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[TheoriaApophasis]

Funny I haven't seen any responses about how satellites stay in the sky.

because God allows it

[cikljamas]

Funny I haven't seen any responses about how satellites stay in the sky.

Haven't you indeed?

Post #217 - page 6:

Falsifying the Geosynchronous Satellite Concept

The rotating earth concept, however, is based entirely on assumptions which not only have never been observed by anyone who has ever lived, but which flatly contradict that which has always been observed by everyone who has ever lived.

Since that question has long been considered settled—and especially since Einstein’s relativity rescued Copernicanism from 20 years of deep trouble it was in—little thought if any is given to whether these satellites rotate geosynchronously with a rotating earth below. There they are right in the same spot any time you look. That is an observable fact. And we all know, don’t we, that the earth rotates; so, there can be only one conclusion, namely, the satellite revolves with it, right?

Wrong! The only fact in that concept is that the satellite is always overhead. We know this is a fact—a scientific truth--no one challenges...

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d) The ring of geostationary satellites now over the equator has very nearly the maximum permitted number of vacancies filled, i.e., 180 at 2 degrees apart. Because of this limited capacity, the rush is on to get “virtual geostationary satellites” with orbital apogees of 13-16000 miles along certain latitudes no closer than 15 degrees N and S (so as not to interfere with the geostationary ring). These are needed in order to overcome the 2 degree limitation and to augment the amount of information traffic that can be handled through the geostationary satellites.

This technologically exciting operation employs multiple satellites in highly eccentric orbits which are arrayed so that they only power-on when in their apogee arc that is closest to the geostats…. One of the characteristics of the orbits of this new “virtual geostationary satellite” invention actually contains proof that the geosynchronous concept is wrong!

What characteristic?! This: Their orbits can be clockwise OR counterclockwise… while all geostat orbits must be counterclockwise to match the alleged counterclockwise rotation of the earth.

How does that prove the geosynchronous concept is wrong?

It is noted that these “virtual geostat” constellations can make 2 and 3 and 4 orbits a day, and we find, for example, in the three-orbit-a-day model that “…each of the satellites [in the array] is enabled [turned on] near its apogee for a duration of four hours, which is 50% of its total orbit period”. It is further noted that this capability causes these “…satellites to appear to ‘hang’ in the sky because their angular velocity at or near apogee approximates the rotation rate of the earth” [at a given latitude]. (Ibid. p.5)

The point here is that this almost stationary, observable “hanging” satellite over a limited area would not be possible for those “virtual geostats” which are traveling in a clockwise orbit if the earth is rotating. This is obvious because the same observable “hanging” effect could not be produced by “virtual geostats” going in opposite directions over a rotating earth any more than the alleged counterclockwise moving geosynchronous satellites could produce the effect of “hanging” stationary if they were to turn around and go in a clockwise orbit. (Is a stentorian Eureka! in order here?!) (This may also disprove the goofy but necessary assumption that the earth’s atmosphere turns with its alleged rotation, adjusting its speed with every inch from the equator to the poles…and unaffected by an alleged orbital speed of 67,000 MPH.)

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e) The geostationary satellites have little propulsion jets on them for use now and then to get them back in place when they have moved a little bit. In the old days when one satellite conked out, they would move a good one in the direction of the bad one just far enough so that the traffic from both directions could still be handled. These were re-positionings within the circular geostationary ring that were done to maintain coverage and not to correct a problem within the ring itself. One such case involved a good satellite that was moved 675 miles. Neither it nor the bad one had gotten out of their assigned slots in the ring at 22.236 miles altitude. Both were observable overhead right where they were supposed to be at all times.

