc experiment...still proves/confirms that the Magnetic Field, even if Magnet is just a portion of the circumference...when it rotates it "fills" the Whole Space Ring with that Field propagation...and like you are saying...there is no relative movement between Field to Conductor, therefore...no effect, no output.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

I am almost certain WE NAIL it...Part 1

Ok Guys...this is it,

And please, feel free to correct me if I am wrong...I promise I will not get upset (This time only!)...

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I knew there was a way...after "frying" my brain for weeks, hand sketches, back and forth...CAD's, 3D Models,etc,etc...I believe it will do now...but of course, it will have to be tested to confirm this claims.

One thing that I have learned over time is... whenever I am developing an idea, a problem, a dilemma...is using the KISS procedure to myself at all times...KEEPING IT SIMPLE...before complicating designs by adding components, exotic materials or "more ASSumptions" on top of an "unsolved" one...to me all this does is confuse Us even more..getting us away from the light...

First I am planning to use just two rings magnets, or call them Toroids...glued by their equal poles, North as in the case above...then using two external identical Toroids to be set as Diagram above...If You notice...in order to start winding, we do NOT need but just the Center Module (the Two Center Toroids attached by the North Poles) ...then after winding both Toroids complete circumference, then we press the End Magnets through shaft, compressing wires, closing Air Gaps...the whole thing could be epoxied and balanced to stand high RPM's.

Please, be my guest, use Your "Right Hand Rule"...on the B Fields...The Moving (F) Vectors...and Current direction...check if or not correct set up of the arrows...

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The Point is to create a Disruption of the Magnetic Field Equilibrium by forcing equal poles against an absorbing material (a Steel Heavy Disc or Washer) or a Field Blocker like Lead or Carbon Fiber?..I know the Steel or Iron will absorb magnetic field strength of either two North or two South Poles...

This Design could also be made with curved [ ( ] Magnets from Motors...attached together conforming a Ring...then an Inner Ring Inside...or outside...Rings of the SAME Magnetic Projection for each Layer...

On above Diagrams, I have displayed an Upper Single Loop of wire...just to "see/analyze" Concept Clearer. However, the winding at bottom (below rotation axis) is the way to start "looping" wires into more complex coils, which will keep the same pattern.


To be continued...


Regards to All



Ufopolitics

[Cadman]

.I do not recall to read about a Magnetic Disc attached to a Copper Disc

Just to be clear, the magnetic disk was not attached to the copper one. They were on the same axle but magnet was free to spin on that axle. Magnet was spun, copper disk and axle remained stationary.

[Ufopolitics]

I am almost certain WE NAIL it...Part 2

And now...Complicating it a bit more...

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I have tried many ways before coming out with this modular expansion diagram...It will allow Us more Copper...meaning more Coils...more Energy extracted from the "Intervening Medium" (Faraday words)

The same Winding Pattern...a Sine-wave that we weave opposite to first one and so on...jumping from one component to the next one.

This Diagram comprehends same "Above Axis Single Wire"...to be analyzed in its simple form...while below axis...I have displayed the shape it would take as Coils wound between Components.

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It was necessary to expand to Three Disturbing* Points (Two will not work... ) A South Center, and Two North ones next to each side...and of course we could also do it with a "Center North Star"...then two outer South Points...we'll just have to swap the End Magnets...

And again, I repeat, this could be done with the Concave Stators we find in Motors, except that in one dual Stator Machine we have one North and One South...so it will not do...they must be three or four (depending on curvature angles) South or four North of the same circumference...so a "few" motors would have to be scrapped...I have many loose magnets...so no sweat... ...Then a smaller curvature will go within...or a bigger on the outside area...

This is so far...a Theory...We have to test this...and I am going to...but first, I will build a 3D Model of both configurations...and animate them running...since the 2D CAD is sometimes not too clear...or tends to confusion.

* I refer to "Disturbing Points" or Upsetting the Ether...creating Magnetic Unbalances..by forcing equal poles together (there are other ways to do this )...besides Rotation, which is the primary way to start braking the Equilibrium.


