Cap Dump Circuit

[BroMikey]

Learning

I'm just a decade or so younger than you.

Yes it is good, low side switches are much simpler to drive.
Learning to drive high side switches well does open up a lot of other possibilities,
like two stage pulsers, capacitor voltage doublers, half and full H bridge switching solutions ect.

I'm very much a learner myself, and I enjoy learning new stuff so I'm happy to
be a learner. I'll review what I've missed lately.

..

Oh Well til the day we die learning and relearning is my excitement. When I am done others will be able to see the diagram, see what the circuit can do and put it together without burnouts.

There are circuits all over the web and barely one that is complete and made easy to understand how to build it. Always some part left out that sends you looking for the engineer who thinks it should work but never built one.

I see a great deal of talk and thats about all I see most of the time.

Basically no one on youtube is showing one inside and out that is a practical unit that has industrial qualities. Just gator clips and wires splattered out all over the room that will end up at the bottom of a closet somewhere.

Breadboards with temporary connections proof it works a little.

Just one guy and his name is John Bedini.

Well there might be one or two that put their stuff into a practical application.

These sites are for beginners as well as rocket scientist and I feel that most guys have a specific ability and they maybe can't engineer some things.

Nothing wrong with that. I think sharing means if I can do something others can do then making the road easier to travel is the first step in getting others to get an entry point so they can begin to work on some of these projects.

I started with pulsing a battery because pulsing circuits are a large part of obtaining extra energy. Many look at pulsing coils and caps as if it was a beginners toy real simple and yet not that big of a deal.

I am telling everyone right now, if you can't pulse a cap, coil or battery you don't know what you are missing. You are missing a building block that will stop you from understanding the more advanced aspects of Tesla technology.

So if people what to think pulsing is unimportant or insignificant then they have failed the test of learning all together.

So getting people to build simple easy effective circuits is very important. There is nothing more frustrating for a learner than to be misdirected so after they build something it constantly fails.

Show me one besides JB who is doing it.


Mike

[Stephen Brown]

Motivations are everything!

Mike,
Your motives are selfless and true.
I think there are many good souls here on this forum like you.
Thanks for being here.
Keep up the good work.
Stephen

Oh Well til the day we die learning and relearning is my excitement. When I am done others will be able to see the diagram, see what the circuit can do and put it together without burnouts.

There are circuits all over the web and barely one that is complete and made easy to understand how to build it. Always some part left out that sends you looking for the engineer who thinks it should work but never built one.

I see a great deal of talk and thats about all I see most of the time.

Basically no one on youtube is showing one inside and out that is a practical unit that has industrial qualities. Just gator clips and wires splattered out all over the room that will end up at the bottom of a closet somewhere.

Breadboards with temporary connections proof it works a little.

Just one guy and his name is John Bedini.

Well there might be one or two that put their stuff into a practical application.

These sites are for beginners as well as rocket scientist and I feel that most guys have a specific ability and they maybe can't engineer some things.

Nothing wrong with that. I think sharing means if I can do something others can do then making the road easier to travel is the first step in getting others to get an entry point so they can begin to work on some of these projects.

I started with pulsing a battery because pulsing circuits are a large part of obtaining extra energy. Many look at pulsing coils and caps as if it was a beginners toy real simple and yet not that big of a deal.

I am telling everyone right now, if you can't pulse a cap, coil or battery you don't know what you are missing. You are missing a building block that will stop you from understanding the more advanced aspects of Tesla technology.

So if people what to think pulsing is unimportant or insignificant then they have failed the test of learning all together.

So getting people to build simple easy effective circuits is very important. There is nothing more frustrating for a learner than to be misdirected so after they build something it constantly fails.

Show me one besides JB who is doing it.


Mike

[BroMikey]

Open Source is Open and Honest.

Mike,
Your motives are selfless and true.
I think there are many good souls here on this forum like you.
Thanks for being here.
Keep up the good work.
Stephen

Hello Stephen

Such a grown up response is always much appreciated. I know that few many can and will offer their work up on the chopping block so to speak, but this is the way to getting the young guys running with the ball.

My energy level at 57 is much less than when I was 20 and I think young men should be directed into work that gets them away from the wrong thing.

