Robert Kurpa's Firestorm Plugs

[p10e]

Hmmm

I'm not convinced that the stainless mesh is producing large quantities of hho. It could be that the pump is actually pressurising the line and drawing vapor off the generator. I think the lighting of that much gas would have more of a reaction. Not that I've tried or would try to ignite the gas for a visual.

[rickoff]

Reply to Antiquer

Hi Antiquer,

I would probably buy the Firestorm plugs to try them out if they were available, although they may be very expensive initially. I am already using a Hydrogen booster, though, so I am probably already achieving improved gas combustion similar to what the Firestorm plugs would give me if I was using gasoline only. The Hydrogen ignites instantaneously, so the Firestorm plug won't improve on Hydrogen burn, and therefore may only offer me a slight improvement overall. The dual anode plug conversion I spoke of in my earlier post is not a project that I plan to undertake, as I already have a full plate to contend with, but thought I would mention it in case anyone was interested. As I said before, the prototype could certainly be improved upon. Preparing the old plugs for the conversion would be the easiest part, and no cost involved. A lot of us probably have an old set of spark plugs laying around - I know that I do. I wouldn't use common epoxy if I were doing the conversion. Instead, I would use a ceramic adhesive such as Resbond 919, which will withstand temperatures to 2800F degrees while maintaining exceptionally high electrical resistance. I also feel that compression stroke back pressure could be controlled without much difficulty by using a quality backflow checking device. If you scroll to the end of the pdf document that I linked to, you will see that the author also shows a solid center anode design for those not desiring water injection through the plug. I do think that this direct water injection method would be the most efficient way to use water as an only fuel source, and it is certainly an improvement over Sir9's method for utilizing water only fuel in his 350 cubic inch Chevy V8. Incidentally, there is an excellent document fully explaining Sir9's method of achieving 300 mpg on water only which can be found at: sdch2o.free.fr/vrac/Sir9-Plasma-Steam-Engine.doc Yes, an inverter would be required for the modification, but then a lot of people are using an inverter to power a Boyce cell and still requiring some amount of gasoline. And I don't think you are going to be able to utilize the Firestorm plugs to full advantage without making some modifications and adjustments. I agree with Jetijs that a plasma plug could operate a vehicle with a Joe Cell on air alone, and Joe has said that the cell wouldn't even be needed if the right circuitry was employed. For an idea on achieving this, read Thomas C Kramer's document titled, "The Tesla-Gray Plasma Engine." www.thejoecell.com/files/The_Tesla_Plasma_Engine.doc

Best regards, Rickoff

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Ricoff
I agree with what you are saying in principal. Could not open your links but this firestorm concept does look like a possible solution to current issue surrounding the energy problem facing the free world...

Like the late 70's our country lack of direction with energy has left our lifeblood in the hands of our enemy's...

Consequently we turn to the Edisons, Teslas of our time to develope or improve solutions to the problems facing the free world. This spark technology combined with better coils and gas systems is part of the answer.

Atomic, Wind, Solar, Hydro, and other alternative energy systems offer a way to escape the traditional bonds of Oil dependence that beckons to the ancient testimony of the foolish virgins. Let us keep the lights burning by the discovery's that are available to us.

W

[Aaron]

machining wizards

Could any of the mechanical engineering wizards comment if they think they can duplicate this plug and what it would take? Is it as easy as it looks? The machining isn't my area but it looks a lot simpler than doing some of these motors and cells. Any comments?

[rosco1]

Aaron

Could any of the mechanical engineering wizards comment if they think they can duplicate this plug and what it would take? Is it as easy as it looks? The machining isn't my area but it looks a lot simpler than doing some of these motors and cells. Any comments?

Which plug are you referring to? The Firestorm?

I've duplicated and tested it, both with single earth strap and duel earth straps.

What can I say, it worked much better than a standard "J" gapped plug.

I have videos of the events posted on a site elsewhere, let me know if you wish to see them. It has to be remembered though, my tests were not conducted under pressure and the display isn't as graphic under those conditions.

I may attempt to remove the viewing window in the pressure cell and "build" the plug inside the chamber that way, then reseal the window, and pressurise it. I simply haven't bothered with it as I already know it works from the open air tests.

I've been tied up with testing the Brisk Premium LGS plug lately. The Brisk plug is the best alternative to the Firestorm at this time, at least until we finally see the Firestorms long awaited release.

The temperature variations Robert Krupa allude to with his Firestorm are a little higher than what I am seeing from the Brisk plug, but that's to be expected as they're simply not the same type of plug.

The combustion chamber temperature reductions are there, in the form of exhaust gas temps, cylinder head temps, and the spark plug shell temps. All the readings I've taken fully support the figures that are mentioned with Firestorm, yet are still behind them, as I expected them to be.