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

[wrtner]

Yes Wrtner, they were OU...Only problem was Voltage versus Amperage ratios were too unbalanced...talking about 2.0 Volts versus 1600 Amps.

It is a matter of designing and building a motor that really wants and enjoys receiving 2V at 1600 amps. (or other device, maybe a Bob Boyce electrolyser which revels in a low voltage per cell).

The same applies to devices which produces vicious little pulses of enormous voltage; we need a pulse motor designed for VLPOEVs.

Paul-R

[Ufopolitics]

It is a matter of designing and building a motor that really wants and enjoys receiving 2V at 1600 amps. (or other device, maybe a Bob Boyce electrolyser which revels in a low voltage per cell).

The same applies to devices which produces vicious little pulses of enormous voltage; we need a pulse motor designed for VLPOEVs.

Paul-R

Yes, indeed Wrtner,

However, it is not only about Motors...but ALL other Appliances already there...like a simple Light Bulb.

I see it is easier to work on the Development of the N-Machine Generator itself...being able to modify its parameters (V-A) in order to suit an overall environment of consuming devices, that require an established electric flow...

They used this Homopolar and Unipolar Generator Machines for Electroplating, back in the late 1800's...where this V-A ranges were a requirement.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[vidbid]

Thanks to Ufopolitics!

Those are some awesome drawing/diagrams. I like them.

Well done!

Bravo!

Regards,

VIDBID

[Pembelton]

Maybe I can add a little to this.

And now...Complicating it a bit more...

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I have tried many ways before coming out with this modular expansion diagram...It will allow Us more Copper...meaning more Coils...more Energy extracted from the "Intervening Medium" (Faraday words)

The same Winding Pattern...a Sine-wave that we weave opposite to first one and so on...jumping from one component to the next one.

This Diagram comprehends same "Above Axis Single Wire"...to be analyzed in its simple form...while below axis...I have displayed the shape it would take as Coils wound between Components.

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It was necessary to expand to Three Disturbing* Points (Two will not work... ) A South Center, and Two North ones next to each side...and of course we could also do it with a "Center North Star"...then two outer South Points...we'll just have to swap the End Magnets...

And again, I repeat, this could be done with the Concave Stators we find in Motors, except that in one dual Stator Machine we have one North and One South...so it will not do...they must be three or four (depending on curvature angles) South or four North of the same circumference...so a "few" motors would have to be scrapped...I have many loose magnets...so no sweat... ...Then a smaller curvature will go within...or a bigger on the outside area...

This is so far...a Theory...We have to test this...and I am going to...but first, I will build a 3D Model of both configurations...and animate them running...since the 2D CAD is sometimes not too clear...or tends to confusion.

* I refer to "Disturbing Points" or Upsetting the Ether...creating Magnetic Unbalances..by forcing equal poles together (there are other ways to do this )...besides Rotation, which is the primary way to start braking the Equilibrium.


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

High everyone I have not posted before, though I have lurked many years here.
I would like to say to UFO, thank you for being so open with your knowledge and ability.
Those things being said I would just like to add a thought to this device.
I came up with this exact same arrangement a few years ago althoght I have not been able to build and test it.
But I had taken it 1 step further and that is to utilize the wire that crosses the ends and is currently just resistance.
My thought was to bring magnet poles in at 90 degrees to the ring magnets in whatever polarity it took to utilize the current flowing through the end windings to cause a rotation to occur turning it into a motor that uses the Load Current as its propulsive force, I think that the motor effect should cause it to speed up as more load is pulled out if it.
Just an idea to think about.

[Berg]

Please forgive the hastily-drawn sketch.

Regards,

Vidbid

Nice design you got there.

Not bad. If I say so myself.



Berg

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Pembelton

High everyone I have not posted before, though I have lurked many years here.
I would like to say to UFO, thank you for being so open with your knowledge and ability.

Hello Pembelton and thanks for the kind words.