But note this: The good satellite was moved “…674.42 statute miles westward!—from 97.45 to 107.2 degrees W Longitude--over a period of 42 days at the precise speed of 16.06 MPDay.”. This maneuver was carried out based on “fixed earth” calculations according to a letter from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.[See: The Earth Is Not Moving (Part IV)]

Given the fact that this successful maneuver was predicated on a fixed earth without mentioning whether the satellite was also fixed in the calculations or whether it continued orbiting eastwardly at 6865 MPH, let us try that option and see what happens: Option #1: The earth is stopped from its alleged rotation and the good satellite and the bad one and all others continue their alleged eastwardly orbits. The propulsion jets slow the speed of the good satellite 16.06 MPDay for 42 days and when the good satellite has lost 675 miles in the 42 day slowdown it is now 675 miles closer to the bad satellite to its west and can handle its responsibilities. Perfect. The deed is done.

But wait…. There is no real model wherein the earth is fixed and the satellite orbits a stationary earth!! So, obviously, this option could not produce the required maneuver, and is ruled out. That leaves only Option #2: Again, the earth is stopped from its alleged rotation and is “fixed”. Along with the others in the ring, the good satellite is stopped in its alleged orbit and also becomes “fixed”. The propulsion jets move the now inert good satellite westward (as was actually done) at 16.06 MPDay for 42 days and it ends up 675 miles closer to the bad satellite than it was before, and the operation is complete. Perfect. The deed is done.

But wait again! This is a geocentric model!! It works and the other one doesn’t! The official admission that “a fixed earth” is required for a successful maneuver is true; but the satellite (and all the others in the ring) must also be fixed for it to work.[See: The Earth Is Not Moving (pp.260-264)]

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Five things are certain at this point: 1) The ultimate reason for insisting that these satellites are in geosynchronous orbit is based on the unproven and wholly vulnerable assumption that the earth is rotating; 2) This geosynchronous dogma is absolutely and totally sacrosanct to the entire theoretical science establishment now in control of the world’s “knowledge” [See: Knowledge Impact]; 3) If these satellites are not geosynchronous, then the earth is not rotating as the whole world has been led to believe; 4) That conclusion alone will cause the entire false science Idol to implode; 5) The Pharisee Religion’s Big Bang Paradigm of 15 Billion years of evolutionism [See: Kabbala 6]—and all the false science built on the Kabbala’s model of the Origin of the universe [See: Kab.Superstring]—will do the Humpty-Dumpty number…expressed in Biblical terms as The Fall of Babylon (Rev. 14:8; 17:14; 18: 2, 4,10; etc.).

So don’t be surprised when the hounds of hell are unleashed to prevent any serious threat to the rotating earth model, whether on this point about satellites or any other. It is a spiritual battle at bottom and it will be settled “one hour” after the GGG (Global Government Gangsters) get their briefcases open (Rev. 17:12, 14)

A note on GPS Satellites:

"The GPS satellites are not in geo-stationary orbit, but instead orbit twice every time the earth orbits once. This means that for any observer the satellites appear to orbit once overhead each day." (From: GPS Satellites: Wolfram Research)

Fact: #1 - We see and know they orbit overhead once a day.

Fact #2 - One orbit a day will produce Fact #1

Fact #3 - Two orbits are...and must be assumed because...

Fact #4 - The earth's rotation is assumed.

Fact #5 - Unproven assumptions that are required to explain phenomena that are readily explained without the assumptions constitute false science.

Fact #6 - One orbit a day around a stationary earth produces all the known behavior of GPS Satellites.

Fact #7 - Sans contra-scientific assumptions, GPS Satellite behavior proves a non-rotating earth.

@Ethan, you just have watched brand new episode of the series "because you asked for it", did you like it?

Satellites go above the Earth because the space above revolves, thus acting on satellites. You can even put a can of Coca Cola and make it a satellite.

Funny, we haven't seen any responses to this simple question posed (in post #337 - page 12) to great admirer of Copernicus, his heliocentric-round-triple motion majesty mr Ernst:

In order to be shifted for any degree with respect to the Earth (which is still in exactly the same geometrical position after alleged 6 month revolution around the Sun), all the stars have to turn around the fixed Earth.

The Polaris star is always stationary. The only way a point can remain stationary, is when both the observer and the point are stationary, or both move in unison. Since the other stars move in unison relative to the Earth, then both Polaris and Earth must be motionless!