To do that we must get them an entry point that is effective and satisfying, where the results of their work keeps them inspired. Leading a project can be time consuming yet those following will benefit so it is worth it to me.

We all work on many times over long periods of time with it failing in the end only to be replaced with a new one, so I don't see anything wrong with letting the younger guys in on our experience.

About the time I think I have something to show off a younger guys shows out more than I did. Not that the purpose should be to show off. Showing off right is Okay I guess

If enough serious minded people find an entry point, devices that run a home would be popping up everywhere.

I know a few of you guys out there already have some to show soon and I will be looking forward to seeing it produce results that are unheard of.

You are a kind man to say such a nice thing as you did to me and I thank you.

Mike

[Stephen Brown]

Do what you Love.

Mike,
I myself am 56, so I understand the energy "difference potential" that you are talking about.
As well as the increasing strength of my reading glasses when soldering small connections through my magnifying glass.

Tom Bearden speaks every chance he can about putting the fundamentals of radiant energy in front of our best and brightest. In every tech school in the country.

My first impression, when I joined the the Bedini Yahoo groups so many years ago was; Hey, these guys are sharing everything, their failures as well as their success's. This is really an honest discussion toward a new understanding the natural world.

Before the internet, the only model we had for this kind of research was a business model or an academic model, where you would bring a group of like minded people together to solve a specific problem. The best part (and this was understood) was often, unintended processes would reveal themselves and be turned into other useable systems.
The internet has changed so much. This is that model X 1000!
But without the pressures of profit or merit. Egalitarian to it's core.
I am so grateful to be a part of it.

Peter L. told me once, that the point of this entire exercise is to make sure you are pursuing what it is that you love to do.

This forum is a passionate place. I know there are people here that are doing just that. Keep doing what you're doing.

Peter is right. It's the little things in the right places that will make the change big changes we are all looking for.
Sincerely
Stephen

P.S. Will you be attending the 2014 Energy Science & Tech Conference?
If so we can continue this discussion.
I attended last year and it was completely inspiring.

Hello Stephen

Such a grown up response is always much appreciated. I know that few many can and will offer their work up on the chopping block so to speak, but this is the way to getting the young guys running with the ball.

My energy level at 57 is much less than when I was 20 and I think young men should be directed into work that gets them away from the wrong thing.

To do that we must get them an entry point that is effective and satisfying, where the results of their work keeps them inspired. Leading a project can be time consuming yet those following will benefit so it is worth it to me.

We all work on many times over long periods of time with it failing in the end only to be replaced with a new one, so I don't see anything wrong with letting the younger guys in on our experience.

About the time I think I have something to show off a younger guys shows out more than I did. Not that the purpose should be to show off. Showing off right is Okay I guess

If enough serious minded people find an entry point, devices that run a home would be popping up everywhere.

I know a few of you guys out there already have some to show soon and I will be looking forward to seeing it produce results that are unheard of.

You are a kind man to say such a nice thing as you did to me and I thank you.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Attending the Conference

Mike,
I myself am 56, so I understand the energy "difference potential" that you are talking about.
As well as the increasing strength of my reading glasses when soldering small connections through my magnifying glass.

Tom Bearden speaks every chance he can about putting the fundamentals of radiant energy in front of our best and brightest. In every tech school in the country.

My first impression, when I joined the the Bedini Yahoo groups so many years ago was; Hey, these guys are sharing everything, their failures as well as their success's. This is really an honest discussion toward a new understanding the natural world.

Before the internet, the only model we had for this kind of research was a business model or an academic model, where you would bring a group of like minded people together to solve a specific problem. The best part (and this was understood) was often, unintended processes would reveal themselves and be turned into other useable systems.
The internet has changed so much. This is that model X 1000!
But without the pressures of profit or merit. Egalitarian to it's core.
I am so grateful to be a part of it.

Peter L. told me once, that the point of this entire exercise is to make sure you are pursuing what it is that you love to do.

This forum is a passionate place. I know there are people here that are doing just that. Keep doing what you're doing.