Those things being said I would just like to add a thought to this device.
I came up with this exact same arrangement a few years ago althoght I have not been able to build and test it.

Well, I am sorry you were not able to take your ideas to real testing models...I really enjoy more the physical building of a Planned Machine in previous "ideas" then in 2D and 3D CAD'S...than it is actually the completion of A Process, and the success... my friend...is priceless!

But I had taken it 1 step further ...

Like I wrote in a previous post above...I do not like to "keep adding more complex designs" or more Assumptions...without even finishing the starting and simple ones...and running tests on real models, no matter if it is a very small one...still it "Proves a Concept" about it works or not.

For example, I designed the Diagrams above...they look pretty right?...well, they do not work as I expected it when I built the simplest Model, based on format from Diagram One...there are other things that must be done in order to achieve my goals...even though I did had an Output in that very rough and simple Model I have build. .. You see, real building of a model tells you if your "tinkering" was close or not, to a real working model...then comes the steps to keep finding the errors...re-testing, improving, taking them apart again...and again...etc,etc...I know this takes time and lot of work...but it is worth it to the last minute.

and that is to utilize the wire that crosses the ends and is currently just resistance.

Sorry, but I do not agree there...this wires are transport of currents...and based on the right design, the right way to wind them...you could reduce its size to a minimum measure...However, N-Machines are known for having thousands of Amps...so, adding a bit of resistance will not affect at all taking off even a few hundred amps...that we do not need at all...if Voltage is increased enough to be within "workable" ratios.

My thought was to bring magnet poles in at 90 degrees to the ring magnets in whatever polarity it took to utilize the current flowing through the end windings to cause a rotation to occur turning it into a motor that uses the Load Current as its propulsive force, I think that the motor effect should cause it to speed up as more load is pulled out if it.
Just an idea to think about.

That I know off, in order to do that...to create a "Motor within" the N-Machine...you will need to add Stators ("bring magnet poles in at 90 degrees")...I mean fixed ones in an outer frame...then it no longer would be a One Piece Generator...but a Typical "Two Part Machine"...and I love the fact of having just One Piece Machine rotating!!!...

Unless You are planning to use the "Spatial Static Magnetic Fields" that N-Machine utilizes to develop an output...in that case...it would be very interesting concept/idea.

On my end, I believe that N-Machines could be expanded and perfect them into useful Generators, their principle and building is extremely simple...and adapting it within any Motor structure out there would be a simple operation, again, once we have made them work perfectly to our necessities...

My opinion to you is...Make them Real!...build them, test them...construct prototypes in their simplest form first, in order to be easily taken apart with just "a couple" of bolts...no matter if they are not "perfectly balanced"...or have a "clear coat finish" on them...as long as they do run, or produce an output, even a "Micro-Volt"...you are on the right track friend!



Regards



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

My Testing and Conclusions...

Hello to All,

It seems not many are interested on this Thread Uh? ...it is Ok...I love to "Play Solo"...and may as well, make my own Thread to build this N-Machines bigger and better...

Anyways, I did some rough Model...and guess what?...it works, it produces an energy output from a 1.0 ohm radical short circuit at brushes, which were the tip of my DMM Probes...

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It actually outputted more mV than Thomas Valone bigger sized Models...

However, what is going on here...when we force face to face same magnetic polarity fields (here I did two North)...and do not use an "absorbent" like steel, but fiberglass, like I did...it actually enhances/projects that North Poles towards the outer area of Volume...more than normally it would propagate (I did more tests on same principle)...So we have:

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However, due to the Radial Distances between Upper and Lower wire area...voltages fluctuated a lot between zero to value...but remained an average around the 0.80 mV.

We must definitively FEEL the Magnetic Fields guys...feel them with another magnet...whether attract or repulse...but feel the Spatial Distortion up to where it reaches exactly?