IS IT SO OR IS IT NOT, AND IF IT IS NOT SO, THEN WHY IT IS NOT SO???

Shall we ever see any attempt to answer this question???

I can tell you right away: No, we will not see such an attempt, ever!!!

Should we add anything to this???

[TheoriaApophasis]

The rotating earth concept, however, is based entirely on assumptions which not only have never been observed by anyone who has ever lived,

What drugs are you on.


Or, rather, what drugs did you stop taking that you SHOULD be taking

The only way a point can remain stationary, is when both the observer and the point are stationary,

ABSOLUTE TOTAL 100% STINKING COW PLOP


you can roll 2 balls around the inverse sides of the inside of a bowl, from the point of BALL A, BALL B is stationary.

[Saros]

What drugs are you on.

Obviously, you have nothing else to say. Fine. However, the fact remains you haven't provided any meaningful evidence that you're correct.

Please stop repeating the rubbish explanation that the Earth is round because of magnetism as if it's fact. You can't possibly know if the Earth is round or not from personal experience. All your so-called 'knowledge' is based on believing the almighty authorities. There are people out there, however, who are skeptical and don't believe the official propaganda. You find this funny?

I guess when you see something on TV you believe it right away like a spineless sheep. Show some sign of critical thinking not just empty mockery. It won't be the first time people have been lied to, it is not even something unusual considering the significance of the problem at hand.

[TheoriaApophasis]

However, the fact remains you haven't provided any meaningful evidence that you're correct.
..

That applies to you son, .... Soo..........
the fact remains you haven't provided any meaningful evidence that you're correct.


And all the evidence on this SPHERICAL Earth says youre not wrong at all.....

rather dead and buried flat (LOL) out wrong.

Please stop repeating the rubbish explanation that the Earth is round because of magnetism as if it's fact. ..

In fact, its not a fact at all.......its a GIANT 800 pound Gorilla sitting your SKULL kind of FACT





Let me wise you up just a wee bit, Polarized = creates space = SPHERE = ALL MATTER / ATOMS in the Universe


" as if it's fact" , said the monkey

Show some sign of critical thinking
..

You mean like the person who thought outside of the box and was the first person on earth to fully figure out how a magnet / magnetism works, what it is, How/Why etc it works.

Dont pretend you know me son to call me an "inside the box" thinker, got that son?

[cikljamas]

ABSOLUTE TOTAL 100% STINKING COW PLOP

@ Flat Fish, i knew that you were going to bite that hook, and now that you are hooked and fastened try to answer to this if you can, you Flat Head:

Not only that nobody is (and never will be) able to answer to this question: What could be the possible cause for fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis?...but "fixed spatial orientation of the Earth's axis" is also the ultimate flaw in heliocentric theory, and now i am going to show you HOW and WHY:

Now, in which direction the Earth's axis is oriented at July 3th comparing it with January 3th? It's oriented in the same direction isn't it? You have to be aware that the so called celestial equator presents the same plane which cuts the Earth's "equator". That is to say that the Earth is really the center of the Stellatum. All stars are centered to the Earth, there is no doubt about that.

What we have to determine is HOW and WHY all stars shifts 180 degree at January 3th with respect to their position above the Earth at July 3th.

Heliocentrists assert that the 180 degree shift of all the stars with respect to the Earth happens due to for 180 degree (also) changed position of the Earth with respect to the Sun.

Now, we just don't care about the position of the Sun, because when we look up to the sky at midnight January 3th we see 180 degrees shifted stars with respect to their position which had been at midnight July 3th.

The Earth still stays in exactly the same geometrical position with respect to the allegedly fixed stars, the only difference is that the Earth has been moved straight forward (from the geometrical point of view) for certain amount of miles (negligible regarding position of practically endlessly distant stars (according to heliocentrist's dreams)) after she had allegedly bypassed the Sun making half a circle around it.

So, the Earth is in exactly the same geometrical position at midnight January 3th as it was at the midnight July 3th.

