COP 20.0 (2000%) Demonstration

[SilverToGold]

Hi Spokane1,

Again, thanks for the report. Was the demo unit the same as the one in the main video for this thread? Or was it the one with Paul's switching? (Which is more complex)

Just curious - as I can understand how the unit with Paul's switching would be harder to back engineer. But the original unit that Jim built was just simple MOSFET switching and not complex at all. Though I hear Jim and Paul talking about the marriage of Paul's switching with Jim's SERPS tech as a dream marriage.... the truth as I see it is that the original SERPS seemed to work just fine with simple MOSFET switches. So I think I'd go that route.

I think there may be some misconception in the ns timing because I've seen Paul's video for his motor and that's what he needed for his torus motor machine.... but I really don't think that it applies to the 60 Hz line of the reactive power unit. Looking at the scope shot, there is a period (roughly 1/240 s) where the caps charge/discharge. So ns timing being required seems rather improbably to get this machine to work.

Thanks again for your report Spokane1, it has been informative!

[Aaron]

serps switching

Again, thanks for the report. Was the demo unit the same as the one in the main video for this thread? Or was it the one with Paul's switching? (Which is more complex)

Just curious - as I can understand how the unit with Paul's switching would be harder to back engineer. But the original unit that Jim built was just simple MOSFET switching and not complex at all. Though I hear Jim and Paul talking about the marriage of Paul's switching with Jim's SERPS tech as a dream marriage.... the truth as I see it is that the original SERPS seemed to work just fine with simple MOSFET switches. So I think I'd go that route.

I think there may be some misconception in the ns timing because I've seen Paul's video for his motor and that's what he needed for his torus motor machine.... but I really don't think that it applies to the 60 Hz line of the reactive power unit. Looking at the scope shot, there is a period (roughly 1/240 s) where the caps charge/discharge. So ns timing being required seems rather improbably to get this machine to work.

The demo was Paul's replication using his switching. The COP 20 demo vid I showed was Jim's own build I believe using mosfets. It 'can' work with mosfets but they're less than ideal - can't really hold up to my understanding and that is why Paul's switching is like a match made in heaven.

With 60hz circuit ac frequency and 4-5ns switching time, it is easy to select EXACTLY where in that AC cycle to take or give power. The faster the switching, the more precise that can be done so actually has a practical use for that switching speed.

[hartiberlin]

Hi , did any body take a few videos with their Smartphones at the conference ? Did not see anything posted to Youtube yet..
Or was it forbidden to make Videos at the conference ?
Too bad this technology was not made Open Source...
well maybe a kickstarter or gofundme project would have been better to fund this technology instead of using patents ?

[Mario]

Hi Aaron and all,

I have not been at the conference, but I would like to honestly know what is going on and what has been shared.
In one of the presentation videos Jim in the end states that people's first thought shouldn't be to run to the patent office, but that we should share the information (or something like this). Now, keeping this in mind I would like an honest answer. Has enough of the concepts been explained and shared in order for this to be replicated or not? Does he say when to take power and give it back?

regards,
Mario

[BroMikey]

What's under the plastic boxes?

Hi , did any body take a few videos with their Smartphones at the conference ? Did not see anything posted to Youtube yet..
Or was it forbidden to make Videos at the conference ?
Too bad this technology was not made Open Source...
well maybe a kickstarter or gofundme project would have been better to fund this technology instead of using patents ?

Yes true because these guys might be in their 80's when the Patent Office decides to issue them one. However John Bedini has many Patents so maybe they know how to get this through.

We must always remember that if an energy device is found to be over 4X the Fed's may come running and that means that those guys can tell you what you can and cannot do.

3-4X is still plenty to work with. And very few if any has made THAT into a practical unit capable of running a home.

Mike

[Spokane1]

Videos at the Conference

Hi , did any body take a few videos with their Smartphones at the conference ? Did not see anything posted to Youtube yet..
Or was it forbidden to make Videos at the conference ?