I've posted the test results elsewhere online too, again, just let me know if you wish to see them.

[Aaron]

Firestorm Duplication

Hi Rosco,

Yes, specifically on the Firestorms.

I absolutely would LOVE to see any videos, pics and anything else you could share about your duplication.

It sounded like Robert Krupa also had to use a modified ignition system for optimum results? Or was it just a high power conventional ignition system? Or none of the above?

[rosco1]

Plug tests

Hi Rosco,

Yes, specifically on the Firestorms.

I absolutely would LOVE to see any videos, pics and anything else you could share about your duplication.

It sounded like Robert Krupa also had to use a modified ignition system for optimum results? Or was it just a high power conventional ignition system? Or none of the above?

Here is a link to "my shed" on oldholden.com, this will get you to the vids.

The engine used to shoot these vids had just a basic HEI ignition, and the power feed to that unit is likely in need of an upgrade, but it suited my purpose to use it at that time. I've since switched to another engine with a well sorted ignition, yet have only pictures and no vids at this time.

Spark plug indexing

Remember, these were open air tests, and only the colours of the actual sparks should be taken into consideration. You will see where the spark remains blue in colour with a standard "J" gapped plug(1.5mm gap) at idle speed and at 2500rpm, then you will see the colour change with the prototype plug(.30thou gap) at the same engine speeds.

Apologies for the poor quality vids, as it was only the colour aspects of the spark that I was trying to capture at that time, due to the lack of an actual pressure test cell. I wanted to see if the colour went "into the white".

Be patient with the vids too, as they take a little while to open.

I've since acquired a proper pressurised testing cell and have yet to video what occurs under pressure, however I've showed quite a few people what happens when the spark is pressurised, and I guess I should take some video of this and post it accordingly.

You shouldn't need to upgrade your HEI ignition system, I haven't. A standard HEI ignition was used in the later tests, the results of which can be found at the bottom of that page, just click on the blue "no thumbnail" link and it will give you a download option, where you can see the actual temperature readings that were recorded on the day, as well as other relative information.

**You should also disregard the vids where I used the "intensifier" as I had the gap dialled in too close and it never really did what I hoped. I now know that I had too small a gap in place, and I've since re-tested it with a wider gap, but again, have yet to video the results.

I now plan to go to the next level and fit a set of Nology leads, which will again increase spark output, likely by a similar amount to what I realised with the fitting of the Brisk plugs.

[deggers]

Re:Plug Tests

Hi Rosco1,
In all of the testing that you did, were you using resistor or non-resistor plugs?
The wires, too?

Thanks!
Duane

[rosco1]

Plugs and leads

Hi Rosco1,
In all of the testing that you did, were you using resistor or non-resistor plugs?
The wires, too?

Thanks!
Duane

Hi Duane,

I initially modified a Bosch Super RO 9 868 as I had a bunch of them left over from tuneups of the engines I use here.

After noticing leakage between the semisphere that I'd fitted(a cutdown domed nail head)and the plug base, I hunted around in the garage and found a plug with a longer electrode, being the Champion V12YX. This alleviated the leakage as it allowed my semisphere to sit quite a bit higher off the plug base.

I could have trimmed down the outside diameter of the semisphere to reduce the leakage, but it was far quicker just to modify the longer electrode plug.

I'm not sure as to the resistor aspect. I never bothered looking at that, for I figured I'd just see what happened when modifying the actual plugs that I've been using, just to see if a difference could be observed.

These are just your average standard type spark plugs, not performance orientated or anything.

The tests conducted on the engine in the videos are done with 8mm silicon leads, just your typical off the shelf leads, nothing special.

That engine is well worn too(400K+klm), the only thing deviating away from standard is the distributor, which is a Chev type HEI, coil in cap style, modified at the factory to fit the type of engines we commonly use here in Australia.

The point to the whole exercise was only to determine if the gains stated by the inventor had merit.

Of course I can go further with it, but I fail to see what good that would do, given that I did see a marked increase in performance of the plug with my simple modification.

The temperature tests that are linked to that other post see a different engine being tested, same type of V8 engine, just 59 cubic inches larger in capacity, yet built for very high performance operation.

This engine uses 9mm Eagle silicon leads, which are just a bit better than a normal silicon lead. It also runs a big cap Bosch HEI distributor, which is standard apart from being regraphed to suit the camshaft and associated performance modifications. The coil is a standard HEI type oil filled 50-55,000 volt number, just the same as what you run on any HEI from the factory.

Since I've now fitted the Brisk HOR15LGS plugs to the high performance engine, my plan is to upgrade the leads to the Nology Hotwire leads, thereby gaining an even better spark output.