In order to be shifted for any degree with respect to the Earth (which is still in exactly the same geometrical position after alleged 6 month revolution around the Sun), all the stars have to turn around the fixed Earth.

IS IT SO OR IS IT NOT, AND IF IT IS NOT SO, THEN WHY IT IS NOT SO???

Flat Fish, now you are going to show to our prized audience how deaf, mute and plain dumb fish you really are, am i right? Of course i am right, as always....Come on flat head, say something...

Won't you tell us now that you have respiratory problems?

[Hrothgar]

Wow

"Satellites go above the Earth because the space above revolves, thus acting on satellites. You can even put a can of Coca Cola and make it a satellite. "

So why don't satellites get slung past the south pole or is the drag magically unidirectional? There also seems to be the satellites with near polar orbits how do they work? oh, oh, oh! don't forget to explain why there is no glare in photos from geosynchronous satellites when the sun 3000 miles distant to flat earth is between the earth and the satellite which is roughly 26,199 mi.

One more thing how do they keep the satellites from burning up when they launch one during the day?

[TheoriaApophasis]

Of course i am right, as always.

delusional. Pure and golden

[cikljamas]

"Satellites go above the Earth because the space above revolves, thus acting on satellites. You can even put a can of Coca Cola and make it a satellite. "

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

With above quote i attempted to avoid discussion on something that i don't know much about, but since it didn't work, i must now invest more of my precious energy and time (which is not (for) free) dealing with it furthermore.

Since i am not quite sure what to really think about satellites and bearing in mind that i have never carefully examined critical amount of evidences about that issue i can only suppose that the final truth about satellites lies somewhere between these assertions & possibilities:

1. Satellites are real and orbit above the Earth once a day at much lower altitudes (even main stream scientists admit that most satellites orbit in a lower (than 2000 km) orbits)

2. Satellites are real but stationary (I personally believe this is the most reasonable assumption) - These satellites should also hover at much lower altitudes than main stream maniacs would ever admit.

@ Saros, have you taken any further investigation on this:

IEEE Xplore Abstract - A low cost alternative for satellites- tethered ultra-high altitude balloons

3. There are no satellites.

It could be also very possible that both possibilities 1. & 2. are true, so that we have to take in account both: stationary (geosynchronous satellites), and non-stationary satellites...

However, since we are not here just to be at your service (answering to every possible request of yours), you should also take effort to answer to our questions, so before we resume our talk about satellites we have to get from you some straightforward answers to my long time ago posed (and since then several time repeated) question:

IS IT SO OR IS IT NOT, AND IF IT IS NOT SO, THEN WHY IT IS NOT SO???

@ Flat Fish, you are having trouble breathing INDEED! How did i know that? Well, it was really easy to guess what to expect from deaf and mute Flat Head like you... You should sink into the Earth with shame... But wait, you have never learned what that word "shame" really means... However you should sink into the Earth with shame (whatever you think that word could be for...)...

[cikljamas]

What is at stake here?

How unspeakably (more) soundly following words (written down 110 years ago) sound today:

There are many ministers of the Gospel,, some of whom I personally know, who teach. things contrary to Bible truth, but I refrain from giving names, trusting that they may yet repent. Indeed the mass of society is being leavened with the virus of dishonesty and infidelity, not only in this country, but throughout the world. The old landmarks are being rapidly removed; the very Deluge is repudiated by many. Our civilization is only a veneer. I have been informed that there are conventicles for the express worship of Satan both in London and Paris. Demonology and Witchcraft, of course under other names, are rampant. Men think them- selves very clever, but are duped on every hand. What Isaiah said of Israel may be applied to this corrupt and vainglorious age " The whole head is sick and the whole heart is faint. From the sole of the foot even unto the head, there is no soundness in it, but wounds and bruises and putrifying sores '' Isa. i. 5, 6. To show that I am using no exaggerated language, I beg to quote a few specimens out of the many which might be given.