Dear hartiberlin,

There were cameras and video cameras in abundance all three days. As I understand it the policy was that video's and flash photos could not be taken during presentations. These were to be recorded and sold in the coming months through A&P publications.

There was no limit for photos or videos between presentations, in the display room, the bar area, or the lunch room. The SERPS device was on display for two whole days (Saturday and Sunday) in the display room.

I'm surprised (like you are) that there is not a plethora of YouTube videos on this device being uploaded. There were about 130 attendees and about 20speakers, plus all the support staff.

Last year there were at least three YouTube ad hock interviews made. I suspect there were others as well. I thought for sure that this new technology would be splashed all over the Internet by now.

Spokane1

[yaro1776]

Hey Spokane 1,

I did sit next to you at the conference, but somehow with all that was going on never really communicated. Anyway, thanks for your insights into the SERPS device - very informative on a subject matter that is just a bit over my level of technical competence but not understanding. I get the picture as to what is being accomplished.

I took many pictures at the conference and also some videos. The videos are not overly informative and as a result I have not posted. I will review the videos again and see if indeed it is worth the effort to post them. The SERPS video is a bit disjointed with all the people crowded around Jim and Paul in the side demo room.

Best to all,
Yaro

[hartiberlin]

Many thanks for the info.
Well anyway, just post the raw video clips on Youtube.

Would love to see them.
With the Youtube Video editor you can also very easily do slidehows of pictures.

No need for a fancy video editor program anymore.

Hopefully some other people will also upload their footage.
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

[Aaron]

Jim Murray and Paul Babcock

Stefan and all,

Here are a few pics from Jim Murray and Paul Babcock's presentation on the SERPS showing COP 50.0 (5000%) - Jim Murray & Paul Babcock SERPS COP 50.0 (5000%) Presentation | 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference

[hartiberlin]

Many thanks Aaron for posting these pictures !
The one with the scopeshots was a real eye opener...

I posted my comments here:

COP 20.00 (2000%) Times, Reactive Power Energy Source Generator,

Hope you were this time not loosig money with your conference as last year ?
Will buy this upcoming video for sure.

Many thanks again for organizing such a great conference, must have been
a lot of work to prepare and set this all up !

Congratulations !

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

Any other videos yet from the
display room, the bar area, or the lunch room
from other attendies ?
Please post them to Youtube and post the links here.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

In the new Babcock-Murray Serps circuit presented at the Bedini 2014 conference
the actual line input AC voltage is regular 60 Hz sine wave.

They did not publish this in the first left scopeshot, cause that would have given the
timing away...but the comparison of both scopeshots gives it away anyway, so that is why I wrote
it was an eye opener...

I think I know now, how it is working.
I pondered all day long now about it.

Imagine a sine 60 Hz wave input.
One cycle is 0 to 360 degrees.

It seems they just charge 2 caps in parallel via the lamps load from 30 to 90 degrees from the line voltage.
After this they electronically disconnect the 2 caps and put them in series
and at around 100 degrees , they discharge the 2 series caps back to the line voltage versus the lamps again to about 160 degrees.
This way they have double the sine peak voltage to be able to discharge the 2 series caps and drive negative current back to the grid
through the lamps !

Then the same thing happens for the negative half wave of the sine wave.

At around 210 degrees the 2 caps are again switched in Parallel into the line voltage via the lamps in series and charged
until around 270 degrees up to the peak voltage of the 60 Hz sine wave.
Then at 280 degrees, the 2 caps are put in series and again discharged via the lamps back to the grid until around 340 degrees.
So again energy is returned to grid via the lamps as the load.

It is basically a very easy circuit, but you have to have the right timing and the right load impedance (lamp resistace in this case),
so that the areas in the input power MATH trace above and
below the ground line are about equal.

So you minimize the real active input power and try to get the aparent input power
the same as the reactive input power. If you get it right, you will only have reactive input power
and almost no Real active input power. Thus a COP of about 50 as they have shown at the conference can be real !