If you viewed the temperature reductions in the indexing tests, you will understand what I'm chasing here. Robert Krupa says he saw a 100 degree combustion chamber temperature drop, the tests I did clearly show that I'm getting down closer to where he got.

There is no way to duplicate what he did, not without the Firestorm plugs, but rather than wait for their release, I'm opting to go for the next best plug at this time, being the Brisk Premium LGS.

Clearly the temperatures dropped markedly by indexing the standard plugs, then dropped again when swapped out for the Brisks, so by going to the Nology leads, I expect to see another temperature reduction.

This will have to do until the Firestorms are made available.

[Aaron]

firestorm duplication

Thanks Rosco!

First time I've seen any real attempt to replicate the Firestorms. All I could see were the pics because the video plugin wouldn't work for firefox. I'll try later on with IE.

[deggers]

This and that

Thanks Rosco for all the info!

I'm not very knowledgeable on the different spark plugs that you mentioned.

I know that Champion used to use the letter R on the beginning of a part number to designate a resistor plug. I've never actually tried measuring the resistance from the electrode to the top of the plug, so I'm not even sure what a resistor plug would measure. I should grab a meter.

Aaron, a far as watching the videos, they are mjpg. I also could not get any of the videos to play in the browser. What did work was an older version of winamp and the old windows media player 6.4xxx. (mplayer2.exe on xp machines). You will most likely also need a proper video codec. A good place for these is free-codecs.com. I can't tell you exactly which codec it is using, because my machine has had so many different ones installed. I'm sorry I can't recommend a single codec, and I don't want you to install the all-in-one packs because they install a lot of stuff. They do have a mjpeg codec, which would probably be a good place to start. Sorry for the long post on codecs.

I'm going to go measure some plugs!

Duane

I checked a few plugs and they were all resistor plugs, ranging from 2k ohms to 33k ohms. I am pretty sure that the Firestorms are not resistor plugs.

[rosco1]

no codecs required

Thanks Rosco for all the info!

I'm not very knowledgeable on the different spark plugs that you mentioned.

I know that Champion used to use the letter R on the beginning of a part number to designate a resistor plug. I've never actually tried measuring the resistance from the electrode to the top of the plug, so I'm not even sure what a resistor plug would measure. I should grab a meter.

Aaron, a far as watching the videos, they are mjpg. I also could not get any of the videos to play in the browser. What did work was an older version of winamp and the old windows media player 6.4xxx. (mplayer2.exe on xp machines). You will most likely also need a proper video codec. A good place for these is free-codecs.com. I can't tell you exactly which codec it is using, because my machine has had so many different ones installed. I'm sorry I can't recommend a single codec, and I don't want you to install the all-in-one packs because they install a lot of stuff. They do have a mjpeg codec, which would probably be a good place to start. Sorry for the long post on codecs.

I'm going to go measure some plugs!

Duane

I checked a few plugs and they were all resistor plugs, ranging from 2k ohms to 33k ohms. I am pretty sure that the Firestorms are not resistor plugs.

It's much easier just to download the vids in their original format, which is Windows Media Player, failing that, they do open in the posted format, it just takes a while for each to get going due to the servers used by the host site. Wait a minute or so, they do open.

For the amount of time you're going to take testing the the ohm rates, you can just as fast whip up a replica plug yourself, I think mine took me about 10-15 minutes per plug.

Just use a pair of pliers and bend the "J" strap a few times until it snaps off, then grind down any burrs left behind. Find something suitable to use as the semisphere and cut that down and attach it. I used craft wire as the grounds/earths, which I later learned was Robert Krupa's method too.

Make sure the outside diameter of the semisphere is not too close to the base of the plug or it will just keep shorting through there. This is why I opted to use the longer electrode Champion plug. It was too hard to trim down the semisphere.

There was no "R" on the Champion, it was a V12YX.

The grounds will leak big time if not attached securely to the plug base, so I suggest using a simple hose clamp to attach them. If you don't bother attaching them, the light show is pretty impressive. That light show really says it all with regard to what's happening when adding more earth to the spark.

Prior to fitting the grounds, just bend them around the "neck" of the plug, this will give you a nice even diameter, insert them into the hose clamp that's loosely attached to the base, measure a rough gap betwen the semisphere and the grounds, then tighten the clamp.

Your done. Have fun.

[Aaron]

How to Make Plasma Plugs

This document shows you how to make your own plasma plugs based on the patent.

Please download
http://www.esmhome.org/library/rober...lasmaplugs.pdf

NOTE: These plugs are patented so everyone knows only Robert Krupa can do anything commercial with them, please respect this and I have no doubt that everyone here does.