" If Moses can be shown to be caught redhanded, in ignorance and error; what shall we think of the Christ who quoted and referred to him as an authority?"
Present Day Atheist.

" If it shall turn out that Joshua was superior to La Place, that Moses knew more about geology than Humboldt, that Job as a scientist was superior to Kepler, that Isaiah knew more than Copernicus, then I will admit that infidelity must become speechless for ever."
IngersolPs Tilt with Talmage.








How true is this saying which I learned sixty-seven years ago at the Edinboirgh Academy—a drop hollows a stone not by force but by often falling. So is it with regard to Modem Astronomy. Children are taught in their geography books, when too young to apprehend aright the meaning of such things, that the world is a great globe revolving around the Sun, and the story is repeated continuously, year by year, till they reach maturity, at which time they generally become so absorbed in other matters as to be indifferent as to whether the teaching be true or not, and, as they hear of nobody contradicting it, they presume that it must be the correct thing, if not to believe at least to receive it as a fact. They thus tacitly give their assent to a theory which, if it had first been presented to them at what are called " years of discretion," they would at once have rejected.

[aljhoa]

However, since we are not here just to be at your service (answering to every possible request of yours), you should also take effort to answer to our questions, so before we resume our talk about satellites we have to get from you some straightforward answers to my long time ago posed (and since then several time repeated) question:

IS IT SO OR IS IT NOT, AND IF IT IS NOT SO, THEN WHY IT IS NOT SO???

Master @cikljamas stop your loaded questions
which limit direct replies to those that serve your agenda and
answer "mine" questions previously posted.

Al

[cikljamas]

Al, you have got the answer: http://www.energeticforum.com/264125-post357.html

Regarding my argument and the fact that nobody has never even tried to face my challenge proves that nobody is capable of offering any reasonable answer to this argument, and it is quite understandable, because nobody won't to embarrass himself by trying to deny undeniable fact. This argument is so strong and so simple that i am going to insist on it over and over, until eventually every brainwashed zombie find some honesty in itself and enable himself for giving me due recognition. If you don't know how to put your misery into words i can help you. You should repent using these words:

Cikljamas, thank you very much for opening our imprisoned minds, your argument presents irrefutable proof against heliocentric theory which is nothing more than ultimate rubbish and insult to sanity, an assault on dignity of man, and utter offense to God.

I will let you know on time if i accept your repentance or not!

IS IT SO OR IS IT NOT, AND IF IT IS NOT SO, THEN WHY IT IS NOT SO???

[Hrothgar]

Dude, how is this energy related?

So how did the Polynesians, Samoans, Inuit, American Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Aztecs and any non family of Noah survive the great flood! Were they on the arc if so how did they get to the arc and then back home?

Who according to the bible can hermaphrodites marry?

If we love our children shouldn't we kill them when they are born to guaranty them a place in heaven before they know sin or should we remain selfish to try to get into heaven ourselves and leave our children's future to high hopes? If the later aren't we just worshiping for fear of punishment instead of the love of the good and righteousness? and if we are worshiping from fear what could ever come from infinite existence alongside an infinite number of cowards?
If God is omniscient then there can only be the illusion of free will. Yet free will is the very basis of why we see no clear undeniable presence of God, for we must choose of our own free will. If God is omniscient then every twist and turn of decision we make is known from the moment "there was light" and every soul to be there after that would have known hell never need to exist at all. So is god ignorant or a sadist?

Flat earth is the least of the screw-ups in the "good" book it was assembled by the roman empire from hand pick scriptures, They literally threw out some books that described what read like UFO encounters because they sounded too crazy.

I was raised baptist but fortunately I had more than two braincells to rub together!

PS you assume satellite orbit data? Pardon me while I open palm and insert face!

[TheoriaApophasis]

I was raised baptist but fortunately I had more than two braincells to rub together!

And NOW, youre an Atheist, which is even WORSE than a Creationist




So, 2 turned into 1

[cikljamas]

fortunately I had more than two braincells

Are you sure?





Now you should open your ass and pull out your brain...