Great circuit !

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

From the scopeshots you can also see, that the timing is 5 milliseconds/DIV and
that one cycle is about 16.6 milliseconds long, which is exactly 60 Hz AC !
So they are just using the normal 60 Hz sine wave from the grid, probably via
a Variac or isolating transformer, so that is why they wrote the label on the scopeshot
as Transformer output.
But they meant the input power from the grid...

Regards, Stefan.

[BroMikey]

Take then give

In the new Babcock-Murray Serps circuit presented at the Bedini 2014 conference
the actual line input AC voltage is regular 60 Hz sine wave.

They did not publish this in the first left scopeshot, cause that would have given the
timing away...but the comparison of both scopeshots gives it away anyway, so that is why I wrote
it was an eye opener...

I think I know now, how it is working.
I pondered all day long now about it.

Imagine a sine 60 Hz wave input.
One cycle is 0 to 360 degrees.

It seems they just charge 2 caps in parallel via the lamps load from 30 to 90 degrees from the line voltage.
After this they electronically disconnect the 2 caps and put them in series
and at around 100 degrees , they discharge the 2 series caps back to the line voltage versus the lamps again to about 160 degrees.
This way they have double the sine peak voltage to be able to discharge the 2 series caps and drive negative current back to the grid
through the lamps !

Then the same thing happens for the negative half wave of the sine wave.

At around 210 degrees the 2 caps are again switched in Parallel into the line voltage via the lamps in series and charged
until around 270 degrees up to the peak voltage of the 60 Hz sine wave.
Then at 280 degrees, the 2 caps are put in series and again discharged via the lamps back to the grid until around 340 degrees.
So again energy is returned to grid via the lamps as the load.

It is basically a very easy circuit, but you have to have the right timing and the right load impedance (lamp resistace in this case),
so that the areas in the input power MATH trace above and
below the ground line are about equal.

So you minimize the real active input power and try to get the aparent input power
the same as the reactive input power. If you get it right, you will only have reactive input power
and almost no Real active input power. Thus a COP of about 50 as they have shown at the conference can be real !

Great circuit !

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan

Thanks for this explanation. I would have never thought of that. I am very new to this field. The only circuits I have built are simple SG OSC circuits.

I noticed around the web that people are wondering why a battery with inverter was not selected to produce the 1 watt.

I think maybe it is like you are saying that the grid is needed and this circuit has been engineered to tap energy out of the grid and make it look like nothing happened.

I guess watt meters don't lie so I don't know how this circuit can get away with 50X while the meters show 1, other than what you just said.

Like I said I am very new to free energy schemes and at first glance I think many people think the same way. I think a few inventors were convicted on those charges but that doesn't mean they were actually stealing power, just that the invention needed to be stopped in their minds.

Now that you mentioned this taking and giving of power, I will have to give it some thought as to where this 50X is coming from.

Okay I am back and I think if they can't use a battery to get 1 watt from using a true sine wave inverter without it going dead then our answer is here already.

Some feel that the marriage conventional power with this new technology will look better to the ruling body and keep the inventors in one piece.

This is why so many inventor use solar panels and wind generators as input devices even if they are not used much.

So some of us wonder if this new device were disconnected from the grid and used batteries to tie in to the input, what would actually take place.

So these are the thoughts I had as a new man on the block.

Mike

[hartiberlin]

Hi Mike, the Wattmeter and the scope traces donīt lie !
Again look at the left lower red MATH trace.
It shows just reactive power going in ( only 1.1 Watts Active power)

You basically charge up 2 caps in parallel and discharge them in series
to the grid at the right timing.
So you take power and give power back with the right timing.


As you need only around 1 Watts of real input power, it is now easy to build
a 60 Hz sine wave oscillator only needing 1 Watts of input power and
use this to drive this Babcock Murrray circuit and then do a feedback circuit instead of the lamps
and get a selfrunning system.