Tesla's Wireless Power Transmission

[dR-Green]

Where does the confusion come from? Tesla clearly states

95 percent in the current that goes through the earth. That is what I am doing.

But Meyl says he is receiving through his "antennas" (through the air). What's more he claims to be able to shield the (so-called "electromagnetic") transmission with his hand near the "antenna", completely ignoring the effects of self-capacitance and resonance.

So where he's going wrong is very clear, and his excuses have been demonstrated above to be obsolete.

Meyl also proposes to measure a velocity with total disregard for distance travelled, which defies the concept of velocity to begin with.

[dR-Green]

Exactly my point in this video:

This is the day that people will remember as "the day that dR-Green and Ernst agreed on something"!



Ernst.

Exactly, and like Meyl says himself over 1000 universities and businesses and whatever have purchased his kits, and yet none of them see it, so it makes you wonder what they're all up to. If that's what they call science then they're all hopeless!

[boguslaw]

“The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.”


― Nikola Tesla

Is the world INSANE ?

[Ben2503]

Where does the confusion come from? Tesla clearly states



But Meyl says he is receiving through his "antennas" (through the air). What's more he claims to be able to shield the (so-called "electromagnetic") transmission with his hand near the "antenna", completely ignoring the effects of self-capacitance and resonance.

So where he's going wrong is very clear, and his excuses have been demonstrated above to be obsolete.

Meyl also proposes to measure a velocity with total disregard for distance travelled, which defies the concept of velocity to begin with.

So how does this work then? Tesla is very mysterious about it.
If 95% is transmitted thru the ground, what is then the purpose of the antenna? Why bother to build such a big tower, If like Tesla claims, the total loses of transport thru the ground are just 1%?

[dR-Green]

So how does this work then? Tesla is very mysterious about it.
If 95% is transmitted thru the ground, what is then the purpose of the antenna? Why bother to build such a big tower, If like Tesla claims, the total loses of transport thru the ground are just 1%?

There is no antenna. The elevated structure/terminal/mast/tower is a capacitance terminal which forms a virtual ground and "stores" the energy as opposed to radiating it from a wire or rod of small capacity, the energy is then reflected back down through the coil and into the earth (and presumably back up again if the entire system is resonant). Hence the "high voltage" terminal becomes the neutral and is of no practical use for such transmission, and the earth becomes the live terminal, hence when you have a receiver on the other side of the planet, transmitter and receiver are connected to the same conductor. In this way the "wireless" is basically a single wire transmission system.

That's why Meyl's demonstration works when he has a wire connecting both coils instead of the earth (and stops working when he disconnects it). He could take his coils a thousand miles apart and it would still work if he's using the wire, when he will be foolishly claiming miraculous transmission efficiency based on his presumption that the energy is transmitted through the air.

Like it says in the first post

This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor, and one which is incomparably more perfect than any artificial one. All impediments of conduction arise from confinement of the electric and magnetic fluxes to narrow channels. The globe is free of such cramping and hinderment. It is an ideal conductor because of its immensity, isolation in space, and geometrical form. Its singleness is only an apparent limitation, for by impressing upon it numerous non-interfering vibrations, the flow of energy may be directed through any number of paths which, though bodily connected, are yet perfectly distinct and separate like ever so many cables. Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.

Varying distance between transmitter and receiver earth terminals varies amount of power received. The coils themselves are not moved, and yet the amount of received power varies.

Tesla Wireless Power Transmission Colorado Springs Style - YouTube

Not to mention I void another of Meyl's explanations by both "shielding" the so-called antennas with my body between the coils which has no effect whatsoever, but then I'm able to do what Meyl calls "shield" it by placing my hand near the terminal and affect the output just like he shows. Two contradictory effects according to Meyl shown simultaneously under the same conditions. How curious!

[BroMikey]

Yes Men

“The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.”


― Nikola Tesla

Is the world INSANE ?

I don't think a peer pressure driven personality can make sane choices and most people today are controlled by group think. So the answer can only be no.

On the other hand when men like Tesla and others find the their discoveries are in contradiction to current thought they seek to help those they can to see more clearly.

Very very few men like this.

Mike

[Ernst]

Hi Ernst
Now I am even more confused. If I hook-up my audio generator to a speaker, I can produce any tone I want. Same applies for organs, violins, rubbing the rim of a glass etc.. I don't need a certain suddenness to produce the sound waves, you do need to move your hands fast enough (speed of sound?) in order to build up the pressure, Similar to the movement of a loudspeaker.

Best regards,
Ben

If you would like to produce a musical A you would need to move your hand 440 times to the front and back (or sideways) per second. Even if you would have the muscular strength you would break your bones trying.
But this is not what I meant. Your audio generator can produce sound in air and, similar to this, a radio antenna can produce waves in the ether.
But these radio waves do not possess the power to induce electrical charge in metal objects (though they can produce oscillations in the charge that is already there).
Now what is the difference between waves that can induce charge and waves that can not?
To induce charge you will need the suddenness that I mentioned of at least 1 TV/s.
This suddenness can be produced in two ways:
- just raise the amplitude until the highest rate of change in your wave exceeds this level. Compare to raising the volume on your amplifier.
- by super imposing a number of waves. This happens (audio wise) in breaking the sound barrier or in detonation of high order explosives. A nuclear bomb does this thing both in air (a shock wave that will wipe out an entire city), and in the ether (an EMP that will fry most electronic devices).
The first method requires a lot of power, the second collects power over a time period, much like pushing a nail into the wall or hitting it with a hammer.