Peter is right. It's the little things in the right places that will make the change big changes we are all looking for.
Sincerely
Stephen

P.S. Will you be attending the 2014 Energy Science & Tech Conference?
If so we can continue this discussion.
I attended last year and it was completely inspiring.

Hello Stephen

No I won't be there this year. I will look for a CD or a John Bedini process in DVD form or a book by those other guys.

I remembered back in the 80's how all of us young guys spent 1000's on PC's having little get together's in rented building putting parts on machines.

80-81 Kapro and other Pc's had my interest.

Then the 8088 chip came and from there 286,386.486,686 Pc's.

Yeah we are on the same page.

In 1995 I went online.

I will tell you what, those high energy discharges are powerful surges. I can't find the words to share their significance.

I will be sharing more video of battery pulsing.

Thanks for your input Stephen

Mike

[Dupe]

Cap Charging

@ BroMikey

Have been watching your posts and progress with interest, I've experimented for the last few years on and off with various charging methods, and had a lot of pleasure and varied success. I currently use HV pulse BEMF spike charging for my power tool Ni Cad's which charge quite rapidly.Component parts accumulated over time from scrap HV chargers etc have proved useful for my experiments. I'm using BSP452 mosfet switching devices, four of these in parallel connected from PV panels through a salvaged chunky inductor and driven via a 555 timer provide the charge voltage. These devices are SMD types but can be easily soldered onto a copper heat sink using their tabs. You can experiment with the drive frequency and M/S ratio, 50% for my circuits but keep a close check on running temperature. I use a small computer fan when the PV's are receiving maximum sun ,,, 20 volts output. Kind Regards Mike,
Dupe

[BroMikey]

Pulse Circuits

Okay I need to have someone tell me what has changed, but first

@Dupe
Thanks for the driver part number sharing whats up at your place keep it up, let us all know for time to time. You have us thinking.

Now let me address the pulse timing of John Bedini's energy pumps and dumps.

John B uses 100MS timing for pulses. Here is one example and I need someone to tell me why I am now asked to shut for a timing in the nano seconds or a 1ms pulse??


What has changed in 11 years, please someone explain.

JBpump.jpg

Also everyone should note the red circles in the picture. I am enraged. Why?

Simple, because I didn't notice JB mosfet numbers for a 24vdc max system, instead I have been looking at diagrams on these group lists produced by people who mean well but really haven't found which end is up on this stuff.

IRFP260 mosfet is the one I just picked up as I looked for the right voltage parts after blowing many 250's.

So john B uses H11DX opto's producing a 100MS yes milisecond pulses.

See the patent photo above. This diagram is not out dated, trust me.

My question is what did this wave form probably look like? And why should we be changing the timing to nanosecond pulses when John uses 100MS yes miliseconds.

Hello? Any takers or are we just building our own new design? That is okay if that what the nanosecond pulse topology is all about.

From what I understand experimenters want a variable range of pulse timing using the slow rise times and long "ON TIMES" to start the charging sequence and as the batteries fill the rates can be altered to any desired pulse train for finishing and maintaining battery charge.

With this in mind we can then look at the micro-controllers to perform the changes based on battery type as well as voltage.

Yet I would still like to hear someone express how John's H11DX opto's became suddenly obsolete for use with cap dumps and how discharges effect batteries better.

This question is only for those who have built these circuits and know something more than speculation please.

It seems that if 100MS yes thats right microseconds (mS) is good for John's batteries why should I change it? Or what question should I be asking?

Or is that figure 100mS "ON TIME" ? It can't be as Mario has pointed out Opto's are slow and rise times are in the uS.

If you understand my question please give the answer. Maybe 100mS is "ON TIME"??? I wonder what the rise time is? On this pump diagram what would be the fastest rise time possible?

It sure wouldn't be 10ns and it wouldn't be 500ns yet it could be somewhere around 30uS.

Any ideas let me know.

Thank You.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Bedini dump circuit

Here is another example of a voltage divider found on the John Bedini's wheels.

It uses a slow Opto for rise times AND a 10k ohm resistor to pull the Mosfet back shut. I know beyond a doubt that this resistor only permits a sawtooth wave form. Fall times for this resistor is 250-500 micro-seconds.

here is a partial circuit.