What I did then...was to reverse the outer Magnets, in order to react this time with upper end or "V" shape side of coil...like this:

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And I actually obtained 0.200 mV at "flashing" times...but definitively above 0.80 mV...and understand this is a very small model...only a few turns...plus magnets are very weak, so I had to use double at ends to increase...still it was very unbalanced magnetically.

Of course this kind of power will NOT turn even the lowest voltage LED available...that I know off...any of you know of a "200 Milli Volt LED"?...please let me know...thanks...it should turn with electricity from our bodies...or in air...

Anyways, I will be making bigger Models...heavier Magnets from Speakers Base Range...BUT, here the main thing bolts down to...

Redirecting those Face to Face Magnetic Poles with Steel Elements to propagate at other "location"...just like it is done with Speakers center Cores...or with Car Alternators Tooth Jaws Rotors/Stators...something like this:

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I will be using some Lathed Steel parts...some, remnants from the same speakers cores...great steel...and looks like a "T" Shape with hollow center...we are talking about some nice 15 inches speakers...

The center piece should be smaller than outer magnet radius...and some good speakers are bolted together with like three bolts and easy to take apart...not glued and riveted like cheaper crap...

Anyways...felt like posting/sharing this results and development


Regards


Ufopolitics

[shylo]

Very Interested

Hi UFO, Am watching and hoping to learn.( if I can comprehend).
I'm sure you have exp. with adding an extra brush, I've been running ,doing manual switches..
Not your design ,but similar in the effect that it : increases rpm ,and torque.
But it charges the batteries, while the system runs , my diodes are real hot.
I'm not cycling the charge battery out though.
Don't have enough batteries.
I'll try to add a pic of my motor with the added brush, it's by the green tape.
artv

[wrtner]

There is some very exotic thinking here, UFO. And some tricky winding.

Can anyone think of something that could be dismantled to give that coil, or something that could be converted into it? (I think I know where there is an old dumped TV, CRT type. I am wondering about the scanning coils. A long shot with only a slender chance of success).

[Ufopolitics]

There is some very exotic thinking here, UFO. And some tricky winding.

Can anyone think of something that could be dismantled to give that coil, or something that could be converted into it? (I think I know where there is an old dumped TV, CRT type. I am wondering about the scanning coils. A long shot with only a slender chance of success).

Hello Wrtner,

Well, that is the way I always "attack" an idea...aggressively, intensively and on "real things"...is the fastest way to go friend.

Big Speakers (15 inches or more) are a good and cheap source to start making a pretty decent size/output Machine for testing...plus using 16 or 18 awg wire to generate pretty good amps and volts.

The winding is very simple Wrtner, it is just rings loops exactly like toroidal type...yes, I know, a pain in the neck...because of inserting and pulling through ring...but that is up to when we come up with some "Pole Type" Armature Design...similar to the one used on typical 2 piece generators...BUT applicable to this shape.

If We could get One fully Wound Ring, surrounded by say four magnets...we could start "reproducing this rings and using the extremes from each ends...multiplying power output.

I am really lost of what to look for in a CRT applicable to this design?...could you please explain?...I've got a few here...plus some old TV's I save for "Parts Supplies"...


Thanks and regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hi UFO, Am watching and hoping to learn.( if I can comprehend).
I'm sure you have exp. with adding an extra brush, I've been running ,doing manual switches..
Not your design ,but similar in the effect that it : increases rpm ,and torque.
But it charges the batteries, while the system runs , my diodes are real hot.
I'm not cycling the charge battery out though.
Don't have enough batteries.
I'll try to add a pic of my motor with the added brush, it's by the green tape.
artv

My Dear Friend Shylo...

Friend, I believe you are kind of lost here...

This is NOT about Motors...but Generators.

And, this is NOT my design either...Vidbid started this Thread...as I already thought of it...resuming, adding windings to this N Machines Type of Generators...Instead of SOLID COPPER DISCS OR CYLINDERS...STILL, ONE PIECE ROTOR IS ALL YOU NEED.

Meaning no Static Parts/ Stators...no Static Fields...no static NADA...


Regards


Ufopolitics