What Meyl shows has absolutely nothing to do with inducing charge through an EMP (or scalar wave).
I guess your other questions are answered already?

Ernst.

[indio007]

check Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents -- Chapter IV

Thx, there is a lot of good information in there. Hard to believe he knew things that are just being verified now.

[Ben2503]

Los?

There is no antenna. The elevated structure/terminal/mast/tower is a capacitance terminal which forms a virtual ground and "stores" the energy as opposed to radiating it from a wire or rod of small capacity, the energy is then reflected back down through the coil and into the earth (and presumably back up again if the entire system is resonant). Hence the "high voltage" terminal becomes the neutral and is of no practical use for such transmission, and the earth becomes the live terminal, hence when you have a receiver on the other side of the planet, transmitter and receiver are connected to the same conductor. In this way the "wireless" is basically a single wire transmission system.

That's why Meyl's demonstration works when he has a wire connecting both coils instead of the earth (and stops working when he disconnects it). He could take his coils a thousand miles apart and it would still work if he's using the wire, when he will be foolishly claiming miraculous transmission efficiency based on his presumption that the energy is transmitted through the air.

Like it says in the first post



Varying distance between transmitter and receiver earth terminals varies amount of power received. The coils themselves are not moved, and yet the amount of received power varies.

Tesla Wireless Power Transmission Colorado Springs Style - YouTube

Not to mention I void another of Meyl's explanations by both "shielding" the so-called antennas with my body between the coils which has no effect whatsoever, but then I'm able to do what Meyl calls "shield" it by placing my hand near the terminal and affect the output just like he shows. Two contradictory effects according to Meyl shown simultaneously under the same conditions. How curious!

Thanks mr Green for this clear explanation.I think I am beginning to understand, although I don't yet see how Tesla wanted to implement this on a airplane.

In this video, the 2 'towers' are in clear line of sight and the distance is changed by changing the 'ground path'. This does not eliminated the possible 'scalar wave' effects.
Please can you tell me at what frequency was this system operating and what was the efficiency?

Never mind Meyl. He is just trying to sell more of his models at € 1000 each.
Wouldn't it be fun if you and Ernst tuned your towers to the same frequency and made some transmissions and post a video on that?

[Ben2503]

Great Tutor.

I guess your other questions are answered already?

Ernst.

Not quite
Your a great tutor, but you keep confusing me, in a positive way, and triggering my curiosity.

Are you saying that exceeding the 1 TV/s causes breaking of the speed of light limit in the ether, analog to exceeding MACH 1 in the air?
That would result in a tremendous light flash, analog to the loud bang when going thru MACH 1?

Didn't Tesla stated that EM waves are longitudinal waves in the ether which makes sense because all waves in a medium are longitudinal. Transverse waves are alway on the boundaries of two different mediums.
So that means that a di-pole antenna is as inefficient as just a single string in the acoustic analogy. Thus Tesla uses antenna's with sufficient surface in his patents.
correct?

I have many more questions, I hope you don't mind.

[Ernst]

Thanks....

Are you saying that exceeding the 1 TV/s causes breaking of the speed of light limit in the ether, analog to exceeding MACH 1 in the air?
That would result in a tremendous light flash, analog to the loud bang when going thru MACH 1?

Almost. Nothing (no matter/mass anyway) can travel FTL as light speed is the fastest speed that ether can move (this is my personal interpretation, the 'true theory' says that it is the rate at which ether can oscillate). By such extreme suddenness you try to force the ether into behaviour that it can not display. This results that you stack-up waves on top of each other analogue to exceeding MACH 1.
It results in a very powerful electromagnetic pulse. But no light, because light requires a wavelength of 400-800 nm and a single pulse does not have a wavelength....
It is a shock wave.

Didn't Tesla stated that EM waves are longitudinal waves in the ether which makes sense because all waves in a medium are longitudinal. Transverse waves are alway on the boundaries of two different mediums.

Correct.

So that means that a di-pole antenna is as inefficient as just a single string in the acoustic analogy. Thus Tesla uses antenna's with sufficient surface in his patents.

I have not studied the efficiency of a dipole, perhaps someone else can answer that.
As for the second part... The large surfaces are usually large capacitances, made large to cause a large current (=charge displacement). This current then causes either an impulse through the ground or by making this wire thin it will radiate more of its energy through the air.
(so it is the wire that radiates, not the capacitance at the top)

(this is my interpretation of Tesla's work, and is consistent with my experiments. But others may have a different opinion, of course)

Ernst.

[boguslaw]

Not quite
Your a great tutor, but you keep confusing me, in a positive way, and triggering my curiosity.