So why do these waveforms produce sawtooth when they are supposed to be square wave. Square wave is not sawtooth and sawtooth is not square wave.

This is the way all Bedini pulses are formed.

Anyone?

Again this is a very detailed question only for people who understand these circuits BY building them. No speculation please.

Thank you in advance for from input.

Mike

[Dupe]

Cap dump charging

@ BroMikey, check the partial circuit polarity labeling !! Dupe

[BroMikey]

See what I mean?

@ BroMikey, check the partial circuit polarity labeling !! Dupe

Hi Dupe

I found this on the web. See what I mean about the garbage you find on line sometimes.

Anyway the polarity was not my focus. I am wanting experimenters to look at the voltage divider starting with the 10k ohm resistor.

The claim al around the web is that this circuit produces a square wave. That is bare faced lie. This circuit produces a sawtooth wave form.

That is what I am saying.

They may have goofed on plus and minus?

Mike

[BroMikey]

circuit diagram

Here is that diagram for a sawtooth waveform

Sawcircuit.JPG

I removed the plus sign.

Mike

[shylo]

Hi Matt, so are you saying , that if I charge a cap to 24 volts ,let it discharge to, say 12.6 (on a battery reading 12 volts) , then let the cap recharge?
That is don't let the cap discharge to battery level.
Just had to ask.
artv

[BroMikey]

Trying To Learn More

You cannot get a square wave with caps. Or pretty impossible anyway. The minute you turn on the dump power falls out of the cap down the battery level.

To get a square wave you would have to switch from a source that has enough current to maintain a voltage level. This would be alot of current as a battery has a negative resistance. Meaning the more you feed it the more it takes to the point it will destroy itself. And thats what will happen. Thats why normal battery chargers use Ferro Resonant transformers, so they can regulate the amount of current passed.

If you are concerned solely about the gate signal you can use true Gate driver like a FOD3120 with an isolated power supply.
My favorite is the FOD3184 with dual polarity isolated power supply to power it.

You can use that power supply with the gate driver by tying the positive polarity of the PS to the positive (+15 vdc) of the driver and tying the negative (-15 vdc) side of it to the negative side of the driver. This gives you 15 volt below ground to empty the gate. The shut of times are unreal.
On times can be as fast as the driver allows i think 50 microseconds or something.
But you might also be looking at a complete rework of the whole circuit if you do that.

Matt

You cannot get a square wave with caps?

[Dupe]

Cap discharging

@ Mathew Jones,

Your replies are spot on Mat, and as you say working on the basis of discharging at around 3 sec intervals really makes little difference to the stored energy when dumped into the load at that rate, The CR network denotes the rate of discharge as you have already pointed out. I have experimented myself with cap discharge circuits in the passed, some batteries work better than others which depends on what the circuit output see's (impedance)
I currently use inductive pulse circuits but would have to use some rather large inductors to charge lead acid 12v deep cycle batteries quickly. I charge my 14v NiCad drill battery using this type of circuit which lasts much longer between charges compared with a standard charger, not to mention it charges quicker.
Regards Dupe

[BroMikey]

Opto's

Again let me stress the significance of a circuit that produces a sawtooth wave shape. I this simple wave a transistor or Mosfet is turned off with a resistor. This is a crude way to turn off a Fet and produces this wave form.

Notice the cap dumps in a very short time and all of the wasted time after it fully discharges.

optowaveform.JPG

Very poor management by comparison to a state of the art drivers ability to turm off the Fet or transistor.

It is my understanding that a sawtooth wave shape is a starting point for beginners.

Opto's can turn on faster than 1 ms say a normal speed of 100uS or less and this is fast.

It is the turn off time that we are concerned with here in order to come out of the beginners box. Turning off a fet or transistor is the point.

Does anyone see all of the wasted time in the diagram and do you realize that the after the cap is done discharging that the Fet does not shut off for three times a long as it is open?????????????

Anybody?

To get past a sawtooth wave shape will take some doing.

Yes it makes a difference. When ole Bruce Lee struck his boards his unidirectional impulse was fast in and fast out. This is where the extra energy is realized.

Everything matters.

Talk to me guys.

Mike