Are you saying that exceeding the 1 TV/s causes breaking of the speed of light limit in the ether, analog to exceeding MACH 1 in the air?
That would result in a tremendous light flash, analog to the loud bang when going thru MACH 1?

Didn't Tesla stated that EM waves are longitudinal waves in the ether which makes sense because all waves in a medium are longitudinal. Transverse waves are alway on the boundaries of two different mediums.
So that means that a di-pole antenna is as inefficient as just a single string in the acoustic analogy. Thus Tesla uses antenna's with sufficient surface in his patents.
correct?

I have many more questions, I hope you don't mind.

Thank You. You are thinking clearly Additionally I may add that there is slight possibility to create transverse waves in homogenous medium... I believe it may solve some mystery...

[Ben2503]

Thank You. You are thinking clearly Additionally I may add that there is slight possibility to create transverse waves in homogenous medium... I believe it may solve some mystery...

Please enlighten us about transverse waves in a homogenous medium.

[dR-Green]

Thanks mr Green for this clear explanation.I think I am beginning to understand, although I don't yet see how Tesla wanted to implement this on a airplane.

In this video, the 2 'towers' are in clear line of sight and the distance is changed by changing the 'ground path'. This does not eliminated the possible 'scalar wave' effects.
Please can you tell me at what frequency was this system operating and what was the efficiency?

Never mind Meyl. He is just trying to sell more of his models at € 1000 each.
Wouldn't it be fun if you and Ernst tuned your towers to the same frequency and made some transmissions and post a video on that?

I don't know about aeroplanes, and as far as I know Tesla never mentions how that would work either. But what's observable is that energy is obtainable within the field of the coil, and then it fades away with distance as can be seen in most Tesla coil videos on youtube. But as the earth terminal is then approached, energy is obtainable once again. There's a detectable field that extends beyond the physical boundary of the earth within a certain radius around the transmitter's earth terminal, and such things as LEDs (with non-tuned detectors) can be powered with no physical contact to the earth. So perhaps when the conditions are right (and with a lot more power) and the whole earth is in resonance, then this field might extend an appreciable distance beyond the earth's surface.

What do you mean by "scalar wave effects"? Not being shieldable? Meyl puts his hand to try and block it, which wouldn't even block anything anyway but we'll ignore that, but I'm standing between the coils so according to Meyl's logic mine has even more shielding because my whole body is in the way, but it has no effect. Then I put my hand NEAR it which is what Meyl demonstrates, and I'm able to affect it due to my body capacitance affecting the coil's self capacitance which detunes it. This Meyl interprets to be "shielding". In reality, if both coils are connected to a conductor (earth or wire), then you can shield them as much as you like with proper metal screens overground, the energy is going under the shield, in this case like The Great Escape.

Efficiency in the case of the video was not good in terms of received power compared to transmitter primary input. Any other reasons aside, it's not possible to put random pieces of metal in the ground and expect 100% of the transmitted energy to be received at the other end. The underground portion is as important as what's overground and requires the same level of attention and work, which I have not done yet. Instead I was using pieces of scrap copper pipe. The frequency is 1800 kc.

[Ben2503]

no shielding

I don't know about aeroplanes, and as far as I know Tesla never mentions how that would work either. But what's observable is that energy is obtainable within the field of the coil, and then it fades away with distance as can be seen in most Tesla coil videos on youtube. But as the earth terminal is then approached, energy is obtainable once again. There's a detectable field that extends beyond the physical boundary of the earth within a certain radius around the transmitter's earth terminal, and such things as LEDs (with non-tuned detectors) can be powered with no physical contact to the earth. So perhaps when the conditions are right (and with a lot more power) and the whole earth is in resonance, then this field might extend an appreciable distance beyond the earth's surface.

What do you mean by "scalar wave effects"? Not being shieldable? Meyl puts his hand to try and block it, which wouldn't even block anything anyway but we'll ignore that, but I'm standing between the coils so according to Meyl's logic mine has even more shielding because my whole body is in the way, but it has no effect. Then I put my hand NEAR it which is what Meyl demonstrates, and I'm able to affect it due to my body capacitance affecting the coil's self capacitance which detunes it. This Meyl interprets to be "shielding". In reality, if both coils are connected to a conductor (earth or wire), then you can shield them as much as you like with proper metal screens overground, the energy is going under the shield, in this case like The Great Escape.

Efficiency in the case of the video was not good in terms of received power compared to transmitter primary input. Any other reasons aside, it's not possible to put random pieces of metal in the ground and expect 100% of the transmitted energy to be received at the other end. The underground portion is as important as what's overground and requires the same level of attention and work, which I have not done yet. Instead I was using pieces of scrap copper pipe. The frequency is 1800 kc.

Hi.
I agree with you that Meyl's claim is bogus, in order to see the 'shielding effect' the 'shield' needs to be much larger than the length of the applied wave. The wavelength at 1.8 MHz is 211 meters!

With the two towers so close to each other, i don't think you can eliminate the RF air part. Also, I believe that Tesla's idea was to make the coupling between the two towers resonant as well. So perhaps you have to adjust your frequency